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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Mar 14 @ 1:08 PM ET
I think he's saying that, for a mid-round pick, Bishop would be a worthy piece to have on hand either way. He looks good, from what little I've seen.
- BulliesPhan87

Is a mid round pick realistic?

Bob got a 2nd and 3rd rd iirc.

Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 14 @ 1:08 PM ET

- Flyskippy

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 14 @ 1:08 PM ET
Randy Robitaille
Kyle Calder
Denis Hamel
Niko Dimitrakos
Dmitry Afanasenkov

- jmatchett


oh.my.word
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Mar 14 @ 1:08 PM ET
isnt he renting Hexy's home?
- vejim

I thought Lavi was renting Gagne's home... Wonder if they are bunking together now.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Mar 14 @ 1:08 PM ET
lots of teams. He is a good player. Off year.
- strongsupporter

I would explore that
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Mar 14 @ 1:09 PM ET
I think Bryz gets another season to see how he will play when he gets 70-80% of the ice time and not 95%, and how he does with a new coach.

They need a reliable back up and if they can get a guy with higher potential if they decide to cut ties with Bryz all the better.

This is what you are saying, yes?

- Marc D

I was going to write that Bryzgalov is not the problem, but I realized it would be a waste of time.

Much easier for you guys to just tar and feather the goalie.

I think I've seen this happen once or twice before in the City of Brotherly Love...
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 14 @ 1:09 PM ET
isnt he renting Hexy's home?
- vejim

He was renting Gagne's home and moved last year.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 14 @ 1:09 PM ET

My second favorite part of Coburn!

- FlyersGrace


Do I dare ask what your favorite part of Coburn is?
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 14 @ 1:09 PM ET
I was going to write that Bryzgalov is not the problem, but I realized it would be a waste of time.

Much easier for you guys to just tar and feather the goalie.

I think I've seen this happen once or twice before in the City of Brotherly Love...

- Atomic Wedgie


So you're saying it's the goalie?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 14 @ 1:10 PM ET
Is a mid round pick realistic?

Bob got a 2nd and 3rd rd iirc.

- Marc D

To be honest, I'm not sure. A team in more immediate need of a goaltender would outbid us, I imagine. I wouldn't mind getting a good, young goalie at a favorable price, though. It'd be helpful to have one on hand when next season is over and they have to make a final decision on Bryz.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 14 @ 1:11 PM ET
I was going to write that Bryzgalov is not the problem, but I realized it would be a waste of time.

Much easier for you guys to just tar and feather the goalie.

I think I've seen this happen once or twice before in the City of Brotherly Love...

- Atomic Wedgie

I get it, it's funny because nobody's (edit: currently) blaming Bryz (edit: on this thread).

(edit: edit)
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 14 @ 1:11 PM ET
I was going to write that Bryzgalov is not the problem, but I realized it would be a waste of time.

Much easier for you guys to just tar and feather the goalie.

I think I've seen this happen once or twice before in the City of Brotherly Love...

- Atomic Wedgie



most in here dont blame bryz....
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 14 @ 1:11 PM ET
Do I dare ask what your favorite part of Coburn is?
- PLindbergh31

his nose....
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Mar 14 @ 1:12 PM ET
I was going to write that Bryzgalov is not the problem, but I realized it would be a waste of time.

Much easier for you guys to just tar and feather the goalie.

I think I've seen this happen once or twice before in the City of Brotherly Love...

- Atomic Wedgie


You think it's bad in here, you haven't seen anything... visit the Flyers Facebook page during games, or any updates. People are friggin idiots. Seems like a lot of them only know how to read a box score, and not actually watch a game. Someone could break their stick in half, stab Bryz in the throat with it, while he's down on the ice and someone shoots the puck in, people would be complaining he sucks and should have stopped it. There's only a couple people in here claiming it's him... but throughout the world, ignorant people are speaking.. lol

I agree completely with Bill in saying he's given them a chance most of the season to win. Lately, he has been getting softer, sure. But overall, the stats don't tell the whole story... But hey, I guess people need to pick a roster player out to hang, might as well be Bryz.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 14 @ 1:12 PM ET
Not everything changes. They traded JvR before the offer sheet to Weber.
- Jsaquella


My bad
Amazing though how much improved their D corps would have been with his addition!
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 14 @ 1:12 PM ET
most in here dont blame bryz....
- Philly1980


Blame as in him being the # 1 problem? Of course not. Jury is still out on whether he's the solution.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Mar 14 @ 1:13 PM ET
most in here dont blame bryz....
- Philly1980

If it makes you feel any better, the general consensus in Toronto is the Flyers' main problem is Luke Schenn.












Just kidding.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Mar 14 @ 1:14 PM ET
I was going to write that Bryzgalov is not the problem, but I realized it would be a waste of time.

Much easier for you guys to just tar and feather the goalie.

I think I've seen this happen once or twice before in the City of Brotherly Love...

- Atomic Wedgie

Oh I agree completely.
Bryz was tremendous the first few weeks, easily their best player.

But lately he has fallen off, more the team play then the goalie, but he has been just average of late and gets paid like a top 5 goalie. This is Homer's and Snider's fault, not Bryzgalov's.

He is over paid for what he brings, and similar goalie play could possibly be had for less $.

In 2014 they have Giroux, B Schenn, Couts, Read, and Meszy needing new deals and likely raises. If Bryz continues to be average or even slightly above average, I think a buyout is not off the table.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 14 @ 1:15 PM ET
I think Bryz gets another season to see how he will play when he gets 70-80% of the ice time and not 95%, and how he does with a new coach.

They need a reliable back up and if they can get a guy with higher potential if they decide to cut ties with Bryz all the better.

This is what you are saying, yes?

- Marc D

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 14 @ 1:16 PM ET
I was going to write that Bryzgalov is not the problem, but I realized it would be a waste of time.

Much easier for you guys to just tar and feather the goalie.

I think I've seen this happen once or twice before in the City of Brotherly Love...

- Atomic Wedgie


Most of us know bryz isn't the problem but stop in anytime
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 14 @ 1:19 PM ET
This might sound crazy, but...the feeling in Vancouver has shifted, and it looks like Luongo is the new Cory Schneider, who was the heir apparent to Bobby Lu. So it turns out that Luongo's heir was Luongo. Do you think the Flyers could look into trading something (Briere+Coburn?) for Schneider? I'm not blaming Bryz, but since the team isn't looking like it's going to be a Cup contender any time soon, it might make more sense to buy him out, if only to get a good young goalie that the team can grow with?
And yes, that would have been Bob, but.....
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Mar 14 @ 1:20 PM ET
Do I dare ask what your favorite part of Coburn is?
- PLindbergh31

You can ask but I'd get booted if I told you... So just use your imagination and we'll move on.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Mar 14 @ 1:20 PM ET
Oh I agree completely.
Bryz was tremendous the first few weeks, easily their best player.

But lately he has fallen off, more the team play then the goalie, but he has been just average of late and gets paid like a top 5 goalie. This is Homer's and Snider's fault, not Bryzgalov's.

He is over paid for what he brings, and similar goalie play could possibly be had for less $.

In 2014 they have Giroux, B Schenn, Couts, Read, and Meszy needing new deals and likely raises. If Bryz continues to be average or even slightly above average, I think a buyout is not off the table.

- Marc D

You think the Flyers would be willing to pay him almost $18 million to make him go away?

That would probably make him the happiest guy on earth.

Hell, when you put it that way, I'd be playing for the buyout next year if I was him.

It's going to be an interesting summer next year for buyouts. I'm guessing a lot of teams will use up one strike this year, and save the other one for next.

And in case you were wondering about the Leafs, Komisarek will be gone. Second one is currently awaiting Liles (but not a foregone conclusion) or maybe even Grabovski (in summer of 2014, and only if they can get a centre to replace him).
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 14 @ 1:21 PM ET
isnt he renting Hexy's home?
- vejim


Actually, I think I read that he was about to close on buying Simon Gagne's old place.

/not so fast, Pete
//get your deposit back
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Mar 14 @ 1:21 PM ET
This might sound crazy, but...the feeling in Vancouver has shifted, and it looks like Luongo is the new Cory Schneider, who was the heir apparent to Bobby Lu. So it turns out that Luongo's heir was Luongo. Do you think the Flyers could look into trading something (Briere+Coburn?) for Schneider? I'm not blaming Bryz, but since the team isn't looking like it's going to be a Cup contender any time soon, it might make more sense to buy him out, if only to get a good young goalie that the team can grow with?
And yes, that would have been Bob, but.....

- jmatchett

If they trade Coburn I think it makes more sense to get back an offensive defenseman.

I wouldn't mind Schneider.

I guess Van might want to dump Ballard off in a trade, but not sure a deal with Philly is the best fit.
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