Man. You're going grade school on this topic all day. Somebody laughs at Feaster...."have you seen Gillis?" Now this guy busts something out and blam.."even your own friends don't like you". What's next? "Nice shoes you get those at the Salvation Army?"
- Fan2

I love you man.

How about! Wow! Wow! Wow!
- whipper334

Much better!

on hockey night Ron said Gary would have never let this happen to the Flames, league is gonna clarify CBA (coles notes)
- flashfire

I have no doubt there would have been some sort of "exception". No way they would have let them lose both the picks and the player. Still a large gaff by all sides.

I feel bad for Feaster, he seems like a nice guy trying his best.

I feel bad for Feaster, he seems like a nice guy trying his best.
- gunner2233

HAVE YOU SEEN GILLIS!!???????? Or something.

You dont live in Calgary. In hind sight most hate that deal, but at the time I know lots of guys spouting praise about Leeman. Risebroughs hands were tied on that one too as he "had" to get rid of Gilmour asap for whatever he could get back.
- Iggysbff

Not now, but I did for several yrs. Sure, ppl thought Tzachuk or Fata or Kidd or other wastes would turn out due to having no other choice though.
I don't recall Leeman being too positive. Even if the hand was forced, I think it seemed even then to be one of the worst trades in history.

It is easier to give the benefit of the doubt to younger ppl. Most all fanbases will do this, as potential could always give hope, until it doesn't. This isn't just a product of Calgary. Trades? I don't think the fans are ALWAYS supportive of the team.

I was stoked abt the Phaneuf trade and still am now. I was pleased abt the Joker trade, which turned out to be a terrible idea. Oh well, shi te happens.

I feel bad for Feaster, he seems like a nice guy trying his best.
- gunner2233

I'm just happy that Calgary isn't firing him, and that Flame fans are defending him.

I'm just happy that Calgary isn't firing him, and that Flame fans are defending him.
- yaktalksback

I'm not defending him overall...just in this situation, the NHL isn't even sure they have to clarify. Daly on the radio spouting off about something isn't an official statement. Obviously the player would contest this as it hurts their rights

I'm just happy that Calgary isn't firing him, and that Flame fans are defending him.
- yaktalksback

Fair enough! I just hope you guys keep Lowe and Tambs and we'll see what they do when they actually don't have to pick the top prospect.

Language was actually somewhat ambiguous - and ironically, under the old CBA Colorado would have been screwed as well. All the more reason to simply clarify it with the league

It says a player like ROR "must be on a clubs Reserve List" but doesn't say whether that applies to offer sheet situations.
- S Kaspar Rollins

Just a question, but does anyone know if COL needed an offer sheet to sign ROR and then have him play. Basically was there some rule saying COL would have to have put him through waivers themselves unless he was offered an OS and the team matched?

Just a question, but does anyone know if COL needed an offer sheet to sign ROR and then have him play. Basically was there some rule saying COL would have to have put him through waivers themselves unless he was offered an OS and the team matched?
- TandA4Flames

Hey Pal, Kaspar is the most negative, glass half empty if you will fan, this site will see.

Hey Pal, Kaspar is the most negative, glass half empty if you will fan, this site will see.
- whipper334

Yeah he won the lottery and female doged because the check was so big.

Yeah he won the lottery and female doged because the check was so big.
- Jsaquella

he would complain about the taxes.

I could swear this was a rumor site at one time...

he would complain about the taxes.
- whipper334

That too...I had too much Sake...logic might be beyond my reach tonight

I could swear this was a rumor site at one time...
- claimdenied

That too...I had too much Sake...logic might be beyond my reach tonight
- Jsaquella

Lol!

Exactly, if a random guy like Ek (no offense Ek) can ask Bill Daly what the rules are, you would think an actual NHL GM might be able to as well. As for knowing if ROR has played in europe past the start of the nhl season, 1) you should have ppl find that out from the khl, not too difficult, and 2) You signed ROR to a deal himself, you think they might ask him " hey btw you didnt play any games in russia after the season started, right?"

I'd agree that most of the blame Feaster is getting he doesn't deserve if he hadn't come out with a statement saying he was aware of the rule but was going to challenge the NHL on the ruling after Colorado decided not to match. If that's true it makes him look so much worse. Maybe figure that out before you present the offer sheet. Admitting you didn't have a copy of the CBA and were unaware of the rule isn't ideal but they weren't the only team coming up with offer sheets.

I also don't think that he's done a terrible job as GM. He inherited a terrible situation and has been trying to keep the team competitive. He almost signed Richards and most of his signings have been solid. Hudler and Wideman have been two of the bright spots for the Flames this year and although Cervenka isn't working out right now there wasn't any risk signing him. No GM is going to willingly trade away everyone on the team for draft picks and hope they come through while they put an AHL team on the ice for the next 5 years. The idiotic Flames fans that say they should follow the Pittsburgh and Edmonton model don't realize those teams were just bad and didn't willingly aim for the top picks they got. Pittsburgh also lucked out with the timing in which they were terrible followed by a lottery. How many top picks has Columbus had and they're no better off than the Flames currently are.

Just a question, but does anyone know if COL needed an offer sheet to sign ROR and then have him play. Basically was there some rule saying COL would have to have put him through waivers themselves unless he was offered an OS and the team matched?
- TandA4Flames

That was part of the confusion as the rule was changed this year so a team would be able to sign their own RFAs or junior players under the same circumstances without having to clear waivers.

You dont live in Calgary. In hind sight most hate that deal, but at the time I know lots of guys spouting praise about Leeman. Risebroughs hands were tied on that one too as he "had" to get rid of Gilmour asap for whatever he could get back.
- Iggysbff

Your circle of friends may have been the only people who were happy about getting Leeman. Maybe if that trade had been 5 for 1 it would have looked alright but the fact that it was 5 for 5 made it historically terrible. Even if you take Gilmour out of that deal the Flames still would have lost the trade and I would have told you that the day the deal was made.

People need to stop calling this a loophole in the CBA. The NHL put this specifically in for RFA's who go overseas after the start of the season, it is made for instances where players hold out and hold their teams for ransom (if all the GM's were aware of the O'Reilly situation and he had no threat of an offer sheet he loses all negotiating leverage and gets forced to sign a fair contract with Colorado).

So now players who want to hold out have two choices -- Sit out and miss games and practice time, which lowers your value and puts you at a disadvantage the longer it drags out, or play overseas and completely demolish your value by removing the threat of an offer sheet.

Hey Pal, Kaspar is the most negative, glass half empty if you will fan, this site will see.
- whipper334

ok i deserve that but I'd like to note a few things,

a. Right before Colorado matched the offer I had talked myself fully into the offer sheet being a terrific idea (ie. I was pretty sure the Flames wouldn't fall into lottery range with him in the lineup

b. I've been piling on Feaster the last two days since the screwup became known but I have seen Flames fans who dislike the guy far, far more than I do. I have always felt he's not as bad as people make him out to be and that his hands have been tied for a few reasons since he took over. also if that's true what Ron said about Bettman not allowing this to happen to Calgary had it actually gone through, it softens the issue. the only thing I am certain of is that Feaster wasn't the only one who screwed this thing up

all I try to do is be realistic, because I prefer bracing myself and being surprised on occasion to talking myself into stupid stuff then having my hopes crushed

(and yeah I am also a pessimist too I guess)

People need to stop calling this a loophole in the CBA. The NHL put this specifically in for RFA's who go overseas after the start of the season, it is made for instances where players hold out and hold their teams for ransom (if all the GM's were aware of the O'Reilly situation and he had no threat of an offer sheet he loses all negotiating leverage and gets forced to sign a fair contract with Colorado).

So now players who want to hold out have two choices -- Sit out and miss games and practice time, which lowers your value and puts you at a disadvantage the longer it drags out, or play overseas and completely demolish your value by removing the threat of an offer sheet.
- Scruffton

keep in mind that it's highly unusual for a holdout like that to drag into the regular season (I think if the lockout hadn't happened it would have been resolved one way or another before the season)

Just a question, but does anyone know if COL needed an offer sheet to sign ROR and then have him play. Basically was there some rule saying COL would have to have put him through waivers themselves unless he was offered an OS and the team matched?
- TandA4Flames

no. that was the case under the old CBA, ironically enough - under the old CBA, Colorado would have had to put him through waivers anyway but under this CBA it only applied if a team offer sheeted him. the way the rule works is that the waiver rule applies to UFAs but not RFAs whose rights you own. Since Colorado still held his rights after the offer sheet it did not apply to them but it did to Calgary.