So does Sherman ever deal with Feaster now? I'd like to see if they could make a run at Statsny, since O'Reilly is making too much for 3rd line duty.
- FLflames34

i don't think this is burke-lowe level. but its definitely not their first call.

i don't think they can negotiate once an offer sheet is put in. they have 7 days to match the offer or accept the compensation and thats it.
- sens rock

i don't believe that's true.

until the rfa team matches, they are allowed to negotiate with the "new" team that just signed the player.

So does Sherman ever deal with Feaster now? I'd like to see if they could make a run at Statsny, since O'Reilly is making too much for 3rd line duty.
- FLflames34

If he's really pissed off about it he's a baby and a bad GM (well at least one of these is true).

There is literally no reason for there to be such a stigma around offer sheets in the NHL, they happen all the time in the NBA without such drama. GMs who insist otherwise are idiots who are essentially in favor of collusion.

Really? I've never heard of this.
- S Kaspar Rollins

it's always been this way.

even with the weber situation, the flyers and preds negotiated until the last minute when nashville matched.

If he's really pissed off about it he's a baby and a bad GM (well at least one of these is true).

There is literally no reason for there to be such a stigma around offer sheets in the NHL, they happen all the time in the NBA without such drama. GMs who insist otherwise are idiots who are essentially in favor of collusion.
- S Kaspar Rollins

exactly.

these guys are in competition with one another for talent. why isn't every avenue explored? why are teams that sign players to offer sheets looked at as the black sheep? just mind boggling.

it's always been this way.

even with the weber situation, the flyers and preds negotiated until the last minute when nashville matched.
- RealityChecker

Learn something every day I guess.

Although Feaster did say he tried to get ROR via trade but the asking price was too high, much as the Flyers did with Weber. Hard to see how the Flames improve on a 1st and a 3rd without including one of their few good young players.

Fact is there is blame to be spead around all over.

ROR and his agent knew he played those games in Russia after the start of the season. They and the NHL should have been clear on the consequenses of him doing so.

Feaster Screwed up on so many levels. If he had an interpretation as he says, he could have cleared it up with one call. He screwed up big time in the contract. It (frank)s over the Avs. And it (frank)s over 29 other GM's. It also rewards a spoiled over rated player by paying him 9+million guaranteed over 1.25 seasons. That puts him as one of the top paid guys in the league? Really? Then he has to be qualified over 7 million? Ridiculous.

Sherman screwed up by also not knowing the rules and jumping the gun and matching so soon. He should have taken his time to analyse things a little more instead of the knee jerk reaction.

Plenty of egg to go on many faces. I hope ROR stinks, then has to crawl back to the KHL for good. He does not deserve this deal.

i don't believe that's true.

until the rfa team matches, they are allowed to negotiate with the "new" team that just signed the player.
- RealityChecker

this doesn't make sense. thats why there is compensation based on $ value. a team needs to decide whether to match or take the compensation.

Learn something every day I guess.

Although Feaster did say he tried to get ROR via trade but the asking price was too high, much as the Flyers did with Weber.
- S Kaspar Rollins

yeah, the situation is always the same:
team A can't sign player.
team B tries to trade for him but team A wants too much.
team B threatens offer sheet.
team A calls bluff.
offer sheet.
last minute negotiations that stall again.
team A matches.

i don't think they can negotiate once an offer sheet is put in. they have 7 days to match the offer or accept the compensation and thats it.
- sens rock

The teams can negotiate a deal, but not in the strictest sense of the word.

What can happen is, the team that signed the player to the offer sheet can trade assets to entice the other team not to match. To use the Flyers offer sheet to Shea Weber as an example, what could have happened was, they could have work out a deal where Nashville would promise not to match the offer, then immediately trade 2 of the picks back for, say Sean Couturier and Braydon Coburn.

That actually happened in 1998, when the Flyers signed Chris Gratton as a RFA. Tampa didn't match, but then immediately traded the 4 1st rounders back to Phlly for Mikael Renberg and Karl Dykhuis

The teams can negotiate a deal, but not in the strictest sense of the word.

What can happen is, the team that signed the player to the offer sheet can trade assets to entice the other team not to match. To use the Flyers offer sheet to Shea Weber as an example, what could have happened was, they could have work out a deal where Nashville would promise not to match the offer, then immediately trade 2 of the picks back for, say Sean Couturier and Braydon Coburn.

That actually happened in 1998, when the Flyers signed Chris Gratton as a RFA. Tampa didn't match, but then immediately traded the 4 1st rounders back to Phlly for Mikael Renberg and Karl Dykhuis
- Jsaquella

Yeah I figured as much.

this doesn't make sense. thats why there is compensation based on $ value. a team needs to decide whether to match or take the compensation.
- sens rock

or decide whether trade value is > than compensatory picks.

The teams can negotiate a deal, but not in the strictest sense of the word.

What can happen is, the team that signed the player to the offer sheet can trade assets to entice the other team not to match. To use the Flyers offer sheet to Shea Weber as an example, what could have happened was, they could have work out a deal where Nashville would promise not to match the offer, then immediately trade 2 of the picks back for, say Sean Couturier and Braydon Coburn.

That actually happened in 1998, when the Flyers signed Chris Gratton as a RFA. Tampa didn't match, but then immediately traded the 4 1st rounders back to Phlly for Mikael Renberg and Karl Dykhuis
- Jsaquella

thanks for spelling it out.

yeah, the situation is always the same:
team A can't sign player.
team B tries to trade for him but team A wants too much.
team B threatens offer sheet.
team A calls bluff.
offer sheet.
last minute negotiations that stall again.
team A matches.
- RealityChecker

Hell, even Brian Burke was threatening to do this with Kessel as much as people like to hold him up as an example of why offer sheets are "dishonorable"

He won't be fired. He is everything that Sutter was not as a GM. For once we are drafting with somewhat potential. We traded down and picked up a big hard hitting defenseman second round. Big goalie who has won tons of college awards this year in the third. Sven, Wotherspoon, Gaudreau, etc.
We are finally drafting well, taking chances on KHL all stars, realizing we are a small team and changing to an uptempo offense moving forward.
Upsides now exist in Calgary. It was REALLY tough to explain a lot of things Sutter did. It's much easier with Feaster.
- j.henderson

Wow that was good....I needed a good laugh today.

thanks for spelling it out.
- RealityChecker

As one can tell, I root for a team that does this poop a lot.

Wow that was good....I needed a good laugh today.
- Iggysbff

The most rational take on Feaster IMO, that to me is a semi-defense of him is that he is an average to mediocre GM who has drafted slightly better (with the possible exception of Jankowkski, who he does deserve to be skewered for if he's a bust but its too early to tell.) While the Wideman and Hudler deals will probably end up costing the team long term, they're not setting the team back years in the same way Darryl was, because the team is going to bottom out one way or another, at which point bad contracts will be a secondary issue. Which brings me to my last point: the most common thing people criticize Feaster for is not blowing it up and being seemingly satisfied with a bubble team. However, I have always felt they give him far too much agency here. The vast majority of the teams that have blown it up lottery style have never done so by choice, but it was forced on them by circumstances that haven't happened to the Flames yet - either bottoming out in the standings, going broke, or top players asking out (often a combination.) and I have consistently refused to believe that Murray Edwards will authorize this to happen until these circumstances hit, because he remembers how long it took the team to get out the last time they rebuilt that way and the fact that they almost moved the team.

thanks for spelling it out.
- RealityChecker

the 2005 cba says otherwise

Once an Offer Sheet for a Restricted Free Agent has been
received by the Prior Club, the Prior Club may not Trade or otherwise Assign its Right of
First Refusal for such Restricted Free Agent.

it has changed. previously even your own rfa's would of had to pass through waivers.
- sens rock

Yes, but they always had to clear before as well. Now if its your own team you dont have to clear. So Radulov was given an exemption last time as he still had a valid contract. Now there would be no issue with him coming back. But if you signed with a new team before you had to clear. You still do.

the 2005 cba says otherwise

Once an Offer Sheet for a Restricted Free Agent has been
received by the Prior Club, the Prior Club may not Trade or otherwise Assign its Right of
First Refusal for such Restricted Free Agent.
- sens rock

As jsaqualla said, the trades are not officially in exchange for the offer sheeted player, they are separate deals. Unwritten rule basically.

the 2005 cba says otherwise

Once an Offer Sheet for a Restricted Free Agent has been
received by the Prior Club, the Prior Club may not Trade or otherwise Assign its Right of
First Refusal for such Restricted Free Agent.
- sens rock

They don't trade the player or the right of first refusal. They make an agreement that they will accept the compensation and then trade some of it back for other assets. It's happened before and is perfectly legal. Just can't make the trade until they actually decline the right of first refusal

They don't trade the player or the right of first refusal. They make an agreement that they will accept the compensation and then trade some of it back for other assets. It's happened before and is perfectly legal. Just can't make the trade until they actually decline the right of first refusal
- Jsaquella

what other example is there other than gratton. that was 15 years ago and things have definitely changed since then.

The teams can negotiate a deal, but not in the strictest sense of the word.

What can happen is, the team that signed the player to the offer sheet can trade assets to entice the other team not to match. To use the Flyers offer sheet to Shea Weber as an example, what could have happened was, they could have work out a deal where Nashville would promise not to match the offer, then immediately trade 2 of the picks back for, say Sean Couturier and Braydon Coburn.

That actually happened in 1998, when the Flyers signed Chris Gratton as a RFA. Tampa didn't match, but then immediately traded the 4 1st rounders back to Phlly for Mikael Renberg and Karl Dykhuis
- Jsaquella

This is correct.

Cant trade the player, but can come to some sort of deal involving the compensatory picks.

what other example is there other than gratton. that was 15 years ago and things have definitely changed since then.
- sens rock

Just because there hasn't been any deals doesn't mean teams haven't tried. Why do you think most offer sheets get matched? Because the vast majority of the time the players are worth more than the picks (provided they're not in the top 5). And this is why teams will always try to make a trade before offer sheets, because its extremely difficult to overpay a guy just enough to make the other team say no.

Just because there hasn't been any deals doesn't mean teams haven't tried. Why do you think most offer sheets get matched? Because the vast majority of the time the players are worth more than the picks (provided they're not in the top 5). And this is why teams will always try to make a trade before offer sheets, because its extremely difficult to overpay a guy just enough to make the other team say no.
- S Kaspar Rollins

And this is where GM's really end up (frank)ing up. Agents get them into these ridiculous deals that end up driving player salaries up. The Weber sheet and ROR sheets were designed to make it difficult for the team to match. Feaster really really over paid on this offer.