See it is easy to love Horcoff if you don't watch Hockey. He is a great guy. I have him on my facebook. He is good to the community and good to the fans. However he has not played for the amount he is worth and thus has to go. Sure media says to keep them but they also have their heads up their a$$. It would be great to happen but for what might for a guy who did terrible on the dot last night (which is his only saving grace) he is not worth 2 mil at his current production.

Whitney has to go. The guy got some points this year and that was cool but he isn't worth what he will ask and thus we won't resign him. Better to get something for him.

I don't think Gagner will ask for as much as Hall and them so 4-4.5 should be doale long term. I don't know that anyone on the bottom 6 should be getting anything over 1 mill with their production. We are coming off years of last place. Now they might need 1 year contracts at that price, which is a band aid but it gives us time.

As for our D, if fistric wants a raise, I say let him go. He is big but marginably better than peckham. Smid is good and so is Nick but we need someone better so one of them needs upgrading, if not both. With the money they make, a high end dman wouldn't be much more.

The big push should be to trade Eager, Belanger and see if anyone will give us ANYTHING for smyth or horcoff so we don't have to buy the last 2 out. Then we try to upgrade our goaltending with Backstrom, Smith or Luo as well as our D with Striet and see see if Toronto of Vancouver want to part with their dmen because they are more pressured than we are. We will pay slightly more for the upgrades but horcoffs buyout alone will cover that.

And give Omark another shot. He was once thought to be the future Hemsky. He is killing in Europe. Worst case scenario we show case him and trade him for a pick. Best case scenario we have a hemsky replacement for under 2 mil. He could be the next Brunner.
- bsteinley

You, sir, are everything that is wrong with Oiler fans.

1. Horcoff is overpaid. Get over it. He's the most complete centre the Oilers have and (at this point) his salary is irrelevant. At no point has his salary impeded a signing of a better player. Oilers aren't up at the Cap yet and it isn't your money. So who gives a fart what he makes. Until his contract gets in the way of signing somebody better, it's Katz's issue and nobody else's.

2. Whitney doesn't have any value trade-wise. Bad wheels, healthy scratches and suspect zone coverage. He won't be re-signed here and I doubt the Oilers can get anything of note for him at the deadline. Pipe dreams of people thinking that a team could use him as a PP guy are silly, considering he can't even QB our PP with conviction.

3. The final standings of a team have zero impact on individual players contract negotiations.

4. Fistric is significantly better than Peckham. Yes, N.Schultz and Smid will cost money, but there isn't anybody better upcomming as a FA. In fact, if the Oilers don't re-sign Smid, he will likely be the most coveted FA D-man this summer. So just saying they need to be upgraded is one thing...but how do you propose this happens. You insinuate it's an easy thing if you throw money at somebody better. Thing is, there isn't anybody better this summer.

5. Eager cleared waivers. Meaning nobody wanted the guy for FREE. Why do you figure somebody would now be willing to give up any kind of an asset? And how the fudge do you expect the Oilers to magically acquire a goalie of Luongo or Backstrom's calibre AS WELL as Streit? What are you willing to give up to trade for them. You then say the Oilers can offer more for a Dman from Toronto or Vancouver. I don't understand...if they are under contract the Oilers can't just give them more money. They need to be FA's first....

6. Omark? Omark? Why do Oiler fans always have a boner for the flashy guys who look sexy on Youtube but are nowhere near NHL players. I bet you figured Schremp was never given a fair shot. If there was a team in the NHL willing to offer ANYTHING for Omark, don't you think they would have traded him by now? If he had any value at all, he would have been traded by now. The guy is a joke and the entire league knows about it....hence no trade offers.

You, sir, are everything that is wrong with Oiler fans.

1. Horcoff is overpaid. Get over it. He's the most complete centre the Oilers have and (at this point) his salary is irrelevant. At no point has his salary impeded a signing of a better player. Oilers aren't up at the Cap yet and it isn't your money. So who gives a fart what he makes. Until his contract gets in the way of signing somebody better, it's Katz's issue and nobody else's.

2. Whitney doesn't have any value trade-wise. Bad wheels, healthy scratches and suspect zone coverage. He won't be re-signed here and I doubt the Oilers can get javascript:emoticon('')anything of note for him at the deadline. Pipe dreams of people thinking that a team could use him as a PP guy are silly, considering he can't even QB our PP with conviction.

3. The final standings of a team have zero impact on individual players contract negotiations.

4. Fistric is significantly better than Peckham. Yes, N.Schultz and Smid will cost money, but there isn't anybody better upcomming as a FA. In fact, if the Oilers don't re-sign Smid, he will likely be the most coveted FA D-man this summer. So just saying they need to be upgraded is one thing...but how do you propose this happens. You insinuate it's an easy thing if you throw money at somebody better. Thing is, there isn't anybody better this summer.

5. Eager cleared waivers. Meaning nobody wanted the guy for FREE. Why do you figure somebody would now be willing to give up any kind of an asset? And how the fudge do you expect the Oilers to magically acquire a goalie of Luongo or Backstrom's calibre AS WELL as Streit? What are you willing to give up to trade for them. You then say the Oilers can offer more for a Dman from Toronto or Vancouver. I don't understand...if they are under contract the Oilers can't just give them more money. They need to be FA's first....

6. Omark? Omark? Why do Oiler fans always have a boner for the flashy guys who look sexy on Youtube but are nowhere near NHL players. I bet you figured Schremp was never given a fair shot. If there was a team in the NHL willing to offer ANYTHING for Omark, don't you think they would have traded him by now? If he had any value at all, he would have been traded by now. The guy is a joke and the entire league knows about it....hence no trade offers.
- Cansucks

So, I read the TSN article that quotes Rossi. The draft pick, roster player, and top prospect Cal supposedly wants for Iginla. So, despite how you feel about whether we should aquire iginla, I was curious about this proposition. How about if it was Kennedy, one of Harrington/doumalin/ or Maata, and a conditional pick. similer to the guerin trade. a 4th if we bow out in the first round, a 3rd if we go out in the second... until a first if we win the east. seems like a good way to balance it out...

posted by me on pens board... but curious about opinions from EDM
- ChrisMS

That doesn't seem unfair to me. Similar to what I thought. The sticking point is the conditional pick. I have to think the Flames would want at least a 2nd.

TK + Doumoulin + conditional 1st/2nd (1st if East champs or better, 2nd if not). I'd bet they'd give on the first two assets to get that higher conditional. Two examples might be swapping out TK for say, Dustin Jeffrey, or swapping out Doumoulin for a leser guy like Bortuzzo

You, sir, are everything that is wrong with Oiler fans.

1. Horcoff is overpaid. Get over it. He's the most complete centre the Oilers have and (at this point) his salary is irrelevant. At no point has his salary impeded a signing of a better player. Oilers aren't up at the Cap yet and it isn't your money. So who gives a fart what he makes. Until his contract gets in the way of signing somebody better, it's Katz's issue and nobody else's.

2. Whitney doesn't have any value trade-wise. Bad wheels, healthy scratches and suspect zone coverage. He won't be re-signed here and I doubt the Oilers can get anything of note for him at the deadline. Pipe dreams of people thinking that a team could use him as a PP guy are silly, considering he can't even QB our PP with conviction.

3. The final standings of a team have zero impact on individual players contract negotiations.

4. Fistric is significantly better than Peckham. Yes, N.Schultz and Smid will cost money, but there isn't anybody better upcomming as a FA. In fact, if the Oilers don't re-sign Smid, he will likely be the most coveted FA D-man this summer. So just saying they need to be upgraded is one thing...but how do you propose this happens. You insinuate it's an easy thing if you throw money at somebody better. Thing is, there isn't anybody better this summer.

5. Eager cleared waivers. Meaning nobody wanted the guy for FREE. Why do you figure somebody would now be willing to give up any kind of an asset? And how the fudge do you expect the Oilers to magically acquire a goalie of Luongo or Backstrom's calibre AS WELL as Streit? What are you willing to give up to trade for them. You then say the Oilers can offer more for a Dman from Toronto or Vancouver. I don't understand...if they are under contract the Oilers can't just give them more money. They need to be FA's first....

6. Omark? Omark? Why do Oiler fans always have a boner for the flashy guys who look sexy on Youtube but are nowhere near NHL players. I bet you figured Schremp was never given a fair shot. If there was a team in the NHL willing to offer ANYTHING for Omark, don't you think they would have traded him by now? If he had any value at all, he would have been traded by now. The guy is a joke and the entire league knows about it....hence no trade offers.
- Cansucks

This post is correct.

Blues have the lowest payroll in the league. They can afford to resign players. And if it turns into a ROR situation, we'll just suggest he stay in shape in Europe playing. Even Feaster wouldn't be dumb enough to try and sign an RFA that would have to clear waivers for him... well, a second time.
- Antilles

OR the worst team in the league offer sheets him then picks him off waivers when St. Louis doesnt match! BOOM

one of the best posters around.
- hugefemale dog77

You asskisser. Everyone knows Reveen is the best poster and has the nicest hair.

OR the worst team in the league offer sheets him then picks him off waivers when St. Louis doesnt match! BOOM
- JShack

I like what you have done here sir

You asskisser. Everyone knows Reveen is the best poster and has the nicest hair.
- ruttager17

dont hate

dude's my soulmate.

The solution is to ditch Belanger, let Whitney walk, and don't hand out raises like candy.

Petrell, Hartikainen get 1m, and that's generous. Jones, Fistric and MPS get 1.5mil.
Smid gets 3.3 tops.

Flip Hemsky + picks and prospects for a Dman of relatively similar cap hit.
Sign a 1-1.5 million dollar backup.

TAAA DAAA! 14 million in cap space.

The solution is to ditch Belanger, let Whitney walk, and don't hand out raises like candy.

Petrell, Hartikainen get 1m, and that's generous. Jones, Fistric and MPS get 1.5mil.
Smid gets 3.3 tops.

Flip Hemsky + picks and prospects for a Dman of relatively similar cap hit.
Sign a 1-1.5 million dollar backup.

TAAA DAAA! 14 million in cap space.
- Morris

The solution is to ditch Belanger, let Whitney walk, and don't hand out raises like candy.

Petrell, Hartikainen get 1m, and that's generous. Jones, Fistric and MPS get 1.5mil.
Smid gets 3.3 tops.

Flip Hemsky + picks and prospects for a Dman of relatively similar cap hit.
Sign a 1-1.5 million dollar backup.

TAAA DAAA! 14 million in cap space.
- Morris

i am wondering is smid expendable with fistric around. it's nice to have depth, but can smid be traded and fistric take his spot and role for cheaper dollars.

i am wondering is smid expendable with fistric around. it's nice to have depth, but can smid be traded and fistric take his spot and role for cheaper dollars.
- deks1

Depends on whether he wants to re-sign.

If he's game for 3-4 years, 3.3 per, you can't say no to depth at that price. If he's not into that, I'll bet we can get Pittsburgh's 1st.

The solution is to ditch Belanger, let Whitney walk, and don't hand out raises like candy.

Petrell, Hartikainen get 1m, and that's generous. Jones, Fistric and MPS get 1.5mil.
Smid gets 3.3 tops.

Flip Hemsky + picks and prospects for a Dman of relatively similar cap hit.
Sign a 1-1.5 million dollar backup.

TAAA DAAA! 14 million in cap space.
- Morris

smid gets more on the open market... hell... the pens could offer him 4 million and I think that would be fine

Depends on whether he wants to re-sign.

If he's game for 3-4 years, 3.3 per, you can't say no to depth at that price. If he's not into that, I'll bet we can get Pittsburgh's 1st.
- Morris

maybe... though shero is a tough barginer it might have to be a conditional 1st pending resigning

Depends on whether he wants to re-sign.

If he's game for 3-4 years, 3.3 per, you can't say no to depth at that price. If he's not into that, I'll bet we can get Pittsburgh's 1st.
- Morris

Cool! The 31st AND 32nd picks!

maybe... though shero is a tough barginer it might have to be a conditional 1st pending resigning
- ChrisMS

I don't think anyone who gets 4+ on the open market commands less than a 1st in trade value...

smid gets more on the open market... hell... the pens could offer him 4 million and I think that would be fine
- ChrisMS

That was my demonstrating that we can easily put together a roster as good or better than this year with 14 million cap space. We can afford to sign him for a bit more though too.

I don't think anyone who gets 4+ on the open market commands less than a 1st in trade value...
- Morris

maybe depends on the market... and the words through the fence are that pittsbrugh doesn't want to give up a first for iginla, if so than I doubt they give up more for smid... I would personally love to see him on the team, but at the cost of a first? we just shut out the rangers... our d looks pretty good and despres is starting to look like a top 4 if not top 2 d-man. I'd rather get decent depth d-man... similar to the hall gill move several years ago...

Cool! The 31st AND 32nd picks!
- sanfordnson

my thoughts exactly, either we can use those two and trade our 1st, or use them to trade up in the draft.

31st and 32nd can probably get you in and around a 25th.

maybe... though shero is a tough barginer it might have to be a conditional 1st pending resigning
- ChrisMS

prospect and pick, conditional whether he resigns or penguins make it pass a certain round of the playoffs?

maybe depends on the market... and the words through the fence are that pittsbrugh doesn't want to give up a first for iginla, if so than I doubt they give up more for smid... I would personally love to see him on the team, but at the cost of a first? we just shut out the rangers... our d looks pretty good and despres is starting to look like a top 4 if not top 2 d-man. I'd rather get decent depth d-man... similar to the hall gill move several years ago...
- ChrisMS

Well I'm not going to speak for the Pens, but I gotta figure we could get around a 1st from some team at the deadline.

Sometimes it's a vote of confidence for you team to not make any changes at the deadline, but Iggy will go for the price being reported, whether it's to the Pens or elsewhere. I'll bet you Smid gets a 1st from some team more desperate than Pittsburgh.

my thoughts exactly, either we can use those two and trade our 1st, or use them to trade up in the draft.

31st and 32nd can probably get you in and around a 25th.
- Morris

More rookies in the lineup. the Stanley Cup is assured! cuz Marincin, Gernat, Klefbom, and those guyz be beastz.

More rookies in the lineup. the Stanley Cup is assured! cuz Marincin, Gernat, Klefbom, and those guyz be beastz.
- sanfordnson

I'd rather keep Corey Potter, and I hate Potter.

Well I'm not going to speak for the Pens, but I gotta figure we could get around a 1st from some team at the deadline.

Sometimes it's a vote of confidence for you team to not make any changes at the deadline, but Iggy will go for the price being reported, whether it's to the Pens or elsewhere. I'll bet you Smid gets a 1st from some team more desperate than Pittsburgh.
- Morris

very possibly correct... ahh... I love this time of year!

I'd rather keep Corey Potter, and I hate Potter.
- Morris

Potter is subcontinent AIDS.