i dont want 6 Mike Weber's on the blue line, but I'd take 6 guys that play as hard as him and care as much as he does. That's one of the huge problems with this joke of a group....no passion.
- Homer

All the grinders in the world can have all the passion in the world, but it doesn't mean jack crap if your best players don't have "it". They need their top 6 (at least their top 3 or 4 defensemen) to have that kind of "heart". Without that, all the heart in the world on your bottom ranks is utterly meaningless.

dont need more out a 5/6 guy though
- Homer

Right, a 5/6 guy should never be viewed as untouchable or a keeper.

Point being that this is the mentality that keeps both teams from winning championships. Everyone falls in love with the grinders, the ones that you can get anywhere. I'm not lobbying to get rid of Weber of all costs, but calling a guy like that a "keeper" just shows how clueless we are on how to win championships in this town. You win with top end talent, not guys like Weber. If they can make it happen and keep him on this roster, great, but Mike Weber on or off this roster doesn't make the Sabres significantly better or worse. That fact alone should take him off the "keeper" list.
- buffalofan19

but championship teams have grinders and usually a handful of them....I dont think Mike Weber is a dime a a dozen, I give him a little more credit than that.

Right, a 5/6 guy should never be viewed as untouchable or a keeper.
- sbroads24

well sure, I agree with that

I'd argue he's getting zero offers for Stafford
- PassionBucket16

There's always one or two egotistical execs out there that think they can get through to a guy and turn him around.

Point being that this is the mentality that keeps both teams from winning championships. Everyone falls in love with the grinders, the ones that you can get anywhere. I'm not lobbying to get rid of Weber of all costs, but calling a guy like that a "keeper" just shows how clueless we are on how to win championships in this town. You win with top end talent, not guys like Weber. If they can make it happen and keep him on this roster, great, but Mike Weber on or off this roster doesn't make the Sabres significantly better or worse. That fact alone should take him off the "keeper" list.
- buffalofan19

I disagree. I think your mentality is way off base.
So we shouldn't keep this teams best defensive defenseman at this moment, is what you are saying because we seem to have this adoration for "the grinder"?
I disagree with your opinion vehemently.
This team and organization is loaded with wanna be offensive defensemen as opposed to defensive dmen. The only exception is Mcnabb.
Weber stays in my opinion if not just for that reason.
Wanna know why this team is one of the worst in the league in goals against?
We dont have enough Webers on this team and far too many Leopolds.
Pardy should have stayed up and should be up here as well in my opinion.

but championship teams have grinders and usually a handful of them....I dont think Mike Weber is a dime a a dozen, I give him a little more credit than that.
- Homer

They do have grinders, but they don't focus on them until their top pieces are set. If Mike Weber was more than a dime a dozen, he'd be in the lineup a lot more often than he is. He's not exactly a kid anymore.

I disagree. I think your mentality is way off base.
So we shouldn't keep this teams best defensive defenseman at this moment, is what you are saying because we seem to have this adoration for "the grinder"?
I disagree with your opinion vehemently.
This team and organization is loaded with wanna be offensive defensemen as opposed to defensive dmen. The only exception is Mcnabb.
Weber stays in my opinion if not just for that reason.
Wanna know why this team is one of the worst in the league in goals against?
We dont have enough Webers on this team and far too many Leopolds.
Pardy should have stayed up and should be up here as well in my opinion.
- BuffaloHardHat

This is the mentality of the fan base for years. We don't need more Mike Webers, just like we don't need more Ryan Fitzpatricks. All the heart in the world and no skills to back it up.

Right, a 5/6 guy should never be viewed as untouchable or a keeper.
- sbroads24

No, the 5/6 guy shouldn't be untouchable, but the 5/6 guy isn't hurting you.

What are you going to do, trade a 5/6 guy for what? Another 5/6 guy.

Spinning your wheels.

Which is fine. Last year he was a -19 in 50 games. Like I said, this might be the first year he's not a complete train wreck
- sbroads24

And how many years has Myers been a train wreck now and his age and growing and conditioning and this and that have been used as an excuse over and over and over again?

Debating Weber is like like debating the color of the life-jackets on the Titanic - who cares?

The Sabres are the joke of the league. We have a desperate GM making questionable moves. A lame-duck, interim head coach. A bunch of players who don't care. An owner, in over his head.

Weber is playing decent. At least he cares. Hoo-effing-ray.

I disagree. I think your mentality is way off base.
So we shouldn't keep this teams best defensive defenseman at this moment, is what you are saying because we seem to have this adoration for "the grinder"?
I disagree with your opinion vehemently.
This team and organization is loaded with wanna be offensive defensemen as opposed to defensive dmen. The only exception is Mcnabb.
Weber stays in my opinion if not just for that reason.
Wanna know why this team is one of the worst in the league in goals against?
We dont have enough Webers on this team and far too many Leopolds.
Pardy should have stayed up and should be up here as well in my opinion.
- BuffaloHardHat

It's so cute when you try and make yourself sound more intelligent than you really are by using all those big words.

I disagree. I think your mentality is way off base.
So we shouldn't keep this teams best defensive defenseman at this moment, is what you are saying because we seem to have this adoration for "the grinder"?
I disagree with your opinion vehemently.
This team and organization is loaded with wanna be offensive defensemen as opposed to defensive dmen. The only exception is Mcnabb.
Weber stays in my opinion if not just for that reason.
Wanna know why this team is one of the worst in the league in goals against?
We dont have enough Webers on this team and far too many Leopolds.
Pardy should have stayed up and should be up here as well in my opinion.
- BuffaloHardHat

I like Weber just fine, but if you're building your D around guys like Weber and Pardy you're going to be picking in the top 3 every year.

I disagree. I think your mentality is way off base.
So we shouldn't keep this teams best defensive defenseman at this moment, is what you are saying because we seem to have this adoration for "the grinder"?
I disagree with your opinion vehemently.
This team and organization is loaded with wanna be offensive defensemen as opposed to defensive dmen. The only exception is Mcnabb.
Weber stays in my opinion if not just for that reason.
Wanna know why this team is one of the worst in the league in goals against?
We dont have enough Webers on this team and far too many Leopolds.
Pardy should have stayed up and should be up here as well in my opinion.
- BuffaloHardHat

They definitely need defensive defensemen for sure, but they need guys that are far better at it than either Pardy or Weber. They aren't the worst team in goals against because they don't have enough Mike Webers. Their the worst because Weber is the best they can come up with. It's the typical Buffalo disease: falling in love with blue collar players, and the championships they never bring.

This is the mentality of the fan base for years. We don't need more Mike Webers, just like we don't need more Ryan Fitzpatricks. All the heart in the world and no skills to back it up.
- sbroads24

you dont make it to the NHL with no skill

They definitely need defensive defensemen for sure, but they need guys that are far better at it than either Pardy or Weber. They aren't the worst team in goals against because they don't have enough Mike Webers. Their the worst because Weber is the best they can come up with. It's the typical Buffalo disease: falling in love with blue collar players, and the championships they never bring.
- buffalofan19

we dotn have enough blue collar players IMO.

you dont make it to the NHL with no skill
- Homer

Tell Rob Ray that

I like Weber just fine, but if you're building your D around guys like Weber and Pardy you're going to be picking in the top 3 every year.
- Homer

The 3 and 4 guys (Leo/Regehr) need to be upgraded at this point, IMO.

No, the 5/6 guy shouldn't be untouchable, but the 5/6 guy isn't hurting you.

What are you going to do, trade a 5/6 guy for what? Another 5/6 guy.

Spinning your wheels.
- Powerslave

If someone wants Mike Weber as a "throw-in" to land an impact top 6 forward or top 2 defenseman, I do that deal yesterday.

And how many years has Myers been a train wreck now and his age and growing and conditioning and this and that have been used as an excuse over and over and over again?
- BuffaloHardHat

Compare Myers numbers to Webers from last year. There not even close. Myers was a plus player, Weber was a -19. Myers had 23 pts and 8 goals, Weber had 3 pts

but championship teams have grinders and usually a handful of them....I dont think Mike Weber is a dime a a dozen, I give him a little more credit than that.
- Homer

Thanks Homer.
Finally someone that sees what I see.

we dotn have enough blue collar players IMO.
- Homer

No, they don't have enough top end talent.

Brennan sure has a cannon of a shot.....that never seems to hit the net.

If he could hit the net with consistency, he might have been OK, at best.

No, they don't have enough top end talent.
- buffalofan19

and because of that you need more blue collar guys that are going to make this team miserable to play against.

No, they don't have enough top end talent.
- buffalofan19

This I could not agree more with, although I think they need more passion in their play from top to bottom.