At the end of it all, the issues to me are much larger than a system, or the current coach.

The stem from a lack of direction, identity, patience and structure from the top of the organization.
- flyer_nutter

The single biggest issue with this team right now, is without a doubt the Coach. He has failed to adjust to his personel. And he has failed to correct the repeated errors on the ice. In which a lot of those errors, are due to that failure to adjust.

Every team above the Flyers this season has shown more consistency as a group then they have.
- flyer_nutter

Its naive to think that no other team has players with consistency issues,
the flyers have several though right now, and that's not a winning combination.

Coburn's inconsistency is known. Timmonen, on the other hand, has been a consistent player his whole career, but not his age has caught up with him, and he can't be that consistent player anymore, which is a shame.

Quite simple. A player who ignores the Coaches direction and decides to do it his way, simply doesn't play. Doesn't get PP time. Has his ice time reduced, etc.
- MJL

Flyers down by a goal on a PP in the last two minutes of the game. Do you really want to see Talbot out there? Gervais on the point?

Flyers down by a goal on a PP in the last two minutes of the game. Do you really want to see Talbot out there? Gervais on the point?
- 77rams

No I don't. Why would they be out there?

The single biggest issue with this team right now, is without a doubt the Coach. He has failed to adjust to his personel. And he has failed to correct the repeated errors on the ice. In which a lot of those errors, are due to that failure to adjust.
- MJL

What identity do the Flyers have right now?

Or have they had for the past few seasons. You dont have to list them all.

Quite simple. A player who ignores the Coaches direction and decides to do it his way, simply doesn't play. Doesn't get PP time. Has his ice time reduced, etc.
- MJL

That I agree with.

But, some of those decision might have been taken out of Lavi's hand with the TDL fast approaching. Might.

What identity do the Flyers have right now?

Or have they had for the past few seasons. You dont have to list them all.
- flyer_nutter

I don't care what identity they have. I care about how they play on the ice.

Flyers down by a goal on a PP in the last two minutes of the game. Do you really want to see Talbot out there? Gervais on the point?
- 77rams

In theory no, but I don't want to see a guy with 1 goal and an assist sitting while another player who is -3 on the night get the chance on the last minute of the game, just because of their names (rinaldo vs. briere)

Lava certainly has benched/cut minutes from guys for far less.

That I agree with.

But, some of those decision might have been taken out of Lavi's hand with the TDL fast approaching. Might.
- wolfhounds

If a Coach using the tools he has to discipline players who are not following direction, then it is up to the GM to do what he has to do.

Its naive to think that no other team has players with consistency issues,
the flyers have several though right now, and that's not a winning combination.

Coburn's inconsistency is known. Timmonen, on the other hand, has been a consistent player his whole career, but not his age has caught up with him, and he can't be that consistent player anymore, which is a shame.
- the deaninator

What I am getting at it the top teams show consistency in their games. That is what makes them the best, and it starts with every player.

The Flyers for years now have been absolute dynamite one night, and horsepoop 3 nights later.

No I don't. Why would they be out there?
- MJL

Your top players have been playing in third gear so you just cut their PP time.

I don't care what identity they have. I care about how they play on the ice.
- MJL

So an indentity is not a key to winning a Stanley Cup?

Coaches have talked about identity for years, and not just here. Boston, Chicago and Detriot do not have an identity as an organization?

Or they just sign a bunch of guys and throw the on the ice. That structure and direction you speak of, needs to start at the top.

So an indentity is not a key to winning a Stanley Cup?

Coaches have talked about identity for years, and not just here. Boston, Chicago and Detriot do not have an identity as an organization?

Or they just sign a bunch of guys and throw the on the ice. That structure and direction you speak of, needs to start at the top.
- flyer_nutter

They can start that structure by buying out Bryz and Briere.

So an indentity is not a key to winning a Stanley Cup?

Coaches have talked about identity for years, and not just here. Boston, Chicago and Detriot do not have an identity as an organization?

Or they just sign a bunch of guys and throw the on the ice. That structure and direction you speak of, needs to start at the top.
- flyer_nutter

Just curious what are the identities of these team in your opinion ^^^

In theory no, but I don't want to see a guy with 1 goal and an assist sitting while another player who is -3 on the night get the chance on the last minute of the game, just because of their names (rinaldo vs. briere)

Lava certainly has benched/cut minutes from guys for far less.
- the deaninator

Maybe he's justified because he sees something we don't.

well i said we should sign semin in the off season looks like i was right he's a beast

The single biggest issue with this team right now, is without a doubt the Coach. He has failed to adjust to his personel. And he has failed to correct the repeated errors on the ice. In which a lot of those errors, are due to that failure to adjust.
- MJL

I think we all agree that a coach can only do so much.

The following players and their performance are big problems this season: Talbot, Couts, Briere, Gus, Gervais, Coburn, and Feds.

How is a coach supposed to address that many problems, especially with as many injuries as the Flyers have had? Add on top of that the inconsistent performance of this team's "best" players and there are some major issues.

They can start that structure by buying out Bryz and Briere.
- stveshdy

Trade Briere. Buy out Breeze.

Your top players have been playing in third gear so you just cut their PP time.
- 77rams

All of their top players are playing in 3rd gear?

well i said we should sign semin in the off season looks like i was right he's a beast
- 2Real

I wanted him as well but if I remember correctly he was the issue in Washington. That same team that stinks this year without him.

So an indentity is not a key to winning a Stanley Cup?

Coaches have talked about identity for years, and not just here. Boston, Chicago and Detriot do not have an identity as an organization?

Or they just sign a bunch of guys and throw the on the ice. That structure and direction you speak of, needs to start at the top.
- flyer_nutter

Not the identity that you speak of. Playing well and playing the right way, along with talent, and Coaching, is what wins Cups.

Just curious what are the identities of these team in your opinion ^^^
- FlyerInEdm

Detriot for years has been a club that is all about puck possession.

Boston is a tough physical club, that will grind you down and their strength is from the net out.

Chicago is an up-tempo, aggressive, initiate the play club that requires speed.

What I am getting at it the top teams show consistency in their games. That is what makes them the best, and it starts with every player.

The Flyers for years now have been absolute dynamite one night, and horsepoop 3 nights later.
- flyer_nutter

Don't get me wrong, I agree totally. I'm just saying this team has more "inconsistent" players on the roster than the teams above them. Which is why they are where they are right now.

Trade Briere. Buy out Breeze.
- 77rams

That works also. Need to start with those two in my opinion.

All of their top players are playing in 3rd gear?
- MJL

OTher than Simmonds, Grossmann, and Voracek, who's playing in first gear for the most part?