I expect that Nash must have done their homework before matching and figured the worst case scenario where they lose half a season to a lockout..then miss the playoffs altogether. If not they are idiots and should have taken the 4 picks. But as you say, from the outside, I still have no idea how that match made sense. If he does get dealt, I highly doubt they trade him to us out of spite!
- Hextall271

Yeah I don't think Nashville plays in the sandbox with us for a long, long time... I think the offer sheet seriously tee'd them off.

Because of the offer sheet, I don't think the Preds are allowed to deal Weber until AFTER the season.
- johndewar

Understand. But, my guess is both the Flyers and Preds would like a redo on the entire negotiation.

Last year the idea floating around was that the Preds wanted a variation of Couturier, Schenn and a #1 in order to not match the offer.

I would have done the deal last year. I would do the deal today.

Weber is a candidate to be dealt. If Nashville misses the playoffs, dealing Weber becomes a very real consideration for them.

But the price of a number 1 Dman is steep and people need to get ready for some sticker shock.

Nick Leddy of the Hawks will be the #1 RFA puck moving Dman that can be offer sheeted this summer. The Hawks are squeezed badly on cap compression and something needs to give. So, would a team rather give up 2 or 3 first round picks or figure out a fair deal for Weber or Leddy.
- spatso

Are you sure in your thinking about Weber? By the time he can be traded, Nashville will have paid him the second $12 million bonus which is not recoverable.

Yeah I don't think Nashville plays in the sandbox with us for a long, long time... I think the offer sheet seriously tee'd them off.
- FlyersGrace

you know what tho, they invited that upon themselves. They drug weber through arbitration the year before and waited till we offersheeted him before either signing or trading him. If they didn't want all that to happen they should look in the mirror. Its like getting pissed off at your credit card company for having a late fee assessed to you after going three weeks late to pay.

Yeah I don't think Nashville plays in the sandbox with us for a long, long time... I think the offer sheet seriously tee'd them off.
- FlyersGrace

Well, to me it was their fault for playing hardball with Weber.. their captain and best player. I was really hoping that what would happen was they would accept a trade of the schenn, 1st 2nd and prospect kind of thing and not match the offer.

you know what tho, they invited that upon themselves. They drug weber through arbitration the year before and waited till we offersheeted him before either signing or trading him. If they didn't want all that to happen they should look in the mirror. Its like getting pissed off at your credit card company for having a late fee assessed to you after going three weeks late to pay.
- JoeRussomanno

True, but misplaced rage is still giong to limit our interactions with them.

The latest "must win" game is upon us. Get a win today and hope and pray over the next 5 days.

The Flyers open today 4 points out of the 8th playoff spot. Of the teams within 5 point of them-or at least the teams they can realistically catch or have to battle with-they don't have any games in hand.

Ahead of them Carolina and the Islanders have 1 game in hand, and the Rangers have two. Behind them, Tampa Bay and Washington have 1 each. This week will be the key, as the Flyers are off for a long while after tonight's game. By their next game the Flyers will have a much clearer pictures of whether or not they're buying or selling.
- Jsaquella

Yeah, but you also have to factor in that the Flyers will have to learn a new coach's system this week...

True, but misplaced rage is still giong to limit our interactions with them.
- FlyersGrace

that will only further bite them in the ass. Limiting your suitors only lowers your price.

Are you sure in your thinking about Weber? By the time he can be traded, Nashville will have paid him the second $12 million bonus which is not recoverable.
- strongsupporter

To me that's a mess they are in. So you have invested so much in this guy.. lose money in the lockout.. only getting 24home games (if they miss the playoffs) which are not as profitable because they are paying salaries... and then get zero playoff revenue which as I understand it is 1 mil plus per game. I'd hate to be involved in that conversation between the gm and owner.

Weber is a candidate to be dealt. If Nashville misses the playoffs, dealing Weber becomes a very real consideration for them.

But the price of a number 1 Dman is steep and people need to get ready for some sticker shock.

Nick Leddy of the Hawks will be the #1 RFA puck moving Dman that can be offer sheeted this summer. The Hawks are squeezed badly on cap compression and something needs to give. So, would a team rather give up 2 or 3 first round picks or figure out a fair deal for Weber or Leddy.
- spatso

Do you think Nashville would commit that type of money to Weber, to turn around and trade him if they missed the playoffs in a shortened season? Seems very unlikely to me that they would.

I expect that Nash must have done their homework before matching and figured the worst case scenario where they lose half a season to a lockout..then miss the playoffs altogether. If not they are idiots and should have taken the 4 picks. But as you say, from the outside, I still have no idea how that match made sense. If he does get dealt, I highly doubt they trade him to us out of spite!
- Hextall271

Actually, I think that there are ways to not only do the deal but also ways for the Flyers (or, another team) to reimburse Nashville for a substantial portion of the $24m loaded into the front end of the contract.

To me that's a mess they are in. So you have invested so much in this guy.. lose money in the lockout.. only getting 24home games (if they miss the playoffs) which are not as profitable because they are paying salaries... and then get zero playoff revenue which as I understand it is 1 mil plus per game. I'd hate to be involved in that conversation between the gm and owner.
- Hextall271

well i tried to explain it to them last summer why it would be and was dumb to match. Guess they don't read this thread, dumbasses

It would depend on the matchup...Pitt, Carolina, Winnipeg, Ottawa I think they'd be ok...New Jersey, Boston, Montreal not so much
- aantny88

As I Leafs fan, I'm hoping the Flyers don't make the playoffs, as the Leafs are hanging on to a spot by their fingernails right now.

But if the Flyers do make it, can we please have a Pittsburgh-Philly 1st rounder?

Pretty please?

Do you think Nashville would commit that type of money to Weber, to turn around and trade him if they missed the playoffs in a shortened season? Seems very unlikely to me that they would.
- PLindbergh31

I think Nashville did the calculation that they would get a better deal by waiting until this summer. You know that there are going to be 4 or 5 teams interested. And, the Preds can recover most of the up front money in a well structured deal.

As I Leafs fan, I'm hoping the Flyers don't make the playoffs, as the Leafs are hanging on to a spot by their fingernails right now.

But if the Flyers do make it, can we please have a Pittsburgh-Philly 1st rounder?

Pretty please?
- Atomic Wedgie

we'll look into it.

I think Nashville did the calculation that they would get a better deal by waiting until this summer. You know that there are going to be 4 or 5 teams interested. And, the Preds can recover most of the up front money in a well structured deal.
- spatso

I guess it's possible. Would be easier to sell their fans on a package of talented NHL ready players than it would be if they didn't match the offer sheet and received four first round picks.

Weber is a candidate to be dealt. If Nashville misses the playoffs, dealing Weber becomes a very real consideration for them.
- spatso

Again...can someone please tell me why Nashville would be willing to pay Weber $25 million for 48 games of play and then trade him?

Also, please keep in mind that teams cannot trade money a la the Gretzky/Lindros deals. They can pay a portion of it (about $2M I think) but that's it.

best chance for the flyers to grab a dman of real significance is to roll the dice on a guy who's struggling right now...the days of hoping we can grab pk, OEL and even bogo are over.

I guess it's possible. Would be easier to sell their fans on a package of talented NHL ready players than it would be if they didn't match the offer sheet and received four first round picks.
- PLindbergh31

all they have to do is give out nascar paraphanelia at their games, the rest would take care of itself.

all they have to do is give out nascar paraphanelia at their games, the rest would take care of itself.
- JoeRussomanno

As I Leafs fan, I'm hoping the Flyers don't make the playoffs, as the Leafs are hanging on to a spot by their fingernails right now.

But if the Flyers do make it, can we please have a Pittsburgh-Philly 1st rounder?

Pretty please?
- Atomic Wedgie

If the Flyers do make the playoffs, it will mean they got hot and will be dangerous.

Therefore, I would love to get the Pens right away. It will be great hockey and I will probably suffer some debilitating health ailment as a result of the series (I can't relax during Flyers/Pens games and I need to remind myself that I don't play the games occasionally).

That said, I don't think the Flyers are gonna make it. I just can't see it.

best chance for the flyers to grab a dman of real significance is to roll the dice on a guy who's struggling right now...the days of hoping we can grab pk, OEL and even bogo are over.
- isaiah520

Unless they completely overpay, you are probably correct.

Would be great to draft a stud D man. I don't see that happening.

I admit, as much as I think of Couturier, I would rather have D. Hamilton right now. I think most Flyers fans would admit as much.

Again...can someone please tell me why Nashville would be willing to pay Weber $25 million for 48 games of play and then trade him?
- jmatchett

cause when you're in up to your mouth in poop, it's usually a good idea to refrain from licking your lips.

Yeah, but you also have to factor in that the Flyers will have to learn a new coach's system this week...
- Atomic Wedgie

Again...can someone please tell me why Nashville would be willing to pay Weber $25 million for 48 games of play and then trade him?

Also, please keep in mind that teams cannot trade money a la the Gretzky/Lindros deals. They can pay a portion of it (about $2M I think) but that's it.
- jmatchett

Teams can't trade money but they can pay for a portion of the traded player's salary. So we trade a player and then pay half his salary for so many years... In effect we are still paying them real money back.