they'll turn it around

HA! No you couldn't. I guarantee you that. But, if you insist:

Devan Dubnyk should get the same as anything the Canucks could get for Schneider.

Sam Gagner is at least an average 2nd line center.

Jeff Petry is a top-4 Dman on most teams in the NHL.

Ladislav Smid is a top-notch PKer and shot blocker but isn't good for much else.

Ales Hemsky is a skilled top-6 playmaker.

The thing is, the bar has yet to be set when it comes to post-lockout trades so I couldn't give you any definitive values on those players. What do you want me to evaluate them by? The pick(s) they would garner in a trade with the ideal trade partner? I need more parameters for this.
- MaximumBone

Fans of teams Always over value their own players.

Your assessments were all best case scenarios and I don't want to poke an obviously angry tiger here but a few of them made me chuckle.

Give him a break his team just got their butt whooped by (before tonight) the lowest scoring team in the NHL.. Oiler fans are a bit touchy after that loss lol
- Babalu88

Damn right we're touchy. We know what's wrong with our team more than any other team's fans so we damn well don't need you goofs stampeding in here "informing" us of our team's problems as you (often wrongly) perceive them. You're free to state your opinions, but they'll be met with harsh rebuttal if you voice them inappropriately.

Fans of teams Always over value their own players.

Your assessments were all best case scenarios and I don't want to poke an obviously angry tiger here but a few of them made me chuckle.
- aeberg

Please enlighten me, oh glorious, all-knowing talent evaluator! Which of those were so outlandish that they made you chuckle?

EDIT: Sorry, I'm going a tad overboard with the snarkiness, but I would honestly like to know.

Please enlighten me, oh glorious, all-knowing talent evaluator! Which of those were so outlandish that they made you chuckle?

EDIT: Sorry, I'm going a tad overboard with the snarkiness, but I would honestly like to know.
- MaximumBone

Devan Dubnyk should get the same as anything the Canucks could get for Schneider.

Devan Dubnyk should get the same as anything the Canucks could get for Schneider.
- Crazycaboose

- wingz4life

Made me too haha

Please enlighten me, oh glorious, all-knowing talent evaluator! Which of those were so outlandish that they made you chuckle?
- MaximumBone

The Dubnyk and Gagner ones.

Could you drop the sarcasm?

after dubnyk gave up that goal from outside the blueline i gave up on him. Real goalies don't give up goals like that. We need a back up right now though danis is good to sit on the bench but as shown tonight h'es over his head in the NHL. I did like the MPS ganger yakipov line they wre the oilers best line tonight had some chances had all of the chances really aside from jones. The hall RNH eberle line was hte worst line tonight. Hall looks fine RNH and eberle seem to be half assing it right now. Whats their problem anyway? The way they are playing right now they aren't Untouchable in my books. (Frankin) awful game tonight i'm gonna chock it up to poor goaltending more then anything else they wre in it righ until that second goal and even after that they played the game better then they played the wings. Still a bloody awful game. Take your wife to the movies Richard, be a good break from crappy hockey games... LOL

Im tired of this (frank)ing bullpoop management we have to put up with. Whats Krueger doing? Serious. YELL at these kids. This is unacceptable. 6-0 to one of the lowest scoring teams in the whole NHL. What a discrace he should be ripping the players but no he has to craddle them like babys and feel sorry for them. Honestly if they arent putting 100% EVERY shift they should get benched. This team is a bunch of undisciplined losers who dont care about winnng and the vets dont help cause they could carre less. Fire Krueger and take Ruff while he's still available. We need an experienced coach who gets the job done and can send the write messages into the players heads. This is pathetic.

Devan Dubnyk should get the same as anything the Canucks could get for Schneider.
- Crazycaboose

In terms of what the two have proven, what would make you say that they aren't worth about the same? Dubnyk may have worse numbers, but he's getting those numbers behind a flaccid defense as opposed to Schneider getting his numbers on a President's Trophy winner. I can recognize that Schneider could have more value because he hasn't necessarily been a starter yet and, as such, could still be seen to have more upside, but that doesn't justify your assertion.

I'm helping you plan your parade...

Seriously though. You mentioned the age of the team. Yes THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM. You want them to play like 25+ year old vets, but they won't. It's a little boys club. EDM needs to trade one of their top 6 for a early 30's VETERAN who can be top 6 and slap the crap out your little babies when they need it done. Somebody who has been there, done that. You need a C. Something crazy.

Option 1: Trade Nail + 1st or Nuge +1st to Dallas for MORROW and 2nd. Make him the captain.

Option 2: Trade Hall, Yak, 1st to NYR for Callahan & Del Zotto OR Staal. New C who has some actual HEART. You get a top 4 D man with experience. Sends the message to the team that NO YOU ARE NOT UNTOUCHABLE. Quit playing like babies or we'll ship your butt out for people who will WILL play.

I don't see Edmonton getting better even if you do draft 1st again. You'll bring in another kid. Throw him in the fire. And continue to basically field the Oil Kings A squad in the NHL. Draft for WHAT YOU NEED. Don't take the best player on the board. You need a big 1D guy? Draft JONES. You need a big gritty Crosby-Like top 6. Take Drouin. BUT MACKINNON BETTER? No. You don't need another cupcake sized my little pony forward. You don't need skill forwards. You need to draft a GERD DERM PERWER FERWERD. Trade down, get what you need, improve your assets with that trade. But nope. With the first overall selection, Edmonton selects Nathan MacKinnon. I think Philly's goalie weighs more than your entire top line...

The Dubnyk and Gagner ones.

Could you drop the sarcasm?
- aeberg

Yeah, I'm sorry about the snarkiness. I try to avoid doing that as it doesn't help my argument in the slightest, but sometimes the regurgitation of the points you raised get to me. Again, my apologies.

On the note of our debate, I just explained the Dubnyk one and I can see where some people may disagree, but in what world is Gagner NOT a 2nd line centre? Can you explain your reasoning?

I'm helping you plan your parade...

Seriously though. You mentioned the age of the team. Yes THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM. You want them to play like 25+ year old vets, but they won't. It's a little boys club. EDM needs to trade one of their top 6 for a early 30's VETERAN who can be top 6 and slap the crap out your little babies when they need it done. Somebody who has been there, done that. You need a C. Something crazy.

Option 1: Trade Nail + 1st or Nuge +1st to Dallas for MORROW and 2nd. Make him the captain.

Option 2: Trade Hall, Yak, 1st to NYR for Callahan & Del Zotto OR Staal. New C who has some actual HEART. You get a top 4 D man with experience. Sends the message to the team that NO YOU ARE NOT UNTOUCHABLE. Quit playing like babies or we'll ship your butt out for people who will WILL play.
- MisterC

What? You aren't serious, are you?

It's really rough seeing the first line especially be unproductive for two whole games. The Preds and Wings don't strike me as "shut-down" defensive teams and the boys don't seem undisciplined so I'm baffled. Unless there's a huge problem with the D as well. Sadly, I haven't been able to catch up on the Oilers with the Avs being in two nail-biters before Friday's game.

Here's hoping the boys pick themselves up and beat Chicago in their turf. And if not, they can always run the Avs over.

I'm helping you plan your parade...

Seriously though. You mentioned the age of the team. Yes THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM. You want them to play like 25+ year old vets, but they won't. It's a little boys club. EDM needs to trade one of their top 6 for a early 30's VETERAN who can be top 6 and slap the crap out your little babies when they need it done. Somebody who has been there, done that. You need a C. Something crazy.

Option 1: Trade Nail + 1st or Nuge +1st to Dallas for MORROW and 2nd. Make him the captain.

Option 2: Trade Hall, Yak, 1st to NYR for Callahan & Del Zotto OR Staal. New C who has some actual HEART. You get a top 4 D man with experience. Sends the message to the team that NO YOU ARE NOT UNTOUCHABLE. Quit playing like babies or we'll ship your butt out for people who will WILL play.

I don't see Edmonton getting better even if you do draft 1st again. You'll bring in another kid. Throw him in the fire. And continue to basically field the Oil Kings A squad in the NHL. Draft for WHAT YOU NEED. Don't take the best player on the board. You need a big 1D guy? Draft JONES. You need a big gritty Crosby-Like top 6. Take Drouin. BUT MACKINNON BETTER? No. You don't need another cupcake sized my little pony forward. You don't need skill forwards. You need to draft a GERD DERM PERWER FERWERD. Trade down, get what you need, improve your assets with that trade. But nope. With the first overall selection, Edmonton selects Nathan MacKinnon. I think Philly's goalie weighs more than your entire top line...
- MisterC

Dallas or NYR would be lucky if Edmonton did either of those trades straight up without the 1st's involved. Seriously bad bad stuff.

I would say the problem starts with the owner, as ultimately, it's his team. Too busy listening to stories about the "good years" and counting all the cash he is making to pay attention to the fact the good years was over 20 years ago, and the team has been going in the opposite direction since tweedledee and when tweedledee jr came, it's become double the bad.

RNH is injured, it's pretty apparent he should be on the shelf. Hey, why not repeat the Souray situation all over again, sure worked out great for the Oilers last time.

Ebs I heard from the stream of the wings game (from the Detroit announcers to boot, who sure seemed to know a lot more about the Oilers than the main stream Edmonton media do) that he has a right hand injury (Index I believe) and he wasn't able to get the puck up high because of it. (Makes sense, was wondering why after watching him)

The most pathetic thing about the Detroit game, listening to the Detroit announcers talking about how badly the team was doing, how badly put together it was, pointing out all the needs this team has had for years and the constant excuses that the Oilers were "rebuilding". As one of them put it... (I'm paraphrasing, this is the jist of it)"How long is this rebuild going to go on? It's at the point that next year if this team is still as bad, then it's not a rebuild, it's a failed rebuild"

They pointed it right out, just like a couple local media guys are finally starting to. This team has been run to the ground by Management and the old boys network.

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... What? You aren't serious, are you?
- MaximumBone

He's got more heart than your entire team combined. Edmonton needs a leader.

Pay for one. Show your team and your fans that a guy like that is worth what you're paying him and what you're trading him for. Morrow is a leader and a warrior. Pay him, trade for him. He's got that thing. Your other option is trading your ENTIRE top line to Tampa for Lecav. Because he's got more leadership and heart in his left butt cheek than the entire Oilers organization. Edmonton needs leadership. Pay for it. Make the player the C, pay him like the C, treat him like the C. You don't have one. You need one. And a player like that, who you want to be your Yzerman, your Sakic. You NEED THAT guy. And no, Hemsky a 2nd and turd isn't going to cut it for a trade. Get off your high horse, dump one of the top 6 and bring in a captain. Leadership is required, no absolutely needed. If you don't, EDM can draft 1st overall for the next 20 years and keep finishing last.

Zero heart, zero leadership.

Yeah, I'm sorry about the snarkiness. I try to avoid doing that as it doesn't help my argument in the slightest, but sometimes the regurgitation of the points you raised get to me. Again, my apologies.

On the note of our debate, I just explained the Dubnyk one and I can see where some people may disagree, but in what world is Gagner NOT a 2nd line centre? Can you explain your reasoning?
- MaximumBone

Gagner strikes me as a Tyler Bozak type. Neither would be in the position they are if the team had better options. I could be wrong but Gagner and Bozak seem like third line centers to me.

He's got more heart than your entire team combined. Edmonton needs a leader.

Pay for one. Show your team and your fans that a guy like that is worth what you're paying him and what you're trading him for. Morrow is a leader and a warrior. Pay him, trade for him. He's got that thing. Your other option is trading your ENTIRE top line to Tampa for Lecav. Because he's got more leadership and heart in his left butt cheek than the entire Oilers organization. Edmonton needs leadership. Pay for it. Make the player the C, pay him like the C, treat him like the C. You don't have one. You need one. And a player like that, who you want to be your Yzerman, your Sakic. You NEED THAT guy. And no, Hemsky a 2nd and turd isn't going to cut it for a trade. Get off your high horse, dump one of the top 6 and bring in a captain. Leadership is required, no absolutely needed. If you don't, EDM can draft 1st overall for the next 20 years and keep finishing last.

Zero heart, zero leadership.
- MisterC

Ohhh.
A troll!
How cute

He's got more heart than your entire team combined. Edmonton needs a leader.

Pay for one. Show your team and your fans that a guy like that is worth what you're paying him and what you're trading him for. Morrow is a leader and a warrior. Pay him, trade for him. He's got that thing. Your other option is trading your ENTIRE top line to Tampa for Lecav. Because he's got more leadership and heart in his left butt cheek than the entire Oilers organization. Edmonton needs leadership. Pay for it. Make the player the C, pay him like the C, treat him like the C. You don't have one. You need one. And a player like that, who you want to be your Yzerman, your Sakic. You NEED THAT guy. And no, Hemsky a 2nd and turd isn't going to cut it for a trade. Get off your high horse, dump one of the top 6 and bring in a captain. Leadership is required, no absolutely needed. If you don't, EDM can draft 1st overall for the next 20 years and keep finishing last.

Zero heart, zero leadership.
- MisterC

So you're suggesting that we trade a 20 year old 1st line C OR a 19 year old potential 40-goal, one-shot scoring winger and a 1st round pick this year for a 34 year old 2/3 line LW with "leadership" and a 2nd?

Gagner strikes me as a Tyler Bozak type. Neither would be in the position they are if the team had better options. I could be wrong but Gagner and Bozak seem like third line centers to me.
- aeberg

Alright, I can see where you're coming from there, but I can't endorse your idea. I'll agree that they're similar players, but I maintain that Gagner has greater offensive potential (and silkier mitts) than Bozak has. I may be wrong, though

So you're suggesting that we trade a 20 year old 1st line C OR a 19 year old potential 40-goal, one-shot scoring winger and a 1st round pick this year for a 34 year old 2/3 line LW with "leadership" and a 2nd?
- MaximumBone

Although I can't always be sure, I've got a strong feeling this fella is trolling you.

No intelligent hockey fan would ever seriously say what he just did.

Although I can't always be sure, I've got a strong feeling this fella is trolling you.

No intelligent hockey fan would ever seriously say what he just did.
- aeberg

If that's the case, he can't be trolling me until I grant him a sufficient reaction.

I'm helping you plan your parade...

Seriously though. You mentioned the age of the team. Yes THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM. You want them to play like 25+ year old vets, but they won't. It's a little boys club. EDM needs to trade one of their top 6 for a early 30's VETERAN who can be top 6 and slap the crap out your little babies when they need it done. Somebody who has been there, done that. You need a C. Something crazy.

Option 1: Trade Nail + 1st or Nuge +1st to Dallas for MORROW and 2nd. Make him the captain.

Option 2: Trade Hall, Yak, 1st to NYR for Callahan & Del Zotto OR Staal. New C who has some actual HEART. You get a top 4 D man with experience. Sends the message to the team that NO YOU ARE NOT UNTOUCHABLE. Quit playing like babies or we'll ship your butt out for people who will WILL play.

I don't see Edmonton getting better even if you do draft 1st again. You'll bring in another kid. Throw him in the fire. And continue to basically field the Oil Kings A squad in the NHL. Draft for WHAT YOU NEED. Don't take the best player on the board. You need a big 1D guy? Draft JONES. You need a big gritty Crosby-Like top 6. Take Drouin. BUT MACKINNON BETTER? No. You don't need another cupcake sized my little pony forward. You don't need skill forwards. You need to draft a GERD DERM PERWER FERWERD. Trade down, get what you need, improve your assets with that trade. But nope. With the first overall selection, Edmonton selects Nathan MacKinnon. I think Philly's goalie weighs more than your entire top line...
- MisterC

These kids don't show a lack of heart just yet. You wouldn't wish a trade such as the one you suggested on any team, let alone the Avs or Oilers. There's a grand offensive core in Edmonton and the roster could use a couple of changes, but none of the guys you mentioned. Hell, with the Avs slump before Friday's game, that would've applied to them, too.