and I do not blame you on the Barkov thing....

u still never actually addressed his comment even though u responded to it.

ur talking about filling one hole and making another one. an even bigger one most likely.

no ones saying gardiner wouldnt make us better, its just not worth it at that cost.

who plays 2 center?? and dont say horcoff or some 18 year old we'll draft.
- hugefemale dog77

The very first thing I said in my response is that Hall be should our 2nd top 6 centre. I think this should happen whether Gagner gets traded or not.

If Gardiner isn't worth that cost, then I hope you don't expect the Oilers to acquire a left handed top 4 D with top pairing potential to become part of the core of our team, because it's never going to happen. Any improvement to this team is going to come at a cost.

Conversation won't even start for gardiner unless a 2013 first round pick is involved unless your willing to trade us nuge

Yeah I wouldn't do it...... Gardiner is top 4 with top 2 potential... his numbers last year are very similar to Schultz this year... less points but better plus minus....
- jribout

I don't blame you. The lure of top-5 pick in a top-heavy draft is significantly more attractive than a relative unknown in a draft that, like the pick, is still relatively unknown to most hockey fans. Assume you were to take a deal for the 2014 1st instead of the 2013, what would you personally require the + to be in that case? Perhaps Ryan Jones and a 2013 2nd?

and I do not blame you on the Barkov thing....
- jribout

I don't think anyone would

Conversation won't even start for gardiner unless a 2013 first round pick is involved unless your willing to trade us nuge
- Pinnerflynner

leave the nuge outta this man!!

as i said, around the TD, ill holla t tambs and u holla at u nonis and maybe we get your second proposal done. (got him on speed dial bro)

but if we're looking at 1-5, not sure i do it. 1-3 almost no chance.
i believe there's more proven impact players we can get for that high of a pick if we chose to move it

leave the nuge outta this man!!

as i said, around the TD, ill holla t tambs and u holla at u nonis and maybe we get your second proposal done. (got him on speed dial bro)

but if we're looking at 1-5, not sure i do it. 1-3 almost no chance.
i believe there's more proven impact players we can get for that high of a pick if we chose to move it
- hugefemale dog77

That might be true. Don't you think maybe j Schultz gives the extra little push or pressure to get gardiner? Different spin on things here.
Edm
Nugent Hopkins
2014 first
Toronto
Rielly
2013 first ?

I don't blame you. The lure of top-5 pick in a top-heavy draft is significantly more attractive than a relative unknown in a draft that, like the pick, is still relatively unknown to most hockey fans. Assume you were to take a deal for the 2014 1st instead of the 2013, what would you personally require the + to be in that case? Perhaps Ryan Jones and a 2013 2nd?
- MaximumBone

To tell you the truth I would only do it if we were kind of stuck and had to move Gardiner (He wanted out or coach didnt like him) I would do it for the 2nd and Jones if Jones' salary wasnt too big......

The very first thing I said in my response is that Hall be should our 2nd top 6 centre. I think this should happen whether Gagner gets traded or not.

If Gardiner isn't worth that cost, then I hope you don't expect the Oilers to acquire a left handed top 4 D with top pairing potential to become part of the core of our team, because it's never going to happen. Any improvement to this team is going to come at a cost.
- SteveTambellini

oh. the switching around positions argument to whats most convienent for us.
wasnt it you talking about nhl 13?

and we've seen gags struggle on the wing. and halls game is so much more suited to it.

anyway, u keep saying the same thing over and over. no one said it wouldnt cost.
some of us just dont believe we're a better team by dealing sam gagner for jake gardiner atm.
and lets not forget that we just waited years for sam to do what hes finally doin. his development finally pays off and we ship him. and not for a sure fire vet either. another potential that may or may not turn out..

That might be true. Don't you think maybe j Schultz gives the extra little push or pressure to get gardiner? Different spin on things here.
Edm
Nugent Hopkins
2014 first
Toronto
Rielly
2013 first ?
- Pinnerflynner

he probably does. and id even have pause to move the 4th or 5th pick.


as far as nuge, hes our number 1 center going forward. no chance he gets dealt for anything less than an absolute slam dunk.
even then..

he probably does. and id even have pause to move the 4th or 5th pick.


as far as nuge, hes our number 1 center going forward. no chance he gets dealt for anything less than an absolute slam dunk.
even then..
- hugefemale dog77

I would say rielly has more potential then gardiner and Schultz. But I can see where you are coming just was wondering if that was similiar in value

oh. the switching around positions argument to whats most convienent for us.
wasnt it you talking about nhl 13?

and we've seen gags struggle on the wing. and halls game is so much more suited to it.

anyway, u keep saying the same thing over and over. no one said it wouldnt cost.
some of us just dont believe we're a better team by dealing sam gagner for jake gardiner atm.
and lets not forget that we just waited years for sam to do what hes finally doin. his development finally pays off and we ship him. and not for a sure fire vet either. another potential that may or may not turn out..
- hugefemale dog77

Steve Tambellini and Ralph Krueger have both expressed a desire to play Hall at centre. He played centre for a while in junior and, in case you haven't noticed (which you clearly haven't), Hall has often been taking draws lately with one of Gagner or Nuge also on the ice lined up on the wing. So me suggesting a move to centre for Hall is not unrealistic, not even slightly.

Some people think that Gagner will be able to keep up this level of production, I don't. This is a contract year for him and seen by many as his make or break year on the team which I think has given him that extra motivation. In the future I see him as a 55-60 point guy in a full season. He doesn't have the level of defensive play nor the faceoff ability that most teams would desire in their 2nd line centre.

Maybe if the Oilers made that trade they would regret it later. Maybe it would turn out to be an excellent trade for them. That's what I'm saying. You don't get better through trades without taking some risks. Sure, it may not pan out exactly as planned, but that's the risk you have to take to build a contender. We sure as hell aren't going to get any better just sitting here doing nothing.

Is that Reveen?

Steve Tambellini and Ralph Krueger have both expressed a desire to play Hall at centre. He played centre for a while in junior and, in case you haven't noticed (which you clearly haven't), Hall has often been taking draws lately with one of Gagner or Nuge also on the ice lined up on the wing. So me suggesting a move to centre for Hall is not unrealistic, not even slightly.

Some people think that Gagner will be able to keep up this level of production, I don't. This is a contract year for him and seen by many as his make or break year on the team which I think has given him that extra motivation. In the future I see him as a 55-60 point guy in a full season. He doesn't have the level of defensive play nor the faceoff ability that most teams would desire in their 2nd line centre.
- SteveTambellini

desire and actually doing it are 2 completely different things.
that would solve alot of problems, but theres a reason they STILL havent.
taking some draws and changing ones game to the center position from wing are also 2 different things.

we can extrapolate what we think gagners gonna do all we want, but fact is, hes on pace for 80 in a full season. if im dealing gags we do it in a package for a bigger, better top 6 center or a more proven top 4 dman. ur talking like gardiner is shea weber here. hes not even cracking the leafs lineup right now! jeez.

and again, i dont think creating another hole by filling one is a wise idea. we use the assets we can move to acquire what we need.
i certainly have never said we shouldnt be making moves. im one of the main posters that want a move done.
but not just for the sake of it.

u deal from positions of depth to fill positions of need. which arent worthless by any means. 1st, hemmer, klefbom, marincin, gernat, prv, harti,
wingers, picks, prospects

Hall would be a better centre than Gagner IMO. Gags' defensive play isn't that great and his FO% is horrific. How does that deal not fix our defensive shortcomings? Gardiner would fill the current void in our top 4. He had 30 points in his rookie season. You're not going to get a guy like that for any less of a return.

This is the thing that really bugs me about Oiler fans. Everybody seems to think that this is NHL 13 or something and every player in the league has a fixed value, saying things like "he's not worth that" or "thats way too much". The price is what it is based on the calibre of player and the current NHL market, and past trades have shown us this. I guarantee we as fans of the Oilers could find a reason to shoot down ANY possible trade. This guy isn't proven enough, that's too much to give up, blah, blah, blah. Well guess what? You don't get something for nothing in this league, and you're certainly not going to get any better without taking some risks. If you want to think the Oilers are going to get a 22 year old top 4 defensemen with top 2 potential for a price less than a pending RFA who's had one good half season and a 2nd round pick, then be my guest. But it's not going to happen. The Oilers have some serious holes right now, and they aren't going to be filled without paying the price and that's just how it is. To get better as a team, you have trade skill for skill, and that doesn't come without some risks. Or, we can just sit here and hope that someone gives us the moon for Hemsky, like most Oiler fans seem to do. /rant
- SteveTambellini

Gagner stays,Oilers dont need to trade Gagner IMO he is right now the Oilers MVP this season,plus the Oilers will have about 3 D players that will look to make the Team next season."Oscar the Bomb/Marincin/Musil"...the trades you mention are over payment to the Leaf,are you sure your an Oilers Fan?

Steve Tambellini and Ralph Krueger have both expressed a desire to play Hall at centre. He played centre for a while in junior and, in case you haven't noticed (which you clearly haven't), Hall has often been taking draws lately with one of Gagner or Nuge also on the ice lined up on the wing. So me suggesting a move to centre for Hall is not unrealistic, not even slightly.

Some people think that Gagner will be able to keep up this level of production, I don't. This is a contract year for him and seen by many as his make or break year on the team which I think has given him that extra motivation. In the future I see him as a 55-60 point guy in a full season. He doesn't have the level of defensive play nor the faceoff ability that most teams would desire in their 2nd line centre.

Maybe if the Oilers made that trade they would regret it later. Maybe it would turn out to be an excellent trade for them. That's what I'm saying. You don't get better through trades without taking some risks. Sure, it may not pan out exactly as planned, but that's the risk you have to take to build a contender. We sure as hell aren't going to get any better just sitting here doing nothing.
- SteveTambellini

I dont believe the contract is the main reason why Gagner is producing the way is happening now,is got to do with playing with better players that he didnt had before and hes got more experience,I do believe he will continue to improve and keep producing.

Steve Tambellini and Ralph Krueger have both expressed a desire to play Hall at centre. He played centre for a while in junior and, in case you haven't noticed (which you clearly haven't), Hall has often been taking draws lately with one of Gagner or Nuge also on the ice lined up on the wing. So me suggesting a move to centre for Hall is not unrealistic, not even slightly.

Some people think that Gagner will be able to keep up this level of production, I don't. This is a contract year for him and seen by many as his make or break year on the team which I think has given him that extra motivation. In the future I see him as a 55-60 point guy in a full season. He doesn't have the level of defensive play nor the faceoff ability that most teams would desire in their 2nd line centre.

Maybe if the Oilers made that trade they would regret it later. Maybe it would turn out to be an excellent trade for them. That's what I'm saying. You don't get better through trades without taking some risks. Sure, it may not pan out exactly as planned, but that's the risk you have to take to build a contender. We sure as hell aren't going to get any better just sitting here doing nothing.
- SteveTambellini

You mean Ralph Kreuger and I

Beautiful goal by MPS tonight.

I feel the need to address your trade proposition involving Gardiner. For starters, the Oilers would be half-witted to trade Gagner away just so that they could draft a "big, skilled 2C" at the coming draft. That doesn't help them now or in the near future (unless you get real lucky).

As I posted a few threads ago, if the Oil had a top-5 range pick in this year's draft and if Barkov were available for them to pick, it would be incredibly beneficial to draft him. The time he'd be required to spend in Finland would ultimately make for a better player in the long-term and would finally give the Oilers a little something called quality C depth. With this scenario in my head, I find it very difficult to even consider trading that 1st rounder if we keep our current pace in the standings (which is no guarantee, either). However, that's not to say I wouldn't have interest in trading for Gardiner. He would likely be an immediate improvement to our team and would be a great piece to add to our "puzzle".

While I believe our 2013 1st rounder is out of the question, I would have absolutely zero reservations about trading our 2014 1st + for a player like him. I have absolutely no idea what the + would be, so would anyone like to help me out? Conditional 2nd in 2013? Forward prospect?

...

I really want Barkov
- MaximumBone

This is 1000% my view on this #FreeGardiner bullpoop. Saving him from the crappy leafs would be awesome in theory. Adding more backend depth/potential is something we could never get enough of. But, if the price is Barkov. NEXXXXT!!!

Gardiner is slick and probably has a bright future but i'm leaning towards Tobias Rieder, 2013 second and whatever Whitney fetches us at the deadline from Pitt
for Gardiner. That's my starting offer. Our roster is soooo weak as is, there's no way I tear an important cog such as Gagner out of the lineup just to possibly be better in 2015.

Oilers 2013/2014 is going to be very exciting! I doubt our 2013 first cracks that lineup.

PS: i know Mr. Beauchemin is super decent but i think the Leafs fleeced the ducks on this one. Anaheim Ducks: Jake Gardiner, Joffrey Lupul and a conditional fourth-round draft pick in 2013 to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Francois Beauchemin.

Lupul is meh in my opinion but you Leafers think hes all that and a bag of potato chips. And basing my conclusion on your perception of Lupul, I think Burkey did perrrrttty well on that one.

Ridiculous. First time Ive actually read the blog in weeks and I remembered why quickly.
- sanfordnson

I would not trade your 1st for Gardiner. Keep it and probably land Seth Jones

i CAN'T BELIEVE i'm about to side with leaf fans, but i think oiler fans are DRASTICALLY underestimating the value of gardiner.

i would say his value is similar to justin schultz. he might not be quite at the same level offensively (although he's close), but after having seen a few games by each now, i can confidently say that gardiner is much stronger in his own end.

so, whatever you think fair value for schultz would be, maybe take a TINY bit off, and that's what you'd have to pay for gardiner.


ewwwww, i feel so dirty

This is 1000% my view on this #FreeGardiner bullpoop. Saving him from the crappy leafs would be awesome in theory. Adding more backend depth/potential is something we could never get enough of. But, if the price is Barkov. NEXXXXT!!!

Gardiner is slick and probably has a bright future but i'm leaning towards Tobias Rieder, 2013 second and whatever Whitney fetches us at the deadline from Pitt
for Gardiner. That's my starting offer. Our roster is soooo weak as is, there's no way I tear an important cog such as Gagner out of the lineup just to possibly be better in 2015.

Oilers 2013/2014 is going to be very exciting! I doubt our 2013 first cracks that lineup.

PS: i know Mr. Beauchemin is super decent but i think the Leafs fleeced the ducks on this one. Anaheim Ducks: Jake Gardiner, Joffrey Lupul and a conditional fourth-round draft pick in 2013 to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Francois Beauchemin.

Lupul is meh in my opinion but you Leafers think hes all that and a bag of potato chips. And basing my conclusion on your perception of Lupul, I think Burkey did perrrrttty well on that one.
- JShack

Do you see the minutes Beauchemin plays. The Duck would not be a Cup contender right now with Lupuk and Gardiner.

You think anything less than that is going to get a defensemen like Gardiner? There is no chance.
- SteveTambellini

What has Gardiner done at the NHL level? Oh he has potential but he has not "proven" anything.

Gagner is a 6 year vet with solid, proven, Top 6 skill and is right now a Top 10 scoring Center.

Sorry butI do not think a Gag-Gard trade is equal...Tor needs to add...

What has Gardiner done at the NHL level? Oh he has potential but he has not "proven" anything.

Gagner is a 6 year vet with solid, proven, Top 6 skill and is right now a Top 10 scoring Center.

Sorry butI do not think a Gag-Gard trade is equal...Tor needs to add...
- OilHorse

gardiner has put 30pts in 75 games, while playing very very good in his own end. he's ATLEAST proven as much as schultz.......what is schultz worth?