the same thing was said about spezza when heatley left but spezza finished 4th in scoring last year with michalek and greening on his wings.
- sens rock

and heatley has declined in production EVERY YEAR since then

No way Perry gets 8-9 from Pitt.
- yaktalksback

then he'll walk and go somewhere else. they aren't gonna sign him for under 8 mil...NO CHANCE IN HELL

you FLAT OUT can't compare deals signed under the old CBA, where teams were easily able to circumvent the cap......it's an unfair comparison.
- sensarmy_11

crosby could get, the max $ if he wanted but he understands the team dynamic and took less than what he could get for the betterment of the team.

then he'll walk and go somewhere else. they aren't gonna sign him for under 8 mil...NO CHANCE IN HELL
- sensarmy_11

I don't believe it.

I don't believe it.
- yaktalksback

if he won't take less money to stay in anaheim, he's not gonna take less money to stay anywhere else.

believe what you want, but perry is getting ATLEAST as much as getzlaf.

if he won't take less money to stay in anaheim, he's not gonna take less money to stay anywhere else.

believe what you want, but perry is getting ATLEAST as much as getzlaf.
- sensarmy_11

Getzlaf is a rare commodity. Perry isn't.

if he won't take less money to stay in anaheim, he's not gonna take less money to stay anywhere else.

believe what you want, but perry is getting ATLEAST as much as getzlaf.
- sensarmy_11

as a ufa he could definitely get more.

crosby could get, the max $ if he wanted but he understands the team dynamic and took less than what he could get for the betterment of the team.
- sens rock

and it's also a contract that lasts forever, and is pretty heavily frontloaded....his when his extension kicks in (next year i believe) he'll be getting 12 mil for teh first 3 years, but a cap hit of only 8.7

you FLAT OUT can't compare deals signed under the old CBA, where teams were easily able to circumvent the cap......it's an unfair comparison.
- sensarmy_11

I sure can. The playing field might be different but I guarantee you that player agents are going to still point to the salaries of players they feel are comparable in terms of producation and/or ability as their player regardless of when the other contract was signed. The structure of the deal might be different (i.e. less money up front, fewer years and/or less deviation from year to year in salaries) but they will still look at that AAV and argue their player should come in about that level too.

The lockout added more structure but the ultimate failing in the finanical system in the NHL is the owners. They will talk about fiscal restraint but they will be still spend recklessly if they think it makes their team better. And that's why agents will continue to point to the contracts of comparable players as the benchmark; because they know that there is likely going to be at least one owner/GM combo that will agree with them and offer that money. Nothing has changed.

Getzlaf is a rare commodity. Perry isn't.
- yaktalksback

in this UFA class, perry is an INCREDIBLY rare commodity......a good player

what he's gonna get has AS MUCH to do with timing of his UFA status as it does with how good he is. there is literally nobody available as a UFA this year that's anywhere close to being as good as him. the next best option is Semin.

I sure can. The playing field might be different but I guarantee you that player agents are going to still point to the salaries of players they feel are comparable in terms of producation and/or ability as their player regardless of when the other contract was signed. The structure of the deal might be different (i.e. less money up front, fewer years and/or less deviation from year to year in salaries) but they will still look at that AAV and argue their player should come in about that level too.

The lockout added more structure but the ultimate failing in the finanical system in the NHL is the owners. They will talk about fiscal restraint but they will be still spend recklessly if they think it makes their team better. And that's why agents will continue to point to the contracts of comparable players as the benchmark; because they know that there is likely going to be at least one owner/GM combo that will agree with them and offer that money. Nothing has changed.
- Glen Miller

You can't cause 12-15 year deals were commonplace with bogus years at the end to keep the cap hit down. That isn't a possibility anymore. In the old cba this would be a 12 year deal with a cap hit closer to 6.5m.

in this UFA class, perry is an INCREDIBLY rare commodity......a good player

what he's gonna get has AS MUCH to do with timing of his UFA status as it does with how good he is. there is literally nobody available as a UFA this year that's anywhere close to being as good as him. the next best option is Semin.
- sensarmy_11

Filpulla

I sure can. The playing field might be different but I guarantee you that player agents are going to still point to the salaries of players they feel are comparable in terms of producation and/or ability as their player regardless of when the other contract was signed. The structure of the deal might be different (i.e. less money up front, fewer years and/or less deviation from year to year in salaries) but they will still look at that AAV and argue their player should come in about that level too.

The lockout added more structure but the ultimate failing in the finanical system in the NHL is the owners. They will talk about fiscal restraint but they will be still spend recklessly if they think it makes their team better. And that's why agents will continue to point to the contracts of comparable players as the benchmark; because they know that there is likely going to be at least one owner/GM combo that will agree with them and offer that money. Nothing has changed.
- Glen Miller

the general rule seems to be, the shorter the contract, the higher the cap hit. crosbys' contract is worth over 100 million dollars over the next 3 centuries or soemthing. the ONLY reason his cap hit is low is because he's signed through 2026 (i believe). for the first 6 or so years of his contract, he's making well over 10 million a year.

top players are going to want, and get, more AAV money on this CBA, simply because they can't sign these lifetime contracts.

had anaheim extended getzlaf prior to teh lockout, GUARANTEED they have him at like a 6-6.5 mil cap hit.

the new cba will have a huge impact on this stuff. shorter terms, higher avg cap hits......for the top players. i actually think it's the mid range and lower end guys who are gonna see their salaries go down.

Filpulla
- sens rock

i'm pretty sure we all know he isn't going anywhere. when does detroit EVER lose their good palyers

i'm pretty sure we all know he isn't going anywhere. when does detroit EVER lose their good palyers
- sensarmy_11

ya, and looking into it he hasn't had a good season. But i'd still put him above semin for all-round game.

in this UFA class, perry is an INCREDIBLY rare commodity......a good player

what he's gonna get has AS MUCH to do with timing of his UFA status as it does with how good he is. there is literally nobody available as a UFA this year that's anywhere close to being as good as him. the next best option is Semin.
- sensarmy_11

Ok then. The gm who gives that money is desperate.

getlaf is rare. 27 a cup champ and captain, huge two way player and PPG and physical and wins faceoffs.

One of 3 in the NHL in this class and none will ever come up as ufa. so he got Crosby money.

Ok then. The gm who gives that money is desperate.

getlaf is rare. 27 a cup champ and captain, huge two way player and PPG and physical and wins faceoffs.

One of 3 in the NHL in this class and none will ever come up as ufa. so he got Crosby money.
- yaktalksback

Don't forget, perry also has a cup.....as well as a hart trophy and rocket richard trophy, is also close to a ppg player (which is actually harder to do as a winger) and is a great 2-way player.

Generally, as the math works out, goals are worth 1.7 assists. That's about how many assists are credited for every goal scored traditionally. Goals are more valuable than assists.
- Glen Miller

Thank you. It's odd that astute hockey fans don't see that.

Ok then. The gm who gives that money is desperate.

getlaf is rare. 27 a cup champ and captain, huge two way player and PPG and physical and wins faceoffs.

One of 3 in the NHL in this class and none will ever come up as ufa. so he got Crosby money.
- yaktalksback

I think you're also overlooking the fact that he's a UFA, which automatically means he's getting overpaid. It's not desperate, it's business. It's no worse then your gm handing out 6 million dollar deals to young and relatively unproven RFAs

Nobody wants to sign in Toronto.. Not Perry,Not Clowe.. Nobody!!!
You guys haven't gotten a good UFA in a long time.
- Erik6Karlsson5

Riiiiiight, because they're all flocking to Ottawa!

Who was the last BIG UFA to sign in Ottawa? Actually, who was the last big/star UFA to sign with a Canadian team?

It's about money and the tax systems in Canada vs. USA. Players playing the USA keep more of their contract dollars... FACT! Players also aren't under the microscope in the US like they are in Canada.

More money and privacy... Sounds pretty good to me!

Getzlaf is a rare commodity. Perry isn't.
- yaktalksback

Getz had his worst year as a pro last year. I think that Perry is a much better hockey player. Without Perry Getz is a 60 point player.

Thank you. It's odd that astute hockey fans don't see that.
- Pillar

People get it, we just also get that often times the setup man is as important, if not more, than the trigger man.

The year cheechoo scored 50, and thornton only scored like 22, who do you think most shark players, coaches, fans, management, etc, would have said the more important player was?

Riiiiiight, because they're all flocking to Ottawa!

Who was the last BIG UFA to sign in Ottawa? Actually, who was the last big/star UFA to sign with a Canadian team?

It's about money and the tax systems in Canada vs. USA. Players playing the USA keep more of their contract dollars... FACT! Players also aren't under the microscope in the US like they are in Canada.

More money and privacy... Sounds pretty good to me!
- As_I_See_It

I believe you're forgetting one MR. ALEX KOVALEV.

Getzlaf is a rare commodity. Perry isn't.
- yaktalksback

both are"rare commodities"
but its much harder to find a getzlaf than a perry


but its not like every team has a perry on their team

both are"rare commodities"
but its much harder to find a getzlaf than a perry


but its not like every team has a perry on their team
- nightmare3020

This.

They're both great, and their both gonna get similar deals (money wise)