So . . . Stalberg, McNeill and a 25th-30th pick? Dunno . . . not that bad a deal, IMO
- John Jaeckel

so would you be ok swinging a Leddy, McNeil, 1st swap for Iginla?

so would you be ok swinging a Leddy, McNeil, 1st swap for Iginla?
- FourFeathers773

Seems like a lot for a potential rental who is 35...

One thing about Stalberg... his current deal is very reasonable... and I thought that it was at the time he signed it.

I wouldn't be surprised if that deal was signed in good faith that the next contract would be where the real money is assuming he continued to progress- which he mostly has.

It is a beautiful friday and my anger management therapy is working like a charm. It is all fun to throw stuff out there, but there is not chance for any of this to happen.

But have at it.
- TrueGrit

so would you be ok swinging a Leddy, McNeil, 1st swap for Iginla?
- FourFeathers773

GOD NO

So . . . Stalberg, McNeill and a 25th-30th pick? Dunno . . . not that bad a deal, IMO
- John Jaeckel

I'd do it for depth at center and a shot at another banner. I like Stalberg a lot, but his skill set is replaceable.

That is weak logic. So you're implying Byfuglien was to blame for the fact that the Hawk forwards could not adjust to the dump and chase style game Nashville forced them int0—all while Byfuglien was forced to play D‚ and as I recall was pretty solid.

Byfuglien, as much as any one or any thing, wore Pronger down in that series. it was PRONGER who disappeared on the back end of that series.
- John Jaeckel

No I'm Implying that Quenville got tired of Buff being skated around at critical times and practically pleaded for Soupy to come back for the Nashville series which he did....

And Buff didn't wear Pronger down at all. In fact, Pronger had Buff in his back pocket and it wasn't until Q broke up the 19-88-33 line that Buff started to get his edge. primarily because Laviolette's response was to double and triple shift Pronger.

I thought Buff deserved the Conn Smythe too. In fact I wish he did win it. He wins it, Toews bonus clauses don't trigger and perhaps Ladd is still a Hawk. ( There's at least less salary cap hell....). I think he's talented as all hell. One of the more talented big men in the game. But he's too streaky for my taste. You seem to think he "raised his game" during the playoffs. I think his good streak just happened to fall during the playoffs. And until he gets into the playoffs again, we'll never really know who's right....

So . . . Stalberg, McNeill and a 25th-30th pick? Dunno . . . not that bad a deal, IMO
- John Jaeckel

Do you think Stan balks at ANY of the following prospects????

Pirri
Johns
Clendending
McNeill
Danault
Smith
Morin
Hayes
Teuvo

I would think only Teuvo and POSSIBLY Danault are off limits

so would you be ok swinging a Leddy, McNeil, 1st swap for Iginla?
- FourFeathers773

That would be an overpayment for a rental

Do you think Stan balks at ANY of the following prospects????

Pirri
Johns
Clendending
McNeill
Danault
Smith
Morin
Hayes
Teuvo

I would think only Teuvo and POSSIBLY Danault are off limits
- ChicagoDave

Pretty much. They like Johns quite a bit.

Byfuglien is a bottom pair Dman and a Stud in front of the net, but would not do this trade either, unless it was an expanded package.


Just for fun to get True Grit going a bit

In the off season assuming they sign Leddy long term.

Bolland, McNeil, and Keith for Byfuglien and E Kane
or
Sharp,Keith and McNeil for Byfuglien and E Kane
- Greek7

Overpay in both cases, especially with Sharp in there.

No I'm Implying that Quenville got tired of Buff being skated around at critical times and practically pleaded for Soupy to come back for the Nashville series which he did....

And Buff didn't wear Pronger down at all. In fact, Pronger had Buff in his back pocket and it wasn't until Q broke up the 19-88-33 line that Buff started to get his edge. primarily because Laviolette's response was to double and triple shift Pronger.

I thought Buff deserved the Conn Smythe too. In fact I wish he did win it. He wins it, Toews bonus clauses don't trigger and perhaps Ladd is still a Hawk. ( There's at least less salary cap hell....). I think he's talented as all hell. One of the more talented big men in the game. But he's too streaky for my taste. You seem to think he "raised his game" during the playoffs. I think his good streak just happened to fall during the playoffs. And until he gets into the playoffs again, we'll never really know who's right....
- yahoodi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe7wVr-eSg0

On top of that, try moving 275 pounds around on skates—without cross-checking. Very . . . physically . . . draining.

quote=TheTrob]Overpay in both cases, especially with Sharp in there.


This was just for fun and there is basically no chance of this happening but this would be a great deal for the Hawks. If we can get out of Sharp's age and contract and get Byfuglien and a 22 year old stud in Kane, the trigger should be pulled in a second

This was just for fun and there is basically no chance of this happening but this would be a great deal for the Hawks
- Greek7

You cant give up a top pairing defenseman. Swap Leddy, Hjarm, Odyua in there and then its more likely......okay not more likely, but maybe more realistic

You cant give up a top pairing defenseman. Swap Leddy, Hjarm, Odyua in there and then its more likely......okay not more likely, but maybe more realistic
- TheTrob

Of course I would rather trade Leddy than Keith but this was taken from JJ saying that he would not trade Keith for Byfuglien straight up, which I agreed. I was just making a bigger package to throw out there just for fun

There is a guy, also named Al Cimaglia, taking advantage of your hockey audience to hawk real estate at the top of your Fox page. Is there no shame?
- Sundevil

You really think he can make a decent living only doing that part time column?

Of course I would rather trade Leddy than Keith but this was taken from JJ saying that he would not trade Keith for Byfuglien straight up, which I agreed. I was just making a bigger package to throw out there just for fun
- Greek7

Understood. My point is that many of the trades posed here are ridiculous. There has to be at least perceived value on both sides for a deal to be made. If Keith > Buff then Winnipeg throws in the "+" to even the deal. If that "+" is E.Kane (ridiculous to think he would be) then the equation shifts to Buff+E.Kane > Keith. At that point either Bolland or Sharp becomes the "+". No need for McNeil or anyone else to be thrown in.

You really think he can make a decent living only doing that part time column?
- Maggie

Gotta do what you can to finance doing the things you love, sometimes. Jim Cornelison is in real estate, too, I think.

You really think he can make a decent living only doing that part time column?
- Maggie

No need to defend but Thanks.....

There is a guy, also named Al Cimaglia, taking advantage of your hockey audience to hawk real estate at the top of your Fox page. Is there no shame?
- Sundevil

LOL.....This is still America and the people who pay me like to sell advertisment.

No laws broken, nothing unethical, just ass backwards thinking on your part.

No one's giving you crap for Mayers. I am little surprised (but not completely) that they have gotten feelers about Bollig. Hayes could get dealt. I am 99% certain they put him in some offer packages a year ago.

And to Stanley's credit, I hear he is a big Bollig fan.
- John Jaeckel

I would absolutely HATE to see Bollig go, him/Seabs/and Bickell are the only ones laying any hits at all on this team. Let Bollig go and Carcillo is the only guy we have who could fight his way out of a paper bag, should the need arise. Mayers is useless at this point.

LOL.....This is still America and the people who pay me like to sell advertisment.

No laws broken, nothing unethical, just ass backwards thinking on your part.
- Al

In this day and age working is a good thing....if you have any job you should be proud (except maybe GM of the Vancouver Canucks).

Any team that has the cap room and willingness to pay him $3 million or so per year on a 3-4 year deal. Of which, there are likely more than a few.
- John Jaeckel

i think what True Grit was asking (and i could be wrong) was more about the way deals are done in other leagues and if the NHL can arrange trades the same way - specifically, if the Hawks trade Stalberg to another team, will that other team be able to make the trade contingent upon Stalberg re-upping with them immediately? basically akin to a "sign and trade" in the NBA? if you're trading Stalberg to Calgary as part of a deal for Iginla, why are they willing to do that UNLESS they know for sure that he will re up with them? without that set in stone, they're just setting themselves up to have a player for half a season and then engaging in a possible bidding war for said player.

In this day and age working is a good thing....if you have any job you should be proud (except maybe GM of the Vancouver Canucks).
- DarthKane

I know Hockey Buzz is the most popular hockey website but Eklund doesn't own Fox Chicago.......

i think what True Grit was asking (and i could be wrong) was more about the way deals are done in other leagues and if the NHL can arrange trades the same way - specifically, if the Hawks trade Stalberg to another team, will that other team be able to make the trade contingent upon Stalberg re-upping with them immediately? basically akin to a "sign and trade" in the NBA? if you're trading Stalberg to Calgary as part of a deal for Iginla, why are they willing to do that UNLESS they know for sure that he will re up with them? without that set in stone, they're just setting themselves up to have a player for half a season and then engaging in a possible bidding war for said player.
- dr_boloney

No...Can't have a contingent trade except on draft picks being adjusted depending on performance. ie a 2nd round pick instead of a 3rd rounder....and that could be changed with the new CBA, not positive.

Stalberg would have the most trade value if he was signed to a contract, as long as it wasn't crazy.

Then there would be cost certainty for the acquiring team.