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BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 11 @ 10:09 AM ET
In favor of LEIGHTON.
- NickTheKid87

I can't wrap my brain around this.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 11 @ 10:10 AM ET
last night I saw a player (Rinaldo) get 2 and 10 for charging the boards. now I see this:

http://aol.sportingnews.c...sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D281872

gotta love the officiating sometimes

- nastyflyergirl


SCOREBOARD! SCOREBOARD! SCOREBOARD!

Probably one of the worst chants in the world.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 11 @ 10:10 AM ET
Yeah, I was terribly sad to see how much Rinaldo abused those poor back boards on that charging call.
- johndewar


Very poor call imo. Rinaldo is really growing on me. He's become a very effective player.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 11 @ 10:10 AM ET
In favor of LEIGHTON.
- NickTheKid87


Guess you really are gunning for seth jones lol....
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Mar 11 @ 10:11 AM ET
There is a good core to build on. Something is missing though. Meszaros hasn't looked very good in these two games. Not sure if it's rust or if he's still injured. Probably a bit of both.
- PLindbergh31


I was so excited to have someone actually have a point shot I thought he played decently...
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 11 @ 10:13 AM ET
I was so excited to have someone actually have a point shot I thought he played decently...
- FlyersGrace


He was ok. Seems to me like he's holding back. Hopefully the more games he gets under his belt the more comfortable he will be. Afterall the guy has played like 6 games in the last calendar year. Have to cut him some slack.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Mar 11 @ 10:14 AM ET
22 year old kid in a new country, new surroundings, new team, new league, different size ice surface.

If I was 22 and faced all of those hurdles, my goal would be to try not to poop my drawers. Bobrovsky handled himself as well as can be expected. And he played well considering all the obstacles.

- PLindbergh31

he was zubrused...
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 11 @ 10:14 AM ET
Guess you really are gunning for seth jones lol....
- Philly1980


Tbh I'd be way more comfortable if they picked MacKinnon or Drouin over Jones with the 1st overall pick (which I doubt they'll have). I'd be happier if the took Jones though but with this media and fanbase, if they guy wasn't a legit #1 in 3 years, people would be calling for his head. I don't know how mentally tough he is but he'd need to be in the upper echelon.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 11 @ 10:14 AM ET
last night I saw a player (Rinaldo) get 2 and 10 for charging the boards. now I see this:

http://aol.sportingnews.c...sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D281872

gotta love the officiating sometimes

- nastyflyergirl

That Prospal penalty is ridiculous. That's not even worth two minutes, imo.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 11 @ 10:16 AM ET
Tbh I'd be way more comfortable if they picked MacKinnon or Drouin over Jones with the 1st overall pick (which I doubt they'll have). I'd be happier if the took Jones though but with this media and fanbase, if they guy wasn't a legit #1 in 3 years, people would be calling for his head. I don't know how mentally tough he is but he'd need to be in the upper echelon.
- NickTheKid87


they will not get the #1 pick. zero chance of that happening.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 11 @ 10:16 AM ET
Tbh I'd be way more comfortable if they picked MacKinnon or Drouin over Jones with the 1st overall pick (which I doubt they'll have). I'd be happier if the took Jones though but with this media and fanbase, if they guy wasn't a legit #1 in 3 years, people would be calling for his head. I don't know how mentally tough he is but he'd need to be in the upper echelon.
- NickTheKid87


Another forward/center..... ... I know what you meant though...THose guyse are top six for sure.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 11 @ 10:17 AM ET
they will not get the #1 pick. zero chance of that happening.
- hammarby31


Acutally if they just miss the playoffs there is a .5% chance. or a 1 in 200 chance

here are the odds.

Team 1 25.0%
Team 2 18.8%
Team 3 14.2%
Team 4 10.7%
Team 5 8.1%
Team 6 6.2%
Team 7 4.7%
Team 8 3.6%
Team 9 2.7%
Team 10 2.1%
Team 11 1.5%
Team 12 1.1%
Team 13 0.8%
Team 14 0.5%
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 11 @ 10:18 AM ET
they will not get the #1 pick. zero chance of that happening.
- hammarby31


Not if they miss the playoffs. Every non-playoff team gets a shot.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 11 @ 10:19 AM ET
Another forward/center..... ... I know what you meant though...THose guyse are top six for sure.
- Philly1980


MacKinnon could be a superstar, franchise player. Of course, Jones could be too but with the Flyers, I think MacKinnon would be their best bet at getting a stud. Not sold on Drouin yet.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Mar 11 @ 10:19 AM ET
Awesome post. Homer is going to have a hard time ever justifying the Bob trade. There was no need to move him at the time he did.
- The_Universe


I Adore Bob. Truly I do, and what some of you are not realizing is that Homer trading him was awesome for Bob. He is getting his shot in net in Columbus. Do we miss him? Sure. But the Flyers were all in on Bryz. No question. And there was concern that Bob was giving him some uneeded pressure as Bryz felt his job might be in jeopardy by the young gun behind him. So we moved Bob. Good move for Bob's career and it left Bryz to prove himself with one less excuse.

I don't mind the trade because I wanted Bob to prove he was more than just a high priced back-up in the NHL. And it gave Bryz the message that management was backing him...

I thought at the time (and still do) he got traded on the cheap and we could have gotten more. But I'm not a GM...

EDIT: This was Leight. You guys covered all my points already... I shoulda known!
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 11 @ 10:19 AM ET
Rinaldo is really growing on me. He's become a very effective player.
- PLindbergh31


Same here. I really like how he's working to improve his reputation.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 11 @ 10:20 AM ET
When will Scott Hartnell get his timing back?

Since his return:

8 GP, 1 G, 2 A, 3 Pts, -2

He registered as many hits last night as I did.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 11 @ 10:20 AM ET
Not if they miss the playoffs. Every non-playoff team gets a shot.
- NickTheKid87


How does it work exactly? I'm not sure if there is new draft rules or what. Do the 14 non playoff teams go into a lottery? Worst team having the best chance to win, while the team with the best record who misses the playoffs likely selecting with the # 14 pick?
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 11 @ 10:20 AM ET
MacKinnon could be a superstar, franchise player. Of course, Jones could be too but with the Flyers, I think MacKinnon would be their best bet at getting a stud. Not sold on Drouin yet.
- NickTheKid87


True you could pretty much get 99% of the NHL defenseman with the top pick.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 11 @ 10:22 AM ET
How does it work exactly? I'm not sure if there is new draft rules or what. Do the 14 non playoff teams go into a lottery? Worst team having the best chance to win, while the team with the best record who misses the playoffs likely selecting with the # 14 pick?
- PLindbergh31

Team 1 25.0%
Team 2 18.8%
Team 3 14.2%
Team 4 10.7%
Team 5 8.1%
Team 6 6.2%
Team 7 4.7%
Team 8 3.6%
Team 9 2.7%
Team 10 2.1%
Team 11 1.5%
Team 12 1.1%
Team 13 0.8%
Team 14 0.5%
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 11 @ 10:22 AM ET
Acutally if they just miss the playoffs there is a .5% chance. or a 1 in 200 chance

here are the odds.

Team 1 25.0%
Team 2 18.8%
Team 3 14.2%
Team 4 10.7%
Team 5 8.1%
Team 6 6.2%
Team 7 4.7%
Team 8 3.6%
Team 9 2.7%
Team 10 2.1%
Team 11 1.5%
Team 12 1.1%
Team 13 0.8%
Team 14 0.5%

- Philly1980


Hypothetically speaking, if the Flyers finish with the 8th worst overall record in the NHL, I fully expect them to pick 14th.

If Holmgren trades the first round pick, the team who gets it will pick in the top 3.

Lead pipe, great white shark, african lion, cashmere, lock.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 11 @ 10:23 AM ET
How does it work exactly? I'm not sure if there is new draft rules or what. Do the 14 non playoff teams go into a lottery? Worst team having the best chance to win, while the team with the best record who misses the playoffs likely selecting with the # 14 pick?
- PLindbergh31


Yes. Winning the lottery is now getting the #1 overall pick instead of the 5 worst teams potentially moving up 2 spots or whatever it was. So whoever wins the lottery, I believe everyone else is bumped down.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 11 @ 10:23 AM ET
Not if they miss the playoffs. Every non-playoff team gets a shot.
- NickTheKid87


what i'm saying is even if they were the worst team, as in 2007, they still wouldn't end up with the top pick. i have my doom and gloom hat on today.
Pyzik
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Flemington, NJ
Joined: 01.18.2008

Mar 11 @ 10:24 AM ET
did they change the rules?....I thought a team who wins the lottery could only move up a max of 5 draft positions. NJ won the lottery a few years back and moved up to like 8th or 9th...
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 11 @ 10:24 AM ET
Hypothetically speaking, if the Flyers finish with the 8th worst overall record in the NHL, I fully expect them to pick 14th.

If Holmgren trades the first round pick, the team who gets it will pick in the top 3.

Lead pipe, great white shark, african lion, cashmere, lock.

- PLindbergh31


I think if you finished with the 8th worst record, the worst you could pick would be 9th, if I understand correctly.

Edit: If the 3rd worse team won the lottery, the worst would pick 2nd, and then the rest would fall into place correctly but if the 9th worst team won, then the worse would pick 2nd and so on until the 10th worst team picks 10th.
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