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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Mar 14 @ 12:42 PM ET
It's often been said (probably just by me) that the biggest reason why Coburn never became a true top pairing guy was because of his head.
- bradleyc4

the ability to get a shot on net occasionally would help him in this regard as well
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Mar 14 @ 12:43 PM ET
It's often been said (probably just by me) that the biggest reason why Coburn never became a true top pairing guy was because of his head.
- bradleyc4

Made it hard to skate, huh?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:43 PM ET
Outside of Giroux, who has made an impact from that draft?
- Jsaquella

Outside of their first round pick in any of the last 12 drafts who has made an impact?
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:45 PM ET
How'd it work out after that? I'm sure when they drafted Giroux they were thinking, "We'll get those Sabres!!!"
- mayorofangrytown



actually the point is they decided to go with small quick guys opposed to guys with size which is all fine and good but they always seem to react to the past season. I'd like to have a mix of all of course but that said, given the choice is skilled big guys vs skilled small guys, I take the guy with size if all things equal talent wise.
edmac812
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dry Island, PA
Joined: 12.31.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:45 PM ET
Briere is no worse then Iginla or Clowe?
Huh?

- Marc D


Briere has disappeared( E5)
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Mar 14 @ 12:46 PM ET
TSN has a poll on their front page:

"The Philadelphia Flyers could really use _______ right now?"

1. Bobrovosky
2. Jagr
3. JVR


bad poll
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Mar 14 @ 12:46 PM ET
Briere has disappeared( E5)
- edmac812


Off on another mystery line change...
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:46 PM ET
Outside of their first round pick in any of the last 12 drafts who has made an impact?
- mayorofangrytown


Exactly my point, they have no patience. They change course too often.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:46 PM ET
TSN has a poll on their front page:

"The Philadelphia Flyers could really use _______ right now?"

1. Bobrovosky
2. Jagr
3. JVR


bad poll

- Marc D


Fred Shero
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 14 @ 12:47 PM ET
The solution is easy. Develop a plan, stick to that plan. Don't change it in two years when a team uses something different than NJ to eliminate you in the playoffs.

The Flyers spend too much time trying to win last year's Stanley Cup, have been for years.

- Jsaquella



Single most incisive and insightful line on HB ever.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 14 @ 12:47 PM ET
TSN has a poll on their front page:

"The Philadelphia Flyers could really use _______ right now?"

1. Bobrovosky
2. Jagr
3. JVR


bad poll

- Marc D


Terry Murray?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:51 PM ET
actually the point is they decided to go with small quick guys opposed to guys with size which is all fine and good but they always seem to react to the past season. I'd like to have a mix of all of course but that said, given the choice is skilled big guys vs skilled small guys, I take the guy with size if all things equal talent wise.
- nastyflyergirl

They always take the best available player that's why Couturier is here instead of Hamilton. They took 10 players in 2006 and three of them are listed at 5'11" and one of those is Giroux. The rest are 6' or over. They didn't draft in 2006 because of the Sbares and the trend to take smaller players was league wide and indicative of the new rules on clutching and grabbing and not some reaction by all the teams (yes even the Flyers) to the Sabres success(?) in the 2006 season in the playoffs.

They also didn't become the Devils and they didn't become anyone else in reaction to a playoff loss.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:53 PM ET
They always take the best available player that's why Couturier is here instead of Hamilton. They took 10 players in 2006 and three of them are listed at 5'11" and one of those is Giroux. The rest are 6' or over. They didn't draft in 2006 because of the Sbares and the trend to take smaller players was league wide and indicative of the new rules on clutching and grabbing and not some reaction by all the teams (yes even the Flyers) to the Sabres success(?) in the 2006 season in the playoffs.

They also didn't become the Devils and they didn't become anyone else in reaction to a playoff loss.

- mayorofangrytown



like I said 6 foot or less. I see it differently. the Flyers have always been reactionary in my opinion
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:53 PM ET
Exactly my point, they have no patience. They change course too often.
- Jsaquella

What does that have to do with their draft success or failure? How has changing course affected their drafting success? I don't even get what you're saying or how it's at all relatable.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:54 PM ET
Single most incisive and insightful line on HB ever.
- Tomahawk

Except it's almost completely inaccurate.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 14 @ 12:54 PM ET
Fred Shero
- Jsaquella

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 14 @ 12:55 PM ET
Flyers have the most regulation losses in the NHL. That is stunning.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:56 PM ET
like I said 6 foot or less. I see it differently. the Flyers have always been reactionary in my opinion
- nastyflyergirl

So in your opinion they drafted in 2006 because of a loss to the Sabres in the playoffs?

I find that mind boggling.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 14 @ 12:56 PM ET
Except it's almost completely inaccurate.
- mayorofangrytown

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 14 @ 12:56 PM ET
Flyers have the most regulation losses in the NHL. That is stunning.
- PLindbergh31

Not really. They're playing like crap.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 14 @ 12:57 PM ET
Not really. They're playing like crap.
- Flyskippy


I know. I didn't think they were great, but being one of the worst teams in the league surprises me.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 14 @ 12:58 PM ET
Flyers have the most regulation losses in the NHL. That is stunning.
- PLindbergh31


Im excited for next week when they'll be sliding down the standings on their way to a top 5 pick and I won't have the dry heaves from watching them
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:59 PM ET
Flyers have the most regulation losses in the NHL. That is stunning.
- PLindbergh31



8 of their 16 losses have been by 3 or more goals. on the flip side they have only won 3 games by 3 or more
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 14 @ 12:59 PM ET
Off on another mystery line change...
- tangent_man


To his credit he wasn't on the ice when the goal was scored for once
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 14 @ 1:00 PM ET
Im excited for next week when they'll be sliding down the standings on their way to a top 5 pick and I won't have the dry heaves from watching them
- Just5


After they lose to the Devils tomorrow night, they have one game in 8 days. They will be so far buried in the standings you will need a microscope to find Coburn's nose.
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