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powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Mar 13 @ 7:28 PM ET
Tampa never played that defensively when he was there, and I would hazard a guess that the Rangers current roster is more talented up front than that '04 cup winning team.

He has the horses to open it up, and the goalie to back stop a more open system. I never know why teams seem to protect a top line goalie, if they are good they will keep you in games more often than lose them.

Why do you think MAF is the only goalie who has done well in the Pens open system? The team trusts him (a little too much lately) to make that save that gives the team a chance to come back.

He did it against Boston last night, didn't allow another after two goals where he didn't really have a chance to save them.

When all the stars went down in '11 and the team tightened up, you can see MAF's stats improve drastically. I wonder if Hank would be able to keep his stats down, or if he would even care if the Rangers won more games at 4-3, 5-4 because Hank made the big save when required?

- walshy66


Until recently he really did not have as much firepower up front. I agree with what you are saying.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Mar 13 @ 8:31 PM ET
So, Philly down 3-1 to the Devils after one. Did anyone catch Bryzgalov's comments about the games with New Jersey?
powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Mar 13 @ 8:50 PM ET
So, Philly down 3-1 to the Devils after one. Did anyone catch Bryzgalov's comments about the games with New Jersey?
- Oneonta Penguin


Now 4-1 and jersey is doing a good job disecting Philly's main weakness. Lack of skating ability defensively. If you can get a half a step on them they are toast.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:13 PM ET
Now 4-1 and jersey is doing a good job disecting Philly's main weakness. Lack of skating ability defensively. If you can get a half a step on them they are toast.
- powerhouse


Yep, Bruno Mars had a nice defensive play leading to that odd man rush in which the Devils scored their fourth.
HopintheCordoba
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: My Own Personal Burgh, MD
Joined: 04.04.2012

Mar 13 @ 9:54 PM ET
@Eklund: I will put together my "what I think is wrong with the flyers" blog and then get back to the trade deadline rumors...

Aren't ALL the blogs Ek puts up secretly/not so secretly about the Flyers?

Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Mar 13 @ 10:01 PM ET
@Eklund: I will put together my "what I think is wrong with the flyers" blog and then get back to the trade deadline rumors...

Aren't ALL the blogs Ek puts up secretly/not so secretly about the Flyers?


- HopintheCordoba


He is such a homer. No need to do that blog. My 10 year old son knows what's wrong with the Flyers. They were put together poorly in the offseason.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Mar 13 @ 10:04 PM ET
@Eklund: I will put together my "what I think is wrong with the flyers" blog and then get back to the trade deadline rumors...

Aren't ALL the blogs Ek puts up secretly/not so secretly about the Flyers?


- HopintheCordoba


I've watched a lot of hockey this year and the Flyers are putting up one of the most gutless performances of any team I've seen all year. Looks like they quit the season 20 games early. I would not be surprised to see Lavi canned tomorrow.

T Kos leveled fartsmell....was beautiful!
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Mar 13 @ 10:07 PM ET
I've watched a lot of hockey this year and the Flyers are putting up one of the most gutless performances of any team I've seen all year. Looks like they quit the season 20 games early. I would not be surprised to see Lavi canned tomorrow.

T Kos leveled fartsmell....was beautiful!

- madmike71


I want to see these clowns out of the play-offs, but close enough to making it just so they don't get the high pick.
Gunner Staal
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @gunnerstaal @Hockey_Hurts hoc, NY
Joined: 04.19.2007

Mar 13 @ 10:11 PM ET
I want to see these clowns out of the play-offs, but close enough to making it just so they don't get the high pick.
- Oneonta Penguin


They call that the Sabre way.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Mar 13 @ 10:13 PM ET
I want to see these clowns out of the play-offs, but close enough to making it just so they don't get the high pick.
- Oneonta Penguin


I'd like to see them trade their first rounder in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs and ultimately fall 2 points short. Or course it's also fun watching them poop the bed most nights. Their defense is BRUTAL! Makes the Pens look like a group of all stars.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Mar 13 @ 10:21 PM ET
I'd like to see them trade their first rounder in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs and ultimately fall 2 points short. Or course it's also fun watching them poop the bed most nights. Their defense is BRUTAL! Makes the Pens look like a group of all stars.
- madmike71


or that...

Holmgren can't help himself. For once, he needs to restrain himself from making another idiotic move (hello - extending Kimmo Timmonen for 6 million next year). He has done a lousy job assembling this team. Lose Jagr, lose Carle, trade JVR - who was basically known as a spare part, and look at this mess.

If he makes a deal and brings in something significant, he has to deal his first and either Brayden Schenn or Couterier because the farm system sucks. Laughton or Cousins aren't going to bring back a significant piece and those are the only two good ones in that organization and Cousins is still awaiting his sexual assault trial.

Sure, trade the first and the next Ron Francis for Big Buff. I hope that happens.

madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Mar 13 @ 10:39 PM ET
or that...

Holmgren can't help himself. For once, he needs to restrain himself from making another idiotic move (hello - extending Kimmo Timmonen for 6 million next year). He has done a lousy job assembling this team. Lose Jagr, lose Carle, trade JVR - who was basically known as a spare part, and look at this mess.

If he makes a deal and brings in something significant, he has to deal his first and either Brayden Schenn or Couterier because the farm system sucks. Laughton or Cousins aren't going to bring back a significant piece and those are the only two good ones in that organization and Cousins is still awaiting his sexual assault trial.

Sure, trade the first and the next Ron Francis for Big Buff. I hope that happens.

- Oneonta Penguin


I don't see them being able to make a move that puts them into the "real contender" column. They'd be wise to take their medicine, sell what they can and make some changes in the off season.....(with a new GM who doesn't treat his farm system like a battered spouse.)
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Mar 13 @ 10:43 PM ET
I don't see them being able to make a move that puts them into the "real contender" column. They'd be wise to take their medicine, sell what they can and make some changes in the off season.....(with a new GM who doesn't treat his farm system like a battered spouse.)
- madmike71


One move won't do anything, I agree. His spare parts really don't bring much value, if any. No one will take Briere with that cap hit and he isn't waiving his NTC. I would assume both buyouts will be used - Bryzgalov and Briere in the offseason.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 13 @ 10:52 PM ET
One move won't do anything, I agree. His spare parts really don't bring much value, if any. No one will take Briere with that cap hit and he isn't waiving his NTC. I would assume both buyouts will be used - Bryzgalov and Briere in the offseason.
- Oneonta Penguin

Hope they trade their 1st+Couturier+Read+another guy for Byfuglien n Iginla.
Deadstar
Joined: 06.29.2008

Mar 13 @ 11:33 PM ET
You trade for the now as much as the Flyers did and you get the issues they are facing now.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 14 @ 12:16 AM ET
You trade for the now as much as the Flyers did and you get the issues they are facing now.
- Deadstar

That's why I want them to trade their future. Couldn't care less about the Flyers
powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Mar 14 @ 6:49 AM ET
or that...

Holmgren can't help himself. For once, he needs to restrain himself from making another idiotic move (hello - extending Kimmo Timmonen for 6 million next year). He has done a lousy job assembling this team. Lose Jagr, lose Carle, trade JVR - who was basically known as a spare part, and look at this mess.

If he makes a deal and brings in something significant, he has to deal his first and either Brayden Schenn or Couterier because the farm system sucks. Laughton or Cousins aren't going to bring back a significant piece and those are the only two good ones in that organization and Cousins is still awaiting his sexual assault trial.

Sure, trade the first and the next Ron Francis for Big Buff. I hope that happens.

- Oneonta Penguin


Holmgren is like a poker player who keeps thinking if I keep shuffeling the deck and get a new hand, eventually I will win it all. But he traded away some assets you can't replace. He believed Giroux was the man but he needs somebody like Jagr on his line to take away the heat and help distribute the puck. Plus D is so slow. It's the same problem they had a few years ago. Back to the Future!
HopintheCordoba
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: My Own Personal Burgh, MD
Joined: 04.04.2012

Mar 14 @ 7:37 AM ET
Interesting stuff from Stu Hackel on the Calder Trophy and the Makarov Rule

It's time for the NHL to repeal the Makarov Rule and make first-year players who are 26 or older eligible for the Calder Trophy as rookie of the year.

Scattered throughout the internet, you'll find a fair number of writers who are picking their midseason award winners. It's an old hockey tradition that dates back to the Original Six era when the selectors of the awards actually voted at the halfway point -- and the league gave monetary bonuses to the first-half winners and runners-up, probably something like $3,000 with the second place guy receiving $1,500. A real windfall, but I digress.

The Makarov Rule is named for Sergei Makarov, a highly decorated right wing, three-time MVP and 10-time All-Star of the Soviet Championship league while playing for CSKA, the Red Army team. He also compiled a magnificent international resume as well. For nearly a decade while skating with Igor Larionov and Vladimir Krutov, Makarov may have been part of the best forward line in the world, and he was in the first wave of Soviet players who were allowed to come to the NHL.

In 1989, at age 31, Makarov joined the Calgary Flames and led all players in plus-minus (plus-33) and all rookies in assists (62) and points (86). There were other very impressive rookies that season -- Mike Modano, Mark Recchi, Jeremy Roenick and Rod Brind'Amour to name a few -- and they had all come into the NHL via the traditional route of major junior hockey. They were also much younger than Makarov, who won the Calder.

The league's GMs believed that Makarov had an unfair advantage over the North American kids -- which he did --- and there was perhaps a trace of Cold War thinking and some envy when they made that judgment. Makarov was not a product of their hockey system, but the Soviets', which still rivaled the NHL's. Their solution was to put an age restriction on the Calder from that season forward, as they expected drastic changes and the loosening of restrictions among Eastern European countries to make it possible for a good number of players like Makarov to come into the NHL. The GMs believed those players should not be permitted to dominate the Calder Trophy race.

But today the rule is obsolete. Excluding all first year players who are 26 and over is a relic of a time gone by. No one disputes that the NHL is the best league in the world and any first year player who comes from Europe now really must make a step up to succeed, which was not necessarily the case in Makarov's day.

So when you look at this season's truly impressive rookie class, there are a trio of players who are automatically ineligible for the Calder Trophy, but they deserve consideration: Anaheim Ducks goalie Viktor Fasth, who is 30 and has been one of the year's major surprises; Detroit Red Wings forward Damien Brunner, 27 and quite skilled, who is providing Detroit with a third big point producer to go with Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg. If Brunner, who had 10 goals and nine assists in his first 26 games, were included in the rookie scoring standings, he'd rank second. And then there is Mike Kostka, 27, a lifetime minor pro and classic-late bloomer who has quietly become a top pair defenseman for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

They can't get a single vote, however, and that's something of an injustice.

The age exclusion provision in the Calder Trophy rules unfairly prohibits voters from recognizing these players. They've may have paid their dues at lower levels of the game far longer than teenagers Nail Yakupov and Jonathan Huberdeau, or even 24-year-old Jake Muzzin. But that shouldn't be held against them. Each of them has a great story and is, in his own way, an inspirational figure. They are still first-year NHLers, even though they took a bit more time to get here, and it's time the league revisited the Makarov Rule and considered returning the Calder to its original intent.

I write all that because of all the worthy but ineligible first-year players this season. Fasth might just be my pick as the first-half Calder winner. A savior for the Ducks both literally and figuratively, he ranks third in the entire league in both save percentage (.929) and goals-against average (1.92), and with 10 victories in 12 starts (he's relieved one other time), Fasth has forced his way into a rotation with former undisputed Number 1 Jonas Hiller. In nine of his 10 wins, Fasth has allowed two or fewer goals. No first year player has had this big an impact in the first 24 games of the season.

There are a few reasons why Anaheim has trailed only the runaway Blackhawks in the West, and Fasth is one of the big ones. In the past, a Hiller injury would spell problems for the Ducks, but no longer. Remember, Fasth came into the NHL after five years in Sweden, where the shooters aren't quite the same caliber as the ones he's facing now and the larger ice surface gave him a bit more time to get set for shots. He shouldn't be penalized for having played there; the NHL is really a higher level than the Elitserien.

The only thing that gives me pause when considering Fasth as the first half's top rookie is that he's only been in 13 games. First-year players who have played more regularly could have an advantage over him, but that should be the only reason why he's not considered.

Among the eligible rookies, well, figuring out who other than Fasth has been the best may be the toughest of all the major awards to determine. Many of these kids have made impressive starts to their NHL careers.

Huberdeau deserves consideration because his 12 goals lead all rookies and he's doing it while playing on a pretty shaky Florida Panthers club. Cory Conacher -- a great story himself -- leads all rookies in points, and the Tampa Bay Lightning aren't much better than the Panthers.

Dougie Hamilton od the Bruins is incredibly poised for a 19-year-old defenseman and he's playing big minutes. A few years from now, he may turn out to be the best of this entire group.

Muzzin, who otherwise might have been playing in AHL Manchester, was pressed into service because of injuries on the Los Angeles Kings' blueline, and he now leads all rookies in plus-minus. The Edmonton Oilers' pair of Yakupov and defenseman Justin Schultz are also among the rookie scoring leaders.

Two others have particularly caught my eye.

Brendan Gallagher of the Montreal Canadiens is just a little guy, listed at 5-foot-8, 174 pounds. But he plays like he's five inches and 30 pounds larger, always crashing the net and making things happen, a non-stop, high energy buzz-saw. This little pest seems to do a good job of annoying the opposition and he's got enough talent to be on Montreal's top line. He ranks among the rookie leaders in goals, points and plus-minus. I heard someone last week call him a Theo Fleury-type talent and that's pretty high praise. So is what Habs coach Michel Therrien said about Gallagher over the weekend, calling him "an example for his teammates." Sounds more like a Bobby Clarke-type. If Gallagher can survive the pounding, NHL foes could be seeing that maddening smile of his for years to come.

The other young guy I like is Chicago's Brendan Saad, a Pittsburgh-area product who has been skating on the left side of the Blackhawks' top line with Marian Hossa and Jonathan Toews. That's special company to be in, as Hossa and Toews are exceptionally powerful skaters. But Saad not only keeps up with them, he seems to be the one who is first to the puck. He's willing to take a pounding to make the play. Coach Joel Quenneville has given him more time on the penalty kill as well. The only drawback to Saad's game is that he's not putting up points like some of the other top rookies -- not that Chicago needs him to score. But that will probably keep him from getting the recognition he deserves as an effective first year player. Too bad. Lots of teams could use a player like Saad and would be happy to have him in their lineup.

But whoever is being considered, their age should not be a factor in deciding which of them has had the best debut in the NHL. Only their accomplishments should matter.
nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Mar 14 @ 8:36 AM ET
it makes me sad everytime i hear about saad....

I wanted pens to get him and I remember being so pissed when they passed him up and then didnt trade down to get him in the second..
powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Mar 14 @ 8:45 AM ET
it makes me sad everytime i hear about saad....

I wanted pens to get him and I remember being so pissed when they passed him up and then didnt trade down to get him in the second..

- nh4442


Steady. Sometimes it seems easy to rewind and go back in life.
MadCap2008
Washington Capitals
Location: Brambleton, VA
Joined: 06.02.2007

Mar 14 @ 9:14 AM ET
Holmgren is like a poker player who keeps thinking if I keep shuffeling the deck and get a new hand, eventually I will win it all. But he traded away some assets you can't replace. He believed Giroux was the man but he needs somebody like Jagr on his line to take away the heat and help distribute the puck. Plus D is so slow. It's the same problem they had a few years ago. Back to the Future!
- powerhouse


The Flyers look like a mess, but I would be hesitant to throw dirt on them yet. They made the finals in 2010 when they won a shootout on the last day of the season just to get in the playoffs. I still think the Ottawa/Toronto playoff slots are vulnerable, and the Flyers are probably the most likely team to slip in if one of those two teams nose dives. My Caps, on the other hand, look like toast - I can't root against them, but it would certainly be convenient if they got one of the top couple of picks in the draft.
Gunner Staal
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @gunnerstaal @Hockey_Hurts hoc, NY
Joined: 04.19.2007

Mar 14 @ 9:16 AM ET
The Flyers look like a mess, but I would be hesitant to throw dirt on them yet. They made the finals in 2010 when they won a shootout on the last day of the season just to get in the playoffs. I still think the Ottawa/Toronto playoff slots are vulnerable, and the Flyers are probably the most likely team to slip in if one of those two teams nose dives. My Caps, on the other hand, look like toast - I can't root against them, but it would certainly be convenient if they got one of the top couple of picks in the draft.
- MadCap2008


Root against them and bet money while doing it. I lived by it in 2003-2004.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Mar 14 @ 9:22 AM ET
The Flyers look like a mess, but I would be hesitant to throw dirt on them yet. They made the finals in 2010 when they won a shootout on the last day of the season just to get in the playoffs. I still think the Ottawa/Toronto playoff slots are vulnerable, and the Flyers are probably the most likely team to slip in if one of those two teams nose dives. My Caps, on the other hand, look like toast - I can't root against them, but it would certainly be convenient if they got one of the top couple of picks in the draft.
- MadCap2008



You mean when the Sens nose dive....


I can't even say it with a straight face...
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Mar 14 @ 9:25 AM ET
it makes me sad everytime i hear about saad....

I wanted pens to get him and I remember being so pissed when they passed him up and then didnt trade down to get him in the second..

- nh4442

We drafted Morrow and Harrington that year right? You might feel better about it when you see them in the NHL. They appear to be pretty good players hopefully that translates to the NHL
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 14 @ 9:37 AM ET
it makes me sad everytime i hear about saad....

I wanted pens to get him and I remember being so pissed when they passed him up and then didnt trade down to get him in the second..

- nh4442


I know at the time we were all disappointed but we've got to be happy with what we've taken in the 1st and 2nd rounds:
1 23rd PIT Joseph Morrow
2 54th PIT Scott Harrington

Saad went 43rd in the 2nd. No way we'd get him with Morrow in the board..Shero is all about "best player available" (and normally it's a d)
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