in an era where the position of "capologist" is an actual job, why doesn't every team have one?

why doesn't every gm, have an aide that knows the cba (and new MoU) backwards and forwards. seriously!
- RealityChecker

the memorandum of understanding is public on the nhlpa website. Its pretty clear in how the waiver status has changed and i don't see how feaster could of interpreted it in his favour.

the memorandum of understanding is public on the nhlpa website. Its pretty clear in how the waiver status has changed and i don't see how feaster could of interpreted it in his favour.
- sens rock

Language was actually somewhat ambiguous - and ironically, under the old CBA Colorado would have been screwed as well. All the more reason to simply clarify it with the league

It says a player like ROR "must be on a clubs Reserve List" but doesn't say whether that applies to offer sheet situations.

Language was actually somewhat ambiguous - and ironically, under the old CBA Colorado would have been screwed as well. All the more reason to simply clarify it with the league

It says a player like ROR "must be on a clubs Reserve List" but doesn't say whether that applies to offer sheet situations.
- S Kaspar Rollins

exactly why feaster makes a call.

exactly why feaster makes a call.
- sens rock

Well yeah.

Didn't the Flyers do something like this when they signed Pronger to his last deal? They thought the 35+ rule worked a different way than it actually did, so they're stuck with his contract until it runs out regardless of when he officially retires? (mind you I'm guessing they'll just LTIR him for eternity like Savard)

Nonis was one!!!
- jimmc7722

There Very good chance he was...

Well yeah.

Didn't the Flyers do something like this when they signed Pronger to his last deal? They thought the 35+ rule worked a different way than it actually did, so they're stuck with his contract until it runs out regardless of when he officially retires? (mind you I'm guessing they'll just LTIR him for eternity like Savard)
- S Kaspar Rollins

yeah they had a different interpretation when they signed the contract. They got lucky cap wise that his career is essentially over. Sad way to end but works in Philly's favor.

Does anyone know if 35+ contracts qualify for amnesty buyouts?

There Very good chance he was...
- Fruitcakenipple

Again where is your source for these 4 other teams that sent offer sheets? First I've seen of this.

exactly why feaster makes a call.
- sens rock

the other point that doesn't seem to get brought up much is: why didn't the flames wait a week to tender the offer? the av's can't trade him for up to a calendar year and b/c of the olympics, the trade deadline will probably move back next year.

if the flames wait a week, they probably remove that option from the avs.

i'm not saying that this would have been crucial in the match/not match argument but i am saying that the flames should have made it as un-enticing to match as possible.

Well yeah.

Didn't the Flyers do something like this when they signed Pronger to his last deal? They thought the 35+ rule worked a different way than it actually did, so they're stuck with his contract until it runs out regardless of when he officially retires? (mind you I'm guessing they'll just LTIR him for eternity like Savard)
- S Kaspar Rollins

that was a huge blunder as well.

Again where is your source for these 4 other teams that sent offer sheets? First I've seen of this.
- S Kaspar Rollins

We just naming possibilities of other stupid GM's in the league...No source needed...

the other point that doesn't seem to get brought up much is: why didn't the flames wait a week to tender the offer? the av's can't trade him for up to a calendar year and b/c of the olympics, the trade deadline will probably move back next year.

if the flames wait a week, they probably remove that option from the avs.

i'm not saying that this would have been crucial in the match/not match argument but i am saying that the flames should have made it as un-enticing to match as possible.
- RealityChecker

The Avs could still have traded him as an unsigned RFA (like I say, 6.5M is an overpayment for a QO but I bet a lot of teams would be willing to pay it.)

Personally I think the Flames should have sent the offer at the beginning of the season rather than now - would have minimized the risk of the draft picks ending up in the top 5 range and avoided this Russia issue.

The Avs could still have traded him as an unsigned RFA (like I say, 6.5M is an overpayment for a QO but I bet a lot of teams would be willing to pay it.)

Personally I think the Flames should have sent the offer at the beginning of the season rather than now - would have minimized the risk of the draft picks ending up in the top 5 range and avoided this Russia issue.
- S Kaspar Rollins

i wasn't clear in my point.

i meant that (if we remove the waiver issue for a moment), the flames should have signed him in a week's time. at that point, if the av's match, they can't trade him at the trade deadline next year. the earliest they would be able to move him is next summer.

it may be a minor point but it decreases the av's flexibility going forward.

*i can agree with your second point though.

The Avs could still have traded him as an unsigned RFA (like I say, 6.5M is an overpayment for a QO but I bet a lot of teams would be willing to pay it.)

Personally I think the Flames should have sent the offer at the beginning of the season rather than now - would have minimized the risk of the draft picks ending up in the top 5 range and avoided this Russia issue.
- S Kaspar Rollins

If that was the case from the beginning, which I am not sure it was (and is more influenced by the performance this yr and Feaster sweating abt his job prospects) they would have likely picked Benn over OReilly.

i wasn't clear in my point.

i meant that (if we remove the waiver issue for a moment), the flames should have signed him in a week's time. at that point, if the av's match, they can't trade him at the trade deadline next year. the earliest they would be able to move him is next summer.

it may be a minor point but it decreases the av's flexibility going forward.

*i can agree with your second point though.
- RealityChecker

I can see that but on the other hand, if the Flames wait a week, there's a definite chance the pick WOULD be in lottery range regardless of whether ROR is on the team or not. (A devious thing Colorado should have done IMO is wait until the last possible second before matching the offer - Calgary would have lost more games AND this revelation would have broken in the meantime, making it even more intriguing)

Ek said it in this blog, MANY GM's missed this; the obvious ones being involved, Feaster and Sherman.

Could it have been a colossal mistake, you betcha'! Is Feaster going to hear about this one from his bosses, yep. But, IMO the league should as embarrassed as anyone about this for creating yet another big loophole in the CBA.

I just hope everyone learns from this.
- TandA4Flames

There is no loophole. It is the same as it has been. If you play in another league after the start of the NHL season and come back to a team that does not currently have your rights, then you have to clear waivers.

If that was the case from the beginning, which I am not sure it was (and is more influenced by the performance this yr and Feaster sweating abt his job prospects) they would have likely picked Benn over OReilly.
- FLflames34

Benn is great but he would have been even harder to poison pill I think (for one thing his holdout wasn't near as contentious). Also, the Flames are absolutely in much more massive need of centers than wingers

There is no loophole. It is the same as it has been. If you play in another league after the start of the NHL season and come back to a team that does not currently have your rights, then you have to clear waivers.
- Iggysbff

Its actually better than it was before, because as many have pointed out, it doesn't apply to unsigned RFAs on your own reserve list.

I can see that but on the other hand, if the Flames wait a week, there's a definite chance the pick WOULD be in lottery range regardless of whether ROR is on the team or not. (A devious thing Colorado should have done IMO is wait until the last possible second before matching the offer - Calgary would have lost more games AND this revelation would have broken in the meantime, making it even more intriguing)
- S Kaspar Rollins

i wholeheartedly agree.

timing is everything.

if the flames/av's weren't playing that night, i bet he doesn't match it so quickly. he would have waited until the morning at the very least at which time, he would have discovered the waiver issue.

it was a clusterfcuk by everyone.

There is no loophole. It is the same as it has been. If you play in another league after the start of the NHL season and come back to a team that does not currently have your rights, then you have to clear waivers.
- Iggysbff

it has changed. previously even your own rfa's would of had to pass through waivers.

i wholeheartedly agree.

timing is everything.

if the flames/av's weren't playing that night, i bet he doesn't match it so quickly. he would have waited until the morning at the very least at which time, he would have discovered the waiver issue.

it was a clusterfcuk by everyone.
- RealityChecker

the waiver issue doesn't help the avs. they still have to choose between the player or the picks.

the waiver issue doesn't help the avs. they still have to choose between the player or the picks.
- sens rock

If the had known about it they would have been able to re-sign him at their price weeks ago though, I bet.

the waiver issue doesn't help the avs. they still have to choose between the player or the picks.
- sens rock

until they match, the two teams are allowed to negotiate a trade for up to 7 days.

colorado tells calgary they won't match unless they get x, y and z. calgary either accepts the demand or litigates this issue. the litigation road is probably not one they want to explore.

until they match, the two teams are allowed to negotiate a trade for up to 7 days.

colorado tells calgary they won't match unless they get x, y and z. calgary either accepts the demand or litigates this issue. the litigation road is probably not one they want to explore.
- RealityChecker

i don't think they can negotiate once an offer sheet is put in. they have 7 days to match the offer or accept the compensation and thats it.

Benn is great but he would have been even harder to poison pill I think (for one thing his holdout wasn't near as contentious). Also, the Flames are absolutely in much more massive need of centers than wingers
- S Kaspar Rollins

So does Sherman ever deal with Feaster now? I'd like to see if they could make a run at Statsny, since O'Reilly is making too much for 3rd line duty.

until they match, the two teams are allowed to negotiate a trade for up to 7 days.

colorado tells calgary they won't match unless they get x, y and z. calgary either accepts the demand or litigates this issue. the litigation road is probably not one they want to explore.
- RealityChecker

Really? I've never heard of this.