Who ?
- VANTEL

I think it was MacAurther Vs Dziurzynski. Mac KO'd him big time.

Who ?
- VANTEL

McLaren dummied Dzuirzynski. Guy was out before he hit the ice. Helped off.

I think it was MacAurther Vs Dziurzynski. Mac KO'd him big time.
- thundachunk

Frazer McLaren.

The guy is an animal!

McLaren dummied Dzuirzynski. Guy was out before he hit the ice. Helped off.
- As_I_See_It

Leafs are a mean bunch this year. Looks good on them

I think it was MacAurther Vs Dziurzynski. Mac KO'd him big time.
- thundachunk

Really? What about last season?
- Fosco

NHL 36 22 11 3 1936 79 978 2.45 .919 Holtbys numbers

NHL 80 44 21 6 4337 166 2222 2.30 .925 Corys


Besides double the games there really isn't that much of a difference. I would think the Canucks Def is better then the Caps but hey that is a matter of opinion. Holtby has actually played more playoff games and won a series on his back. Corey was great against LA too but less games.

NHL 14 7 7 - 922 30 459 1.95 .935 Holtby last years playoffs.

I do think Cory is the better goalie but it is pretty close at the NHL level.

- Ben37

Greatest. Canuck. ever...

Agreed.

It's pretty comical how he's getting devalued after a few less than stellar games in a cluster-(frank) of a goaltending situation.
- Fosco

I would take Schnieds over half the #1's in the league. You could say thats a bias opinion but I would bet half the GM's and coaches would agree with me. I bet you do.

McLaren dummied Dzuirzynski. Guy was out before he hit the ice. Helped off.
- As_I_See_It

Thx for the correction I had the sound off kids asleep.

Leafs are a mean bunch this year. Looks good on them
- VANTEL

It has been fun so far...

NHL 36 22 11 3 1936 79 978 2.45 .919 Holtbys numbers

NHL 80 44 21 6 4337 166 2222 2.30 .925 Corys


Besides double the games there really isn't that much of a difference. I would think the Canucks Def is better then the Caps but hey that is a matter of opinion. Holtby has actually played more playoff games and won a series on his back. Corey was great against LA too but less games.

NHL 14 7 7 - 922 30 459 1.95 .935 Holtby last years playoffs.

I do think Cory is the better goalie but it is pretty close at the NHL level.
- SMP8719

Double the games, and better stats across the board. I never said Cory was vastly superior, I just said he's better, and few would disagree.

The WSH poster said that Holtby had outplayed Schneider, and that they were similarly coveted goalies, which is incorrect.

Where did I say that he had trade value? Point it out to me please, all I said is that he has the ability to be a top 5 d-man who plays every game if he were on the Leafs roster. He's still overpaid in that role.
- Nucker101

Completely wrong. Ballard wouldnt make the leafs top 6 that is a fact.

What would you give up?
- VANTEL

Higgins. 3rd

Completely wrong. Ballard wouldnt make the leafs top 6 that is a fact.
- Bluechip23

Disagree.

Ballard has been mis-used, and unfairly found himself in AV's dog house. Ballard would likely be on TO's second pair. He's better defensively than Liles, Franson, and Phaneuf...

This the reality. The goalie market is essentially flat. every team minus a few has goalies in the system that they love. So the reality is no one is gonna pay top dollar for a goalie even if it is the quality of a Schnied or Lu. MG over played his hand and no he is stuck. Holtby has played really well the last 10 - 15 games. He had a very poor start to the year.

I just cant see a team trading for a goalie other than TBay, Edm, NYI, NJ (if brodeur retires).

But the bad is goalies like Bishop, Bernier will be available as well in the offseason so the options are limited.

Disagree.

Ballard has been mis-used, and unfairly found himself in AV's dog house. Ballard would likely be on TO's second pair. He's better defensively than Liles, Franson, and Phaneuf...
- Fosco

Tessier wrote a nice blog about him yesterday

You'd be wrong.

Holtby ended up being my worst fantasy pick this season

That other trade you suggest isn't bad, though. Leaves the Canucks in bad shape on the blue line, without Edler, but Backstrom would be a godsend.
- Fosco

Actually, I'd be right; but that's irrelevant to the discussion.

I was merely responding to Ian's trade; no way that happens unless there's more coming our way.

And I agree, one week doesn't make a career, but Holtby has definitely looked much more comfortable in net than Corey lately; he does have him beat in the playoff department so far, and they are both young, talented goalies.

I live in Van and watch Corey play whenever he starts; I also watch Holtby and every Caps game. To say Corey is the definite better tender is a bit of a jump - both are fairly unproven.

Corey is nowhere near as agile as Holtby (or 'athletic' if you prefer that), but Corey's positioning is probably better. At the moment, Braden seems the more calm one in net, but Nucks have had a fairly poor run lately.

It has been fun so far...
- As_I_See_It

Having low expectations and your team does excellent makes it fun to be a fan. No offence. Opposite for us high expectations and team is mediocre. Not complaining but Canucks haven't been super exciting this year. Still love them though and glad there is some hockey this year.

Disagree.

Ballard has been mis-used, and unfairly found himself in AV's dog house. Ballard would likely be on TO's second pair. He's better defensively than Liles, Franson, and Phaneuf...
- Fosco

The way he is playing now no way is he even close to Phaneuf which is a joke comment. Franson has had a great year so far and is far more valuable than Ballard. Liles is a fair comment because i dont think he is very good but Liles gets benched regularly in favor of better d men. He is essentially the 7/8th guy. Ballard had a lot of talent on Florida that I agree with but his play and value have taken a nose dive with the canucks and him getting benched does him no favors.

Completely wrong. Ballard wouldnt make the leafs top 6 that is a fact.
- Bluechip23

Neither of our opinions are facts.

This the reality. The goalie market is essentially flat. every team minus a few has goalies in the system that they love. So the reality is no one is gonna pay top dollar for a goalie even if it is the quality of a Schnied or Lu. MG over played his hand and no he is stuck. Holtby has played really well the last 10 - 15 games. He had a very poor start to the year.

I just cant see a team trading for a goalie other than TBay, Edm, NYI, NJ (if brodeur retires).

But the bad is goalies like Bishop, Bernier will be available as well in the offseason so the options are limited.
- Bluechip23

Is this like when you said the canucks were trying to trade Bieksa the yr they went to the finals. Move along Skippy

Neither of our opinions are facts.
- Nucker101

Is this like when you said the canucks were trying to trade Bieksa the yr they went to the finals. Move along Skippy
- Bieksa#3

We were miscommunicating. I was referring to the year before you assumed it was that year. Its called a misunderstanding SON.

The way he is playing now no way is he even close to Phaneuf which is a joke comment. Franson has had a great year so far and is far more valuable than Ballard. Liles is a fair comment because i dont think he is very good but Liles gets benched regularly in favor of better d men. He is essentially the 7/8th guy. Ballard had a lot of talent on Florida that I agree with but his play and value have taken a nose dive with the canucks and him getting benched does him no favors.
- Bluechip23

I wasn't commenting on value, I was commenting on defensive prowess. Phaneuf, Franson, and Liles are all poor defensively. Ballard would slot into either the 2nd or 3rd pairing.

Neither of our opinions are facts.
- Nucker101

This is a fact. No one wants him. not even the canucks. How good can he be?