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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 9 @ 9:53 AM ET
I have no problem with 3 coaches in the space of a few months.

I don't see them getting any better under Laviolette, so I see no reason to keep him. Also, if Murray can do a really good job, maybe he earns a shot at the gig full time. He's far from my first choice, but he's been a good coach for a long time.

- Jsaquella


Not that this should play into their decision but didn't they just sign Lavi to an extension?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 9 @ 9:54 AM ET
Is it 1 or 2 buyouts that they are entitled to?
- section32

Two. IMO I'd buy out Briere twice.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 9 @ 9:54 AM ET
Two. IMO I'd buy out Briere twice.
- hereticpride


BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 9 @ 9:55 AM ET
Very fair points. Well stated. I guess my only opposition to bringing in an interim guy is if there is no improvement, then another coach is brought in to start the season next year. That is 3 different coaches in the course of a few months.
- PLindbergh31

Yeah, and it stars to feel like a carousel. I can feel you there, and how long until clownshoes Pannachio and his cohorts turn it into a 'thing'? Not that it matters much, but I could see that happening.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Mar 9 @ 9:55 AM ET
Not that this should play into their decision but didn't they just sign Lavi to an extension?
- stveshdy

That's the kiss of death in this town.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Mar 9 @ 9:56 AM ET
Yeah, and it stars to feel like a carousel. I can feel you there, and how long until clownshoes Pannachio and his cohorts turn it into a 'thing'? Not that it matters much, but I could see that happening.
- BulliesPhan87

Clownshoes
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 9 @ 9:57 AM ET
That's the kiss of death in this town.
- section32




isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Mar 9 @ 9:58 AM ET
You could be right. I would make changes at seasons end if need be. I don't like the idea of interim coaches.
- PLindbergh31

one thing i like about interim coaches is that the plyrs have to fight for jobs and that kind of accountability seems to be lacking...
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 9 @ 9:58 AM ET
I think the Bruins come out and set the tone. They score a couple quick goals and the Flyers will have to battle back. Problem is Boston plays solid defense and don't give the opponent much ice. I'm not confident at all. I think the Flyers lose another and its not close.
- stveshdy

I think the Flyers start strong, maybe even take an early lead. Then, at the ten minute mark in the first period, the Bruins take back the game and keep it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 9:59 AM ET
Backup goaltender is an important position for many reasons. You have seen the situation in Ottawa with Anderson. They have credible guys like Bishop and Lehner to hold down the fort.

If Boucher/Leighton were the backup in Ottawa, their season would be over already.

- PLindbergh31


Completely different conversation then Leighton screwing over the Flyers. And it also completely ignores that there was a situation where the Flyers lost their starter and Leighton and Boucher held down the fort.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 9 @ 10:01 AM ET
Clownshoes
- section32

The guy seriously seems like a professional wrestling 'manager' character to me, after his stupid little interview about the Bryz v WIP outrage. It was like he was told, "Play heel, and make sure to call out the crowd. If you could act smug and maybe a little bit seedy, that'd really sell it."
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 10:05 AM ET
Who would they be giving up to get Campbell?
- MJL


The cost to land a #1 d-man is crazy high, go the draft & develop route.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 10:07 AM ET
The cost to land a #1 d-man is crazy high, go the draft & develop route.
- ob18


Which could take as much as 5 years. That's the issue there.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Mar 9 @ 10:07 AM ET
Well, you have a team that plays undisciplined and poor on defense, you have slower defensemen that are not the greatest puck movers, you have a goalie who put up fantastic numbers behind a tight checking system.

So obviously, you run a hunt the puck system that relies on mobile defensemen or at least on ones who can move the puck well, and can be exposed by an aggressive forecheck.

Blame the coach for not adjusting, blame the GM for not doing a better job getting him the pieces, Hell, blame the owner for meddling and forcing the GM to make aggressive moves every summer.

But the constant chasing of other teams needs to stop. You can't be Phoenix's tight checking trap system, combined with NJ's aggressive forecheck, combined with Chicago's firepower and Boston's physical game.

- Jsaquella


This is an excellent post.
The Flyers are at their best when they play a physical aggressive type of game.
For me that has been their identity.
Hard to play against, ferocious forecheck, timely hits.
Guys like the Schenn brothers, Simmonds, Grossmann, Rinaldo, Hartnell are players that fit that identity. Giroux has the heart and high end skill to be a great captain for this team. Voracek adds another scoring threat. Ultimately I think Voracek and Schenn would make a great #2 line behind G and Hartsy, but find another winger for G.

I like this core group.

I think the GM needs to do a little better with getting solid defenseman for the third pair, a reliable back up goalie, and somehow find a player to replace Kimmo in the #1 spot. He also needs to cut ties with Briere who is doesn't have a spot as a center here in the long term.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 9 @ 10:07 AM ET
The cost to land a #1 d-man is crazy high, go the draft & develop route.
- ob18


Thats exactly why I dont want the Flyers to trade anymore picks.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Mar 9 @ 10:07 AM ET
one thing i like about interim coaches is that the plyrs have to fight for jobs and that kind of accountability seems to be lacking...
- isaiah520

Same thing with a new guy. I think Lavy should get a stay of execution. This team is worse than last year...period. He was dealt a crummy hand. They don't have the personnel to get the job done. Homer needs to get a top #1 D man and a real winger. No more band aids like Gagne or Knuble. No more giving the questionable youngsters a shot. Laughton, sure. But Harry Z...McGinn... We have too many youngsters on the big team now. Between G, Schenn x2, Cooter, Read, Gus, Rinaldo...yes they are full of potential and some are even world class, but the experience is lacking. And you can see it in their play right now. They don't the have answers that come with experience.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 9 @ 10:07 AM ET
The cost to land a #1 d-man is crazy high, go the draft & develop route.
- ob18

I wouldn't mind them drafting and developing this player, but I'd also like to have said #1 defenseman while Giroux is in his prime. I don't see the timing working out like that, except by trade/free agency.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 9 @ 10:08 AM ET
Which could take as much as 5 years. That's the issue there.
- MJL


Very true. They still could land a solid defenseman but its going to cost a young forward.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 10:08 AM ET
Which could take as much as 5 years. That's the issue there.
- MJL


They are in a spot that's bad. You make a move and open up more holes or you draft & develop and it takes time.

section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Mar 9 @ 10:09 AM ET
The guy seriously seems like a professional wrestling 'manager' character to me, after his stupid little interview about the Bryz v WIP outrage. It was like he was told, "Play heel, and make sure to call out the crowd. If you could act smug and maybe a little bit seedy, that'd really sell it."
- BulliesPhan87

Can't stand him. Always looking to stir up nonsense. Drives me nuts.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 10:09 AM ET
I wouldn't mind them drafting and developing this player, but I'd also like to have said #1 defenseman while Giroux is in his prime. I don't see the timing working out like that, except by trade/free agency.
- BulliesPhan87


Think of how many more holes you'd open up by trading for one & how empty you keep the system of future players if you do that.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 9 @ 10:10 AM ET
I think the Bruins come out and set the tone. They score a couple quick goals and the Flyers will have to battle back. Problem is Boston plays solid defense and don't give the opponent much ice. I'm not confident at all. I think the Flyers lose another and its not close.
- stveshdy


I agree. I hope I wrong but this team has come up small this week in a critical stretch. I think it'll take a miracle to make the playoffs if we lose to Boston and then buffalo.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 9 @ 10:12 AM ET
This is an excellent post.
The Flyers are at their best when they play a physical aggressive type of game.
For me that has been their identity.
Hard to play against, ferocious forecheck, timely hits.
Guys like the Schenn brothers, Simmonds, Grossmann, Rinaldo, Hartnell are players that fit that identity. Giroux has the heart and high end skill to be a great captain for this team. Voracek adds another scoring threat. Ultimately I think Voracek and Schenn would make a great #2 line behind G and Hartsy, but find another winger for G.

I like this core group.

I think the GM needs to do a little better with getting solid defenseman for the third pair, a reliable back up goalie, and somehow find a player to replace Kimmo in the #1 spot. He also needs to cut ties with Briere who is doesn't have a spot as a center here in the long term.

- Marc D


The problem is, when they get a lead and back off the throttle, the system they play becomes completely punchless. Its tough to play that way all the time. Laviolette has done a very poor job in adjusting how this team plays in certain situations.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 10:15 AM ET
Same thing with a new guy. I think Lavy should get a stay of execution. This team is worse than last year...period. He was dealt a crummy hand. They don't have the personnel to get the job done. Homer needs to get a top #1 D man and a real winger. No more band aids like Gagne or Knuble. No more giving the questionable youngsters a shot. Laughton, sure. But Harry Z...McGinn... We have too many youngsters on the big team now. Between G, Schenn x2, Cooter, Read, Gus, Rinaldo...yes they are full of potential and some are even world class, but the experience is lacking. And you can see it in their play right now. They don't the have answers that come with experience.
- section32


The issue here, is what is the definition of getting the job done? You don't think this team is underachieving? Other Coaches have been dealt a crummier hand and are getting more out of their team then Laviolette is. Make no mistake about it. This team is very talented.
And Knuble was just adding depth. He's 40 years old. But Gagne can still play and is far from a band aid.
I think a defenseman is true need. But they have plenty on the Wings.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 9 @ 10:15 AM ET
I agree. I hope I wrong but this team has come up small this week in a critical stretch. I think it'll take a miracle to make the playoffs if we lose to Boston and then buffalo.
- Hextall271


The team has talent but defensively (everyone) they are a mess. There is no structure in their own end and it looks like they just skate around not knowing where to be. The coach hasn't change his approach and therefore the results are the same.

It could get ugly today, IMO.
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