We agree Fosco. Gilman is the best Front office guy in the NHL. He is the reason almost all the nucks are signed to below market value. He is a negotiating wiz.
- Bluechip23

The fortunate timing of some of the injuries/IR placements also seem to be Gilman's work (unofficially )

We agree Fosco. Gilman is the best Front office guy in the NHL. He is the reason almost all the nucks are signed to below market value. He is a negotiating wiz.
- Bluechip23

Were you present for negotiations, or are you assuming this because the media describes his role in the management structure as such? Personally, I haven't seen Gillis/Gilman pull off anything miraculous. Their UFA "gets" have all begged to come here & taken less to make it happen. Guys re-sign here because the franchise philosophy is everyone has to take a little less to build a perrennial contender... What exactly has he done to be labeled a cap/negotiating wiz? Knowing the CBA better than Feaster isn't enough to qualify... That would make all of us wizzes.

I believe that Lu and Ballard will be traded. Tessier suggesting something like Ballard for Hainsey. I actually believe Booth will be waived
- Bieksa#3

It's too bad Hainsey plays the left side (I think, being a LHD)

Booth has the rest of the season/playoffs to prove himself. I could see the Canucks getting a 3rd round pick for him from a team that desperately needs offense......wait, I guess the Canucks fit in that category

Yeah, that's fair.

I think Lou and Ballard will be gone via trade. Malhotra is also off the books. Likely one or two of Higgins, Lapierre, and Raymond won't be re-signed, either. Maybe Booth out for a pick, as well.

Factor in a couple ELC's as replacements, and a bargain contract or two.

It will definitely be difficult for the Canucks management team to become cap-compliant and stay competitive, but Laurence Gilman (asst GM) is a cap/cba wizard.
- Fosco

I like Higgins work ethic under a different coach he would stay. I think Lapp an Ray are gonna move on. I think as far as value goes Higgins is best bang for your buck. I would like to see him stay. I'm sure everyone will disagree but IMO he was our most consistent player last season and continues to improve this one.

It's too bad Hainsey plays the left side (I think, being a LHD)

Booth has the rest of the season/playoffs to prove himself. I could see the Canucks getting a 3rd round pick for him from a team that desperately needs offense......wait, I guess the Canucks fit in that category
- Fosco

Booth has low value. But being a former 30 goal scorer somebody would take a Flyer on him. With low return. Detroit maybe?

Were you present for negotiations, or are you assuming this because the media describes his role in the management structure as such? Personally, I haven't seen Gillis/Gilman pull off anything miraculous. Their UFA "gets" have all begged to come here & taken less to make it happen. Guys re-sign here because the franchise philosophy is everyone has to take a little less to build a perrennial contender... What exactly has he done to be labeled a cap/negotiating wiz? Knowing the CBA better than Feaster isn't enough to qualify... That would make all of us wizzes.
- DrChristianTroy

Just from what I have listened to and his background. A big plus for the nucks is also the city of Vancouver. These guys arent taking discounts if this team is teleported to Winnipeg, Edmonton, Nashville etx. but I would like to think Gillman has something to do with that. Hard to blame feaster when rumor has it that 5 - 6 teams put in an offer sheet for ROR and he denied it. But I wish they didnt match it because the drama that it would have caused would be awesome.

Booth has low value. But being a former 30 goal scorer somebody would take a Flyer on him. With low return. Detroit maybe?
- Bieksa#3

I think Booth is a very good player. Just in a poopty situation. Kesler is not a passer of the puck. Booth was also coming into his own before that injury last year. Booth on a better team or a great passing center is a 30 goal scorer for sure. Put him with Crosby and you could see James Neal type stats.

I like Higgins work ethic under a different coach he would stay. I think Lapp an Ray are gonna move on. I think as far as value goes Higgins is best bang for your buck. I would like to see him stay. I'm sure everyone will disagree but IMO he was our most consistent player last season and continues to improve this one.
- thundachunk

If I was a betting man I would say Raymond is the best bet to stay. The Canucks have shown far to much patience with him. Raymond also excepted a "rollback" this season. I presume he gets 2.5-3

I like Higgins work ethic under a different coach he would stay. I think Lapp an Ray are gonna move on. I think as far as value goes Higgins is best bang for your buck. I would like to see him stay. I'm sure everyone will disagree but IMO he was our most consistent player last season and continues to improve this one.
- thundachunk

Personally, I wouldn't say most consistent, but he's up there, and definitely one of the "unsung" guys on the team.

It would be difficult for me to choose who the odd man out would be out of Lapierre, Higgins, Raymond.

Before the season began it would definitely be Raymond. Now I'd have to say Lapierre (if I had to choose), but that would leave the center depth even more of a joke than it is...

It's too bad Hainsey plays the left side (I think, being a LHD)

Booth has the rest of the season/playoffs to prove himself. I could see the Canucks getting a 3rd round pick for him from a team that desperately needs offense......wait, I guess the Canucks fit in that category
- Fosco

The assumption that Booth is suddenly worthless might be more ridiculous than the assumption that Ballard is suddenly worthless. Those guys could make major contributions in the right situations.

I think Booth is a very good player. Just in a poopty situation. Kesler is not a passer of the puck. Booth was also coming into his own before that injury last year. Booth on a better team or a great passing center is a 30 goal scorer for sure. Put him with Crosby and you could see James Neal type stats.
- Bluechip23

Neal really

Booth has low value. But being a former 30 goal scorer somebody would take a Flyer on him. With low return. Detroit maybe?
- Bieksa#3

Booth for Couturier?

The assumption that Booth is suddenly worthless might be more ridiculous than the assumption that Ballard is suddenly worthless. Those guys could make major contributions in the right situations.
- DrChristianTroy

Certainly didn't intend he is useless. Just not currently at high value.

The assumption that Booth is suddenly worthless might be more ridiculous than the assumption that Ballard is suddenly worthless. Those guys could make major contributions in the right situations.
- DrChristianTroy

Yeah, I don't think he's worthless, but his cap hit compared to his production has lowered his value....and draft picks in the first three rounds seem to be more valuable than ever.

Booth for Couturier?
- thundachunk

why tease me. Schneider for Coutourier +

Yeah, I don't think he's worthless, but his cap hit compared to his production has lowered his value....and draft picks in the first three rounds seem to be more valuable than ever.
- Fosco

This is exactly what I'm saying. Same as my Lu/TB proposal.

Personally, I wouldn't say most consistent, but he's up there, and definitely one of the "unsung" guys on the team.

It would be difficult for me to choose who the odd man out would be out of Lapierre, Higgins, Raymond.

Before the season began it would definitely be Raymond. Now I'd have to say Lapierre (if I had to choose), but that would leave the center depth even more of a joke than it is...
- Fosco

Yes Lapp would be the odd man out.

Neal really
- Bieksa#3

James neals stats before Malkin

2010 DAL- 79 22 23 45 7 66 5 0 212
2009 DAL 78 27 28 55 -5 64 2 1 200
2008 DAL 77 24 13 37 -11 51 9 0 171

David Booth stats before Canucks

2010 FLA 82 23 17 40 -31 26 8 0 280
2009 FLA 28 8 8 16 -3 23 0 0 95
2008 FLA 72 31 29 60 10 38 11 0 246
2007 FLA 73 22 18 40 13 26 1 0 228


Its a stretch but look what crosby has done with Kunitz and Dupuis. I would say booth is as good as those guys.

James neals stats before Malkin

2010 DAL- 79 22 23 45 7 66 5 0 212
2009 DAL 78 27 28 55 -5 64 2 1 200
2008 DAL 77 24 13 37 -11 51 9 0 171

David Booth stats before Canucks

2010 FLA 82 23 17 40 -31 26 8 0 280
2009 FLA 28 8 8 16 -3 23 0 0 95
2008 FLA 72 31 29 60 10 38 11 0 246
2007 FLA 73 22 18 40 13 26 1 0 228


Its a stretch but look what crosby has done with Kunitz and Dupuis. I would say booth is as good as those guys.
- Bluechip23

Kunitz offensive numbers maybe. But not Neal

Yes Lapp would be the odd man out.
- thundachunk

He's had a rough start to the season. I know he bulked up a lot in the summer—maybe it's affected his mobility/movement a bit?

Loved the guy last season, and part of the reason he's been underwhelming could be because he's playing above his role/ability.

As a 4th line C, he's great, but not skilled enough to be a 3C.

Yeah, I don't think he's worthless, but his cap hit compared to his production has lowered his value....and draft picks in the first three rounds seem to be more valuable than ever.
- Fosco

Once again, we come back to the coaching staff... Booth, Ballard, Kassian... All of their current "perceived" values are products of the roles they've been assigned by AV/Bowness.

Opposite end of the spectrum are guys like Purcell. Flattering roles can have the opposite effect. I wouldn't trade Booth straight up for that pillow biter.

I hate to tell you, but, the reason the Canucks have been losing isn't their lack of grit...it's because they can't (frank)in score!
- chompsey

Last season after TDL you were calling me Debby Downer for warning everyone that this team would suffer in the scoring department after not replacing Hoff, Samuelsson and Cody... welcome to reality.

Once again, we come back to the coaching staff... Booth, Ballard, Kassian... All of their current "perceived" values are products of the roles they've been assigned by AV/Bowness.

Opposite end of the spectrum are guys like Purcell. Flattering roles can have the opposite effect. I wouldn't trade Booth straight up for that pillow biter.
- DrChristianTroy

Not a Purcell fan. Booth and 2nd for Torres and vermette?

Once again, we come back to the coaching staff... Booth, Ballard, Kassian... All of their current "perceived" values are products of the roles they've been assigned by AV/Bowness.

Opposite end of the spectrum are guys like Purcell. Flattering roles can have the opposite effect. I wouldn't trade Booth straight up for that pillow biter.
- DrChristianTroy

I think in this we can all agree player mismanagement has been a thorn in our sides for a good long time. MG obviously hasn't seen enough we probably have to miss the playoffs to see them change the coaching staff.

Once again, we come back to the coaching staff... Booth, Ballard, Kassian... All of their current "perceived" values are products of the roles they've been assigned by AV/Bowness.

Opposite end of the spectrum are guys like Purcell. Flattering roles can have the opposite effect. I wouldn't trade Booth straight up for that pillow biter.
- DrChristianTroy

I agree, but it still affects their value, whether it's a product of the coach, and not of their actual ability.

And, again, what the hell do you have against Purcell? Sounds like it's something personal. Not sure why you'd call a guy a pillow biter, just because he's not physical.

The guy's stats might be a bit inflated for a few reasons, but he's still a very good passer.