Not for lack of trying.
Backlund hurt and Cervenka hates being a centre apparently... those things don't help the entire situation.
- j.henderson

Oh of course. I think they would need more centres even if Backlund weren't hurt though.

go back and re-read the edit. all 14 teams in the lottery have a shot at # overall.
- ruttager17

No they don't, not this year http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=416279

"the league discussed making odds for the 14 non-playoff teams more balanced, but it won't happen this year."

I have not read anything that suggests that the odds for the top 5 teams in the lottery are changed. So technically the non playoff teams are all in it but the chances of them actually winning the #1 overall are pretty slim.

for all those making fun of his weight (which is pretty childish anyway)

guy has been working hard and dropped major pounds. If you have ever battled weight loss you know how hard it can be good for him.

furthermore a guys weight has nothing to do with ability as a GM

No they don't, not this year http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=416279
- S Kaspar Rollins

"The only difference in this year's draft lottery will remain that the team that wins the lottery will be awarded the first overall pick. In previous years, winning the lottery only allowed a team to move up a maximum of four places in the draft order."
the 14 teams that are not in the playoffs are all in the draft lottery. This clearly states that the winner of the lottery gets first overall, not moves up 4 spots. This is from the link you posted. Do you have another link that states differently or are you just not understanding it???
i said nothing about odds, the change is that they can now get the first overall pick. hence when jersey won the lottery in 2011, they would have taken first overall not just moved up 4 spots. Is it making sense yet??????

for all those making fun of his weight (which is pretty childish anyway)

guy has been working hard and dropped major pounds. If you have ever battled weight loss you know how hard it can be good for him.

furthermore a guys weight has nothing to do with ability as a GM
- flashfire

I did see him on Sportsnet the other night and he did look like he'd lost a bit of weight.

I did see him on Sportsnet the other night and he did look like he'd lost a bit of weight.
- S Kaspar Rollins

a bit! compare that picture to the one posted at the top of the thread...major weight loss

"The only difference in this year's draft lottery will remain that the team that wins the lottery will be awarded the first overall pick. In previous years, winning the lottery only allowed a team to move up a maximum of four places in the draft order."
the 14 teams that are not in the playoffs are all in the draft lottery. This clearly states that the winner of the lottery gets first overall, not moves up 4 spots. This is from the link you posted. Do you have another link that states differently or are you just not understanding it???
- ruttager17

so they're in it for the #1 pick, but the odds are unchanged, meaning that even if you start at 14 your odds of actually winning the #1 pick are pretty minuscule. My understanding was that they wanted to make the odds more even for the 6-14 teams, presumably to prevent tanking, but decided not to.

If I understand correctly: the old system made it so that if #14 somehow won the lottery, they would only move to #9, but here if they win they win the #1 pick.

for all those making fun of his weight (which is pretty childish anyway)

guy has been working hard and dropped major pounds. If you have ever battled weight loss you know how hard it can be good for him.

furthermore a guys weight has nothing to do with ability as a GM
- flashfire

For children and young adults, absolutely should not be making fun. But when diabetes and obesity have become an epidemic in our society and type-2 diabetes being the #2 most draining illness cost wise on our healthcare system, it is the responsibility of adults like Feaster to take better care of themselves and exercise and eat right, to set an example for our youth. Prevention before treatment. Why lose weight when you can prevent gaining it in the first place???

so they're in it for the #1 pick, but the odds are unchanged, meaning that even if you start at 14 your odds of actually winning the #1 pick are pretty minuscule. My understanding was that they wanted to make the odds more even for the 6-14 teams, presumably to prevent tanking, but decided not to.
- S Kaspar Rollins

that is exactly right, before you could move up a maximum of 4 spots by winning the lottery but now you get #1. They odds are piss poor though unless you are a bottom team.

fun fact, NJ actually won the lottery one year but was too far back so the Oilers still got their yearly #1

so they're in it for the #1 pick, but the odds are unchanged, meaning that even if you start at 14 your odds of actually winning the #1 pick are pretty minuscule. My understanding was that they wanted to make the odds more even for the 6-14 teams, presumably to prevent tanking, but decided not to.
- S Kaspar Rollins

Yes you are absolutely right sir. The odds do not change but now they all have a shot at #1 is what I was saying. But true are your points that ROR and a healthy kipper would have changed the dynamics of the club and probably had them in the playoff hunt.

For children and young adults, absolutely should not be making fun. But when diabetes and obesity have become an epidemic in our society and type-2 diabetes being the #2 most draining illness cost wise on our healthcare system, it is the responsibility of adults like Feaster to take better care of themselves and exercise and eat right, to set an example for our youth. Prevention before treatment. Why lose weight when you can prevent gaining it in the first place???
- ruttager17

why quit smoking when you shouldn't have started in the first place...stupid statement

Yes you are absolutely right sir. The odds do not change but now they all have a shot at #1 is what I was saying. But true are your points that ROR and a healthy kipper would have changed the dynamics of the club and probably had them in the playoff hunt.
- ruttager17

Even if they missed the playoffs it still would have been a worthy risk to get O'Reilly (if, of course, he hadn't played those stupid two games), because you're talking about what, like a 0.5% chance for a team drafting 11-14 overall?

Even if they missed the playoffs it still would have been a worthy risk to get O'Reilly (if, of course, he hadn't played those stupid two games), because you're talking about what, like a 0.5% chance for a team drafting 11-14 overall?
- S Kaspar Rollins

yes, look at a past draft go back say 5 years and tell me how many of those guys had 55 points at age 21

maybe 10% MAYBE

picks wise it was a good risk, leaving out all the other stuff which is debatable

why quit smoking when you shouldn't have started in the first place...stupid statement
- flashfire

That is ridiculous and in no way is in the same comparison. You cant get rid of type 2 diabetes once you get it. IE-prevention before treatment. You can quit smoking before getting lung cancer/emphysema and in 10 years your risks of cancer drop to that of a non smoker. Further more, the prevalence of obesity in our society is possibly leading us to have genetic changes IE passing on genes that predispose one to become obese, contract diabetes as a result of genes. Once again, prevention before treatment.

That is ridiculous and in no way is in the same comparison. You cant get rid of type 2 diabetes once you get it. IE-prevention before treatment. You can quit smoking before getting lung cancer/emphysema and in 10 years your risks of cancer drop to that of a non smoker.
- ruttager17

you cant condemn someone for losing weight by saying he shouldn't have gained it in the first place. Obviously you are an Oilers fan that wouldn't give the guy credit if he cured cancer

you cant condemn someone for losing weight by saying he shouldn't have gained it in the first place. Obviously you are an Oilers fan that wouldn't give the guy credit if he cured cancer
- flashfire

What does the team I am a fan of have to do with anything? I in no way condemned anyone for losing weight. Simply said, don't gain it in the first place. One you gain it, your hypothalamus resets this as your new weight point for the body and even if you lose it, it wants to gain it back because it thinks this should be your weight. Prevention before treatment.

yes, look at a past draft go back say 5 years and tell me how many of those guys had 55 points at age 21

maybe 10% MAYBE

picks wise it was a good risk, leaving out all the other stuff which is debatable
- flashfire

The Flames were at #9 overall at the time of the offer sheet (presuming they didn't jump a few spots in the lottery)

Recent #9 picks: Hamilton, Granlund, Bailey (chosen before Hodgson though, and I remember it being questionable even then), Coutore (great pick but also chosen between two busts), Sheppard. Some of them will be great players (in Coutour's case, already are) but you're correct. Not to mention they would have likely picked lower with him in the lineup.

Actually it looks like Couture did but I guess he's the only one.

Point being...all those calling for Feaster's head over this need to realize how EVERYONE missed this for a good 14 hours...which is the equivalent of 14 years in twitter year

So when you say more to come, I should follow you on twitter, because the 14 hour wait there will be better than the 14 year wait on your site?

no kidding do you expect to sign someone to an offer sheet at market value...you are getting a top end player for free FFS
- flashfire

No...You're getting a 2nd line Center for a first a third and then over paying on top of that.

No...You're getting a 2nd line Center for a first a third and then over paying on top of that.
- Iggysbff

http://www.hockeyprospect...rticle.php?articleid=1423

There's a few fancy stats, mostly near the end, but the first three parts lay it out pretty well why he was worth that offer.

On July 1, virtually every contract is an overpayment, but there's a difference between overpayment and a Bad Contract.
- S Kaspar Rollins

Grabovski gets 5.5 (6 this year). Jokinen 4.5.
Ryan O'Reilly at 5 per on a short term contract? Why the heck not.

Grabovski gets 5.5 (6 this year). Jokinen 4.5.
Ryan O'Reilly at 5 per on a short term contract? Why the heck not.
- j.henderson

exactly. There's no easy answer when you have to overpay. And for the millionth time, actual salary is irrelevant for a team like Calgary that's willing to spend, only AAV matters.

so they're in it for the #1 pick, but the odds are unchanged, meaning that even if you start at 14 your odds of actually winning the #1 pick are pretty minuscule. My understanding was that they wanted to make the odds more even for the 6-14 teams, presumably to prevent tanking, but decided not to.

If I understand correctly: the old system made it so that if #14 somehow won the lottery, they would only move to #9, but here if they win they win the #1 pick.
- S Kaspar Rollins

Technically the odds have not changed. But now that any team can move to number one, it in effect changes the odds. In the past with only being able to move up 4 spots, the 30th place team had a 48% chance at no.1. Now the 30th place team has odds of 25% of getting number one. Its a huge difference to the bottom 5 now. I've posted the full odds list before. Iguess I could go and find it again somewhere.

Technically the odds have not changed. But now that any team can move to number one, it in effect changes the odds. In the past with only being able to move up 4 spots, the 30th place team had a 48% chance at no.1. Now the 30th place team has odds of 25% of getting number one. Its a huge difference to the bottom 5 now. I've posted the full odds list before. Iguess I could go and find it again somewhere.
- Iggysbff

In any case I don't see any other players available that would be worth the Flames giving up a 1st for so it's a moot point, all I have to do is wait and see where they finish.

No...You're getting a 2nd line Center for a first a third and then over paying on top of that.
- Iggysbff

Colorado the team that has actually had him play for them would rather pay him that amount than take a 1st and 3rd. Second line center is a matter of opinion. Is RNH a 2nd line center? he will be getting the standard Oiler 6 million dollar 2nd contract