Can you imagine and Edler/Phaneuf pairing?

That is a dream come true to the Eastern Conference.
- IanEsplen

surprised you are lambasting Edler that much... isn't he your best/highest paid defenseman?

Ah... yes someone finally figured it out... which is the very reason all the nonsense about trading Luongo for a kings ransom and no returning CAP hit was poppy-cock. Canucks need to add depth at center, all while reducing long-term CAP hit.

Mr. Gillis does indeed work in mysterious ways.

I suggested Luongo and Edler (prior to his signing) to Toronto for Komisarek, Gunnarson, MacArthur and 3rd round pick or similar. Maybe... just maybe that doesn't sound so crazy - albeit unappetizing to the Canuckleheads now.

Oh well - never mind.


.... trebles in the water.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I'd be more interested in what Toronto is going to do if I were you.

11ufa/rfas and 17 million in space.

Going to be tight to bring back all the key pieces to that playoff roster.

surprised you are lambasting Edler that much... isn't he your best/highest paid defenseman?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Edler is Vancouver's D with the most upside. Personally, I'm a whole more comfortable when Garrison, Tanev, Bieksa and Hamhuis are on the ice this year.

He's actually not a lot better than Schroeder in a fourth line role. He's struggled there for most of the year (not surprising since he's a undersized rookie), and the consensus from most is that Mallett deserves the spot in the AHL and Friesen should be in K-zoo.

While Friesen may still see NHL games in the future, calling him up now would be a horrible move.
- Fosco

How's Schroeder's hits, fights and face offs?

Because I'm pretty sure Friesen is better at all those things then Schroeder.

Is Friesen an ideal 4th line centre? No. But is he the best fit right now? I think so.

Personally I'd deal a mid round pick and get another centre to play the role but Gillis won't do that.

ever wonder why it really hasn't gotten done?

Gillis has painted himself into a corner maybe... he has no CAP flexibility and turn around and signed his back-up to 4M per year... his boss(es) are going to can him when he approaches them for permission to buyout either Luongo (how many millions) and or Booth & Ballard.

repeat after me: Dead GM Walking.
- BorjeFan4Ever

The reason it hasn't get done is because MG still wants a pick, a top prospect, and a top6 roster player.

Your damn right a team would pick him up off waivers or offer a 5th rounder for him.

I'd be more interested in what Toronto is going to do if I were you.

11ufa/rfas and 17 million in space.

Going to be tight to bring back all the key pieces to that playoff roster.
- IanEsplen

pretty simple really... Komisarek and Liles are most likely dealt - and if not bought out, obviously Liles is much more easily dealt than Komisarek... and unlike the Luongo situation essentially nothing in return is essentially okay.

beyond that the RFAs that are likely to return won't require huge paychecks - most of them falling in the 1-2M/year range... and likely one or two of those will be dealt.

the only question marks are MacArthur, Bozak and Orr on the UFA front... only one of which will require a significant increase in pay, if he isn't dealt.

so in short the TML CAP situation is just fine... because our newly appointed GM was smart enough to waive Connolly (lazy 4M+ veteran), bench Komisarek (useless 4M+ veteran) and subsequently bench Liles (a not so useless but overpaid almost 4M veteran)... so all of that's pretty clear.

now the big fish... they know all about 4M+ overpaid veterans don't they....

How's Schroeder's hits, fights and face offs?

Because I'm pretty sure Friesen is better at all those things then Schroeder.

Is Friesen an ideal 4th line centre? No. But is he the best fit right now? I think so.

Personally
I'd deal a mid round pick and get another centre to play the role but Gillis won't do that.
- IanEsplen

This isn't a Schroeder vs. Friesen matter.

It's a matter of Friesen barely being an AHL 4th liner. There is no situation that makes him a best fit in the NHL.

Edit: and without the numbers in front of me, I'm pretty sure Friesen's AHL faceoff's numbers are worse than Schroeder's. Could be wrong, though.

Besides, the Canucks don't need a 4th line centre, that's where Lappy should be. They need a 2nd/3rd line C.

The reason it hasn't get done is because MG still wants a pick, a top prospect, and a top6 roster player.

Your damn right a team would pick him up off waivers or offer a 5th rounder for him.
- Fosco

yes - Mr. Gillis must have one fine grow going in his damp west coast back yard.

pretty simple really... Komisarek and Liles are most likely dealt - and if not bought out, obviously Liles is much more easily dealt than Komisarek... and unlike the Luongo situation essentially nothing in return is essentially okay.

beyond that the RFAs that are likely to return won't require huge paychecks - most of them falling in the 1-2M/year range... and likely one or two of those will be dealt.

the only question marks are MacArthur, Bozak and Orr on the UFA front... only one of which will require a significant increase in pay, if he isn't dealt.

so in short the TML CAP situation is just fine... because our newly appointed GM was smart enough to waive Connolly (lazy 4M+ veteran), bench Komisarek (useless 4M+ veteran) and subsequently bench Liles (a not so useless but overpaid almost 4M veteran)... so all of that's pretty clear.

now the big fish... they know all about 4M+ overpaid veterans don't they....
- BorjeFan4Ever

This isn't going to be another Toronto vs. Vancouver thread. Please leave.

I don't care how many Cups you have, or how great your prospects are...

I'd be more interested in what Toronto is going to do if I were you.

11ufa/rfas and 17 million in space.

Going to be tight to bring back all the key pieces to that playoff roster.
- IanEsplen

The Leafs will be fine next year. Komi and Liles will be gone. The following year, Tucker is finally off the books as well.

GMMG (or his replacement) has a lot more to worry about than Nonis.

Kassian has fallen from grace, no?
- CanadianTom

'Nucks should trade for Hodgson to increase their center depth.....

I'd be more interested in what Toronto is going to do if I were you.

11ufa/rfas and 17 million in space.

Going to be tight to bring back all the key pieces to that playoff roster.
- IanEsplen

Leafs are fine cap wise, of the 11 I can see 6 or 7 of them back. Kadri will get a nice raise, re-sign Bozak and Franson.

They should buyout Liles and Grabo, that would give them $26 million in space for 12 roster spots.

But who knows!

The Leafs will be fine next year. Komi and Liles will be gone. The following year, Tucker is finally off the books as well.

GMMG (or his replacement) has a lot more to worry about than Nonis.
- Canuckleafer

Yup, Canucks fans who like to trash the Leafs to make themselves feel better can't do it anymore, especially when you realize that some of the only positives going for the Canucks is because of Toronto's former and current GM. I don't get why they'd demote Schroeder for Ebbet at this point unless it's to clear some cap space or if AV and MG had a talk and AV said that Schroeder might as well be sent down since he's stuck here as a 4th liner. Either way, Gillis has a lot of work to do to fi this mess, not only for this year but the cap situation next year. A lot of people are assuming that Luongo, Ballard and Booth will all be gone, but teams only get one buyout and not every NHL team is lining up for those three guys. Hell, a team like the Islanders can pick and choose from a bunch of available overpaid players from 28 other NHL teams and there's a good chance they they'd prefer other players(probably ones with higher cap hits than actual real salary). Plus Edler and Burrows both have their extensions kicking in next year.

I still can't believe you haven't addressed the centre issue. I guess the sellers are waiting until closer to the deadline to realize they are sellers and get the highest value out of their players/rentals.

Based on the history of making deals with Florida, I bet Gillis was eyeing Stephen Weiss. Cross that off the list. Who would be left?

Patrik Elias - Highly doubt he's available. He's a career Devil and Jersey will most likely be a final week fringe playoff team.

Mike Ribeiro - Starting to click with Ovechkin. Wouldn't be surprised if they re-signed him. If not, it's a high-risk, high reward acquisition that would add scoring depth.

Tyler Bozak - Leafs are intight with his UFA status and the worry of causing a rift in the dressing room by moving him with 12 games left in the most promising season since 2 lockouts ago. But for the right price, Nonis could bite? P.S If Gillis wasn't a selfish (frank), word is you could of had Bozak,Kadri and a 3rd for Luongo at the draft. Gillis wanted more. How would your team be looking with that trade?

Derek Roy- Another fringe playoff team, as Dallas always is. Could be a nice depth pickup.

Vallteri Filippula - Could test the market in July, Detroit could entertain offers but it's tough to move him in such a tight race.


Obviously, alot of the quality rental centres are in the middle of a playoff race right now. I can see where Gillis could have issues acquiring players without giving away all your draft picks or promising prospects. Is your team really a cup contender this year? Window is closing for sure.

I'm a huge Leaf fan and hate the Habs and Sens but I like to see the Western teams succeed. Calgary is just easy to make fun of though, with the way they run they're team they might as well Toronto West. Get your poop together.

This isn't going to be another Toronto vs. Vancouver thread. Please leave.

I don't care how many Cups you have, or how great your prospects are...
- Scooby_Doo

I think we all saw this coming.

Leafs are fine cap wise, of the 11 I can see 6 or 7 of them back. Kadri will get a nice raise, re-sign Bozak and Franson.

They should buyout Liles and Grabo, that would give them $26 million in space for 12 roster spots.

But who knows!
- TML93

Armstrong and Tucker already take 2 mill off our cap next year. Final year then were free!

Komisarek is one of our buyouts. Liles very well could be the other one. Can't see us buying out Grabo, he brings too much to our club. We would pursue a trade first.

I still can't believe you haven't addressed the centre issue. I guess the sellers are waiting until closer to the deadline to realize they are sellers and get the highest value out of their players/rentals.


Based on the history of making deals with Florida, I bet Gillis was eyeing Stephen Weiss. Cross that off the list. Who would be left?

Patrik Elias - Highly doubt he's available. He's a career Devil andJersey will most likely be a final week fringe playoff team.

Mike Ribeiro - Starting to click with Ovechkin. Wouldn't be surprised if they re-signed him. If not, it's a high-risk, high reward acquisition that would add scoring depth.

Tyler Bozak - Leafs are intight with his UFA status and the worry of causing a rift in the dressing room by moving him with 12 games left in the most promising season since 2 lockouts ago. But for the right price, Nonis could bite? P.S If Gillis wasn't a selfish (frank), word is youcould of had Bozak,Kadri and a 3rd for Luongo at the draft. Gillis wanted more. How would your team be looking with that trade?

Derek Roy- Another fringe playoff team, as Dallas always is. Could be a nice depth pickup.
Vallteri Filippula - Could test the market in July, Detroit could entertain offers but it's tough to move him in such a tight race.


Obviously, alot of the quality rental centres are in the middle of a playoff race right now. I can see where Gillis could have issues acquiring players without giving away all your draft picks or promising prospects. Is your team really a cup contender this year? Window is closing for sure.

I'm a huge Leaf fan and hate the Habs and Sens but I like to see the Western teams succeed. Calgary is just easy to make fun of though, with the way they run they're team they might as well Toronto West. Get your poop together.
- t_leafs21

He is terrible. That is all. You will not win with that guy.

I still can't believe you haven't addressed the centre issue. I guess the sellers are waiting until closer to the deadline to realize they are sellers and get the highest value out of their players/rentals.


Based on the history of making deals with Florida, I bet Gillis was eyeing Stephen Weiss. Cross that off the list. Who would be left?

Patrik Elias - Highly doubt he's available. He's a career Devil andJersey will most likely be a final week fringe playoff team.

Mike Ribeiro - Starting to click with Ovechkin. Wouldn't be surprised if they re-signed him. If not, it's a high-risk, high reward acquisition that would add scoring depth.

Tyler Bozak - Leafs are intight with his UFA status and the worry of causing a rift in the dressing room by moving him with 12 games left in the most promising season since 2 lockouts ago. But for the right price, Nonis could bite? P.S If Gillis wasn't a selfish (frank), word is youcould of had Bozak,Kadri and a 3rd for Luongo at the draft. Gillis wanted more. How would your team be looking with that trade?

Derek Roy- Another fringe playoff team, as Dallas always is. Could be a nice depth pickup.

Vallteri Filippula - Could test the market in July, Detroit could entertain offers but it's tough to move him in such a tight race.


Obviously, alot of the quality rental centres are in the middle of a playoff race right now. I can see where Gillis could have issues acquiring players without giving away all your draft picks or promising prospects. Is your team really a cup contender this year? Window is closing for sure.

I'm a huge Leaf fan and hate the Habs and Sens but I like to see the Western teams succeed. Calgary is just easy to make fun of though, with the way they run they're team they might as well Toronto West. Get your poop together.
- t_leafs21

I totally agree with you that centers are hard to come by, which is why I hated the trade at the time and would have preferred MG to acquire another great young center in return or perhaps a d-man of the same quality, defencemen and centers are always at a premium in this league. The funny thing is that some Canucks fan want Kesler gone as well.

'Nucks should trade for Hodgson to increase their center depth.....
- RynoBull

Original

He is terrible. That is all. You will not win with that guy.
- RynoBull

He's put up some nice point totals, but I'm guessing that a lot of that was playing with Vanek and/or Pominville with first line minutes and top PP time? Alot of people don't realize that the difference between first line minutes and first PP minutes plus usage and quality of linemates/competition can make a pretty big difference with goal and point totals(for better or worse). A first liner on a crappy team would actually look better on that team than a a second liner on a good team in most cases, unless his coach doesn't use him favourably in those bigger minutes.

surprised you are lambasting Edler that much... isn't he your best/highest paid defenseman?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Edler and Kesler are the ones to blame for everything!!!!!!!!

'Nucks should trade for Hodgson to increase their center depth.....
- RynoBull

for this thread. Nobody asks me for goalie stats anymore.

for this thread. Nobody asks me for goalie stats anymore.
- systemtool

The Sedins for Scrivens?

If Canuck fans want a coaching change, they have to start chanting "Fire Vigneault" during home games. It worked in TO with Wilson.

Why the Lindy Ruff obsession?!? Typical big-name-itis... I hate that.

He reminds me of AV... Doesn't adjust his system to his players, always had elite goaltending to bail him out (Hasek/Miller), and harder to get rid of than a (frank)ing cockroach.