wow ur on top of things
- nh4442

I guess i forgot the ?

I guess i forgot the ?
- nbartley9

just giving u sh!t bc i posted that about 20 mins ago

Add to that, you have to look at it from the other team's point of view... Are they rebuilding? are they clearing out cap room? clearing out a roster spot for a young player? are they still contending and won't remove pieces from their roster? positional depth issues... etc etc etc

No team wants to give contributing players for guys like Tyler Kennedy or Eric Tangradi... Chances are they have their own overpaid struggling role players or AHL tweeners.
- rival22

The problem with this is the Hossa trade. From that point on, it hasnt seemed too far fetched to believe Shero could get any big name that was available and give up total crap to obtain that player. The Hossa deal was simultaneously the best and worst thing that could happen to a Pens thread on a rumor site.

At least they actually sent him down instead of scratching him (if that was the alternative).
- Deadstar

Best case scenario.

BTW I agree with what a few of you are saying regarding riculous trade proposals with our spare parts. When throwing a name in here I'm thinking about possible low cost of acquisition and contracts duration. Those are the key things I target since we still have a few guys to re-sign for the next two seasons.

What do you guys think of :

Kennedy, Jeffrey, 2nd and maybe a 3rd round pick, Dumoulin

For

Iginla, Glencross

At least they actually sent him down instead of scratching him (if that was the alternative).
- Deadstar

With Boychuk waived and Bennett sent down, it does seem like a precursor to adding another forward through trade. Interesting.

What do you guys think of :

Kennedy, Jeffrey, 2nd and maybe a 3rd round pick, Dumoulin

For

Iginla, Glencross
- nelson911

Not a chance...

What do you guys think of :

Kennedy, Jeffrey, 2nd and maybe a 3rd round pick, Dumoulin

For

Iginla, Glencross
- nelson911

joke, right?

What do you guys think of :

Kennedy, Jeffrey, 2nd and maybe a 3rd round pick, Dumoulin

For

Iginla, Glencross
- nelson911

HAHA yeah sign me up for that

With Boychuk waived and Bennett sent down, it does seem like a precursor to adding another forward through trade. Interesting.
- madmike71

I read this on hf boards so Im not sure as to whether or not it is true(and i am no cap expert):
"I had heard this could just be a technicality -- Boychuk being on waivers doesn't actually free up the roster spot to reactivate Malkin. So the waiver-exempt guy goes down to make room until tomorrow when Carolina (or whoever) takes Boychuk, and then comes back to the big club.

Guess we'll find out soon if that's actually the case."

With Boychuk waived and Bennett sent down, it does seem like a precursor to adding another forward through trade. Interesting.
- madmike71

I would laugh hard if that guy was Seto. (even though I'd still grab him "for nothing")

I read this on hf boards so Im not sure as to whether or not it is true(and i am no cap expert):
"I had heard this could just be a technicality -- Boychuk being on waivers doesn't actually free up the roster spot to reactivate Malkin. So the waiver-exempt guy goes down to make room until tomorrow when Carolina (or whoever) takes Boychuk, and then comes back to the big club.

Guess we'll find out soon if that's actually the case."
- Rawdog9755

Well its true. Hes on the roster until he gets claimed or sent down. None of that is known until 12 tomorrow.

I read this on hf boards so Im not sure as to whether or not it is true(and i am no cap expert):
"I had heard this could just be a technicality -- Boychuk being on waivers doesn't actually free up the roster spot to reactivate Malkin. So the waiver-exempt guy goes down to make room until tomorrow when Carolina (or whoever) takes Boychuk, and then comes back to the big club.

Guess we'll find out soon if that's actually the case."
- Rawdog9755

Sounds like that could be right, but why wouldn't they just send Bennett down to clear the spot for Geno?

Sounds like that could be right, but why wouldn't they just send Bennett down to clear the spot for Geno?
- madmike71

or why wouldnt they place martin on retro IR??

I read this on hf boards so Im not sure as to whether or not it is true(and i am no cap expert):
"I had heard this could just be a technicality -- Boychuk being on waivers doesn't actually free up the roster spot to reactivate Malkin. So the waiver-exempt guy goes down to make room until tomorrow when Carolina (or whoever) takes Boychuk, and then comes back to the big club.

Guess we'll find out soon if that's actually the case."
- Rawdog9755

Interesting, didn't think of that. We'll see at noon tomorrow if it was only a paper transaction and Bennett is at practice.

But, couldn't they just as easy have put Martin on IR retroactive to Thursday when he got hurt in Carolina? He'd be eligible to come back on Thursday against the Flyers I think.

Interesting, didn't think of that. We'll see at noon tomorrow if it was only a paper transaction and Bennett is at practice.

But, couldn't they just as easy have put Martin on IR retroactive to Thursday when he got hurt in Carolina? He'd be eligible to come back on Thursday against the Flyers I think.
- rival22

or why wouldnt they place martin on retro IR??
- nh4442

Because then Martin would have to stay off the roster for a week from the day he was Retro placed on IR. That would mean he misses the Thursday game against Philly. Must mean Martin is close to returning and they would rather have him in the lineup for Philly.

or why wouldnt they place martin on retro IR??
- nh4442

I don't know all the technicalities of these moves, but that sounds logical too. I think Shero might have been caught off guard by Geno being ready tonight.

Because then Martin would have to stay off the roster for a week from the day he was Retro placed on IR. That would mean he misses the Thursday game against Philly. Must mean Martin is close to returning and they would rather have him in the lineup for Philly.
- Rawdog9755

That's where my confusion is... it's 7 days on IR, so if you retroactively start it on last Thursday, the 7th day would be this Wednesday and he'd be eligible on Thursday. Or does Day #1 actually start on last Friday?

That's where my confusion is... it's 7 days on IR, so if you retroactively start it on last Thursday, the 7th day would be this Wednesday and he'd be eligible on Thursday. Or does Day #1 actually start on last Friday?
- rival22

Im guessing here, but this is my 2 cents on how this works. Think about a player having a season ending injury. If he gets hurt in a given game, he gets IR'd the next day. In the case of a retro active IR, it wouldnt be back to the day he got hurt as the team wouldnt have IR'd a player the morning before he got hurt in that night's game(he wouldnt have been hurt yet). Therefore, a retro on Martin would really be back to Friday and would continue through this Thursday. Hopefully there is a sliver of common sense somewhere in what i just wrote, but its probably wrong.

I am not fully on the "Fire Byslma" bandwagon, but I am genuinely concerned about the guys capability of developing a player, or at the very least not destroying that players development. Since Byslma has taken over we have not developed a player that we have drafted. Granted a lot of it has been that we haven't had the top end talent that is expected to come in and take off from the get go since Staal, but you would think 1 or 2 guys drafted in the past 5 years would get a shot, but it hasn't happened. I just feel like every year teams find guys that they aren't expecting to make the team and they do, but the Pens do not. It seems absurd, but I honestly get the impression that Bylsma doesn't give any of them a fair chance. I think he feels the way to get there is years of playing in the minors like he did. I just don't see a good reason for his treatment of Despres and Bennett.

I would think after a while that Shero is going to get frustrated that none of the players he has drafted have really gotten a chance to show why he drafted them, with the exception of Staal.

Im guessing here, but this is my 2 cents on how this works. Think about a player having a season ending injury. If he gets hurt in a given game, he gets IR'd the next day. In the case of a retro active IR, it wouldnt be back to the day he got hurt as the team wouldnt have IR'd a player the morning before he got hurt in that night's game(he wouldnt have been hurt yet). Therefore, a retro on Martin would really be back to Friday and would continue through this Thursday. Hopefully there is a sliver of common sense somewhere in what i just wrote, but its probably wrong.
- Rawdog9755

You made it sound more confusing, but you are right

Just found it in the old CBA, I'm assuming it hasn't changed:

(c) A player who has an injury that renders him physically
unable to play hockey for a minimum of seven (7) days after the
date of injury can be placed on the Injured Reserve List. Once a
player is placed on the Injured Reserve List, the Club may
replace said player on it's NHL roster with another player.

Im guessing here, but this is my 2 cents on how this works. Think about a player having a season ending injury. If he gets hurt in a given game, he gets IR'd the next day. In the case of a retro active IR, it wouldnt be back to the day he got hurt as the team wouldnt have IR'd a player the morning before he got hurt in that night's game(he wouldnt have been hurt yet). Therefore, a retro on Martin would really be back to Friday and would continue through this Thursday. Hopefully there is a sliver of common sense somewhere in what i just wrote, but its probably wrong.
- Rawdog9755

I was going to write the same thing. I don't think they could retro him to the same day he played. God knows we'll need Martin for Thursday if he's ready to play.

I was going to write the same thing. I don't think they could retro him to the same day he played. God knows we'll need Martin for Thursday if he's ready to play.
- madmike71

If he's still playing for the Penguins by then.

You made it sound more confusing, but you are right

Just found it in the old CBA, I'm assuming it hasn't changed:

(c) A player who has an injury that renders him physically
unable to play hockey for a minimum of seven (7) days after the
date of injury can be placed on the Injured Reserve List. Once a
player is placed on the Injured Reserve List, the Club may
replace said player on it's NHL roster with another player.
- rival22

The real question should be why this move wasnt made sooner. Even if they didnt think Malkin or Martin would be back so quickly they knew they would be back at some point in the near future and it didnt appear Boychuk was going to see the ice any time soon. They couldve made this move at any point over the weekend knowing they may need to clear a spot this week and would like to do so without costing BB some game experience.