A Det fan was on the board earlier saying the Canuck could have him—apparently he's not making any fans over there.

Still would be good for the 2nd line...
- Fosco

He did more than Booth in less games last year..... and besides, I said replace those players meaning their production. I'm fine with letting players go but the contributions their replacements have given us is sweet (frank) all.

To be fair, Gillis's good contracts make the job a bit easier, as well.
- Fosco

I will say this. Numerous times over the last few seasons I've wondered how the Canucks would fit everything under the cap.

Ryan O'Reilly

I so hope the Hawks lose in regulation!

Booth shouldn't affect your d to much. I mean he is a forward
- Bieksa#3

That he is.....sorry for the bad typing....getting used to i pad......still dont want him

To be fair, it started well before TDL. About the All Star game our offense went south
- Bieksa#3

FAIR?

Two of the players I mentioned were let go long before the TDL. I only started saying it at the deadline because we were already sucking and Gillis did nothing to adress it but sell us how much bigger and meaner we would be with Kassian going into the playoffs. I didnt say it started at the deadline. As usual, you comment without thinking.

FAIR?

Two of the players I mentioned were let go long before the TDL. I only started saying it at the deadline because we were already sucking and Gillis did nothing to adress it but sell us how much bigger and meaner we would be with Kassian going into the playoffs. I didnt say it started at the deadline. As usual, you comment without thinking.
- boonerbuck

no sense in leaving all the non thinking comments to you

He did more than Booth in less games last year..... and besides, I said replace those players meaning their production. I'm fine with letting players go but the contributions their replacements have given us is sweet (frank) all.
- boonerbuck

Hey thats kinda like wat Sammy has given the Wings. I think Detroit is done with recycled vet now days (except Bert....if he ever gets off his cane)

I've admitted being wrong many times on here. Why is it when ever somebody shares a different opinion then you then you call them down.
- Bieksa#3

Thats your M/O buddy. Regardless of whats being said you get your hackles up if it's Bieksa, Kesler or AV being critcized.

I don't say poop about Bieksa for most of a year and you were still whining about it just days ago. You actually go out of your way to get me to comment on him. I dont think you fool anyone...

He did more than Booth in less games last year..... and besides, I said replace those players meaning their production. I'm fine with letting players go but the contributions their replacements have given us is sweet (frank) all.
- boonerbuck

That's debatable. You've obviously been higher on Samuelsson than most.

Booth- 56gp 29points +1 69 hits (w/ Canucks)

Sameulsson- 48gp 28points +2 74 hits (w/ Panthers)

It's pretty close. Depends on what you mean by "did more." He had a better point/game average, but unless you watched the games to see how much he contributed away from the puck, I would say the numbers alone are too close to call.

Both had to recover from an injury, but Booth's happened right when he was starting play some consistent good hockey.

Factor in that Samuelsson was also becoming a whiny female dog...

Ryan O'Reilly

I so hope the Hawks lose in regulation!
- 1970vintage

I don't. Need Emery to pick up all the wins he can....until the playoffs.

To be fair, Gillis's good contracts make the job a bit easier, as well.
- Fosco

That credit is much inflated imo. People will take less to stay with their friends in a city like Vancouver,,,, raise their kids here rather than move them out of this enviroment. Then theres the growing list of players from BC that want to play here. I think Gillis is getting heaped with credit that needs to be shared with the players and their families.

I'm starting to think our core is getting too complacent because of all the security they feel they have by taking these "discounts" etc... all the effort to keep the core together at all costs.... just seems like thats more important than getting over the top.

Thats your M/O buddy. Regardless of whats being said you get your hackles up if it's Bieksa, Kesler or AV being critcized.

I don't say poop about Bieksa for most of a year and you were still whining about it just days ago. You actually go out of your way to get me to comment on him. I dont think you fool anyone...
- boonerbuck

I sure hope your not commenting on my Bieksa referrance to you the other day. Even a idiot could see that was tongue in cheek.
Kesler and AV get lots of criticism from me. I've made tons of Kesler trade proposals. As for AV. I have no problem critisizing him. In fact just suggested the other daday in the blog your got all defensive of me that I could see him being fired. But yet you just wanna look at when i defend him and try to be fair when analyzing him. I've stated many times that as long as we don't bring in a old overrated coach such as Mac T. I'm all for firing him. My list for close to a yr now includes Eakins, Foligno and Muller. But again you don't share this opinion so it is clearly wrong

That credit is much inflated imo. People will take less to stay with their friends in a city like Vancouver,,,, raise their kids here rather than move them out of this enviroment. Then theres the growing list of players from BC that want to play here. I think Gillis is getting heaped with credit that needs to be shared with the players and their families.

I'm starting to think our core is getting too complacent because of all the security they feel they have by taking these "discounts" etc... all the effort to keep the core together at all costs.... just seems like thats more important than getting over the top.
- boonerbuck

That's your opinion.

I've become a lot more critical of Gillis's moves/lack-of moves, but I'll still give credit where credit's due. A lot of other teams have had less success re-signing their top players.

You can't criticize the bad contracts without giving credit for the good ones

That's debatable. You've obviously been higher on Samuelsson than most.

Booth- 56gp 29points +1 69 hits (w/ Canucks)

Sameulsson- 48gp 28points +2 74 hits (w/ Panthers)

It's pretty close. Depends on what you mean by "did more." He had a better point/game average, but unless you watched the games to see how much he contributed away from the puck, I would say the numbers alone are too close to call.

Both had to recover from an injury, but Booth's happened right when he was starting play some consistent good hockey.

Factor in that Samuelsson was also becoming a whiny female dog...
- Fosco

I was just talking about their season totals... and I'll add that Sammy had much better chemistry with our overall line up and could play the point if need be because of injuries. Booth.... no chemistry, less production, less veristile, less leadership and playoff experience,,,,,, and less fire.... more salary, longer term... and no real role yet.

Stompin Tom died today. RIP, Canadian Legend

Columbus up next, low hanging fruit or does a lack luster complacent team show up?

I was just talking about their season totals... and I'll add that Sammy had much better chemistry with our overall line up and could play the point if need be because of injuries. Booth.... no chemistry, less production, less veristile, less leadership and playoff experience,,,,,, and less fire.... more salary, longer term... and no real role yet.
- boonerbuck

Yeah, Samuelsson brought no leadership. He had playoff experience, but he had an absolute poop attitude, and still does.

And, like I said, Booth was just hitting his stride when the knee on knee occurred—if that doesn't happen, he likely ends with better numbers than Sammy. Obviously there's no guarantee, but it's a reasonable assumption.

And less fire? How do you measure fire ? A thermometer? Or is that just heat?

Stompin Tom died today. RIP, Canadian Legend
- Bieksa#3

RIP

That's your opinion.

I've become a lot more critical of Gillis's moves/lack-of moves, but I'll still give credit where credit's due. A lot of other teams have had less success re-signing their top players.

You can't criticize the bad contracts without giving credit for the good ones
- Fosco

Fosco, you just turned around my post on me. I was the one saying credit should be shared....wtf??????

The concept of sharing the credit doesnt mean Gillis gets none. Think about it. I thought too much credit was being given to one person.... you are implying I'm doing that somehow? The credit is always given to management on this. I'm not being narrow minded whats so ever here...the opposite.

Fosco, you just turned around my post on me. I was the one saying credit should be shared....wtf??????

The concept of sharing the credit doesnt mean Gillis gets none. Think about it. I thought too much credit was being given to one person.... you are implying I'm doing that somehow? The credit is always given to management on this. I'm not being narrow minded whats so ever here...the opposite.
- boonerbuck

My bad.

I must have misinterpreted.

Seemed to me like you were trying to take the credit away from Gillis and saying it was other factors that were more involved with those players re-signing.

I've been on here way too much today (was home sick from work).

Everybody have a good night

Id make a serious offer to Troy Brower to add depth and size/experience. Not like Washington has many untouchables. Chris Neil id inquire about aswell. These are guys that can move up, down the line up, know there role, add toughness.

James neals stats before Malkin

2010 DAL- 79 22 23 45 7 66 5 0 212
2009 DAL 78 27 28 55 -5 64 2 1 200
2008 DAL 77 24 13 37 -11 51 9 0 171

David Booth stats before Canucks

2010 FLA 82 23 17 40 -31 26 8 0 280
2009 FLA 28 8 8 16 -3 23 0 0 95
2008 FLA 72 31 29 60 10 38 11 0 246
2007 FLA 73 22 18 40 13 26 1 0 228


Its a stretch but look what crosby has done with Kunitz and Dupuis. I would say booth is as good as those guys.
- Bluechip23

Has Vancouver tried Booth with the Sedins?
If Pyatt can score 20+ on that line, Maybe Booth can get back to 30?

Yeah, Samuelsson brought no leadership. He had playoff experience, but he had an absolute poop attitude, and still does.

And, like I said, Booth was just hitting his stride when the knee on knee occurred—if that doesn't happen, he likely ends with better numbers than Sammy. Obviously there's no guarantee, but it's a reasonable assumption.

And less fire? How do you measure fire ?
- Fosco

Other players(not Canucks) and coaches have mentioned his leadership...and again, sigh, I said "more than Booth". Experience can = leadership in a locker room when we are talking playoffs. Players have seen Samuelsson take the bull by the horns and single handedly beat a team in the playoffs and that can be considered leading by example.... Thats got to be worth something.

There no way to measure fire Fosco. Thats cute. We have seen Sammy get pissed about one thing or another and go on a scoring tear. We've seen him call out the team when they were playing really unacceptable hockey. I'm surprised you don't give him any credit for it. If you were going to say he offers less of all that now, well I would agree. I won't dismiss what he brought to the team while he was here though.

Is it me or is it you that fails to give credit where it's due? I'm just saying that because in the last couple of posts you've been the one failing to give credit yet pointing the finger.

BTW, I'm not big on Samuelsson. It's like everything else I post on thie subject of Gillis' work. It's about what we lost and what we gained. I don't get hung up on players like others. Thats why people have so many problems trying to wrap their head around where I'm coming from all the time. I just laugh at all the head scratching later and people who got butthurt about the players they laid so much praise on.

Yeah, Samuelsson brought no leadership. He had playoff experience, but he had an absolute poop attitude, and still does.

And, like I said, Booth was just hitting his stride when the knee on knee occurred—if that doesn't happen, he likely ends with better numbers than Sammy. Obviously there's no guarantee, but it's a reasonable assumption.

And less fire? How do you measure fire ? A thermometer? Or is that just heat?
- Fosco

I liked Samuelsson, he had ice in his veins, was clutch many times with the Canucks. He probably had the most leathal shot of all the forwards. Id rather have a healthy Samuelsson then Booth no question, he's just a better player. That being said, Gilles was probably looking at the age of Booth, and his potential for years to come. Samuelsson's injuries were to numerous, he was a 30 goal scorer who missed there 2011 run and was a bandaid. When healthy he's better than Booth. The Canucks have enough boy scouts in there lineup, a little bit of swagger and Stanley Cup petigree that he brought never hurts. In 2010, he singlehandedly torched the Kings for us.