I was thinking he would make a great candidate to wear a dynamite vest.
- muhammed

interesting....he'll KNOW its coming. even worse. i want u for my next jihad...

interesting....he'll KNOW its coming. even worse. i want u for my next jihad...
- hugefemale dog77

He's nothing more than atheist fodder.

Can everyone just stop replying to derm.

Maybe then she'll go away.
- Iggysbff

Ahhhh "she" will go away. Well played sir. Well played.

He's nothing more than atheist fodder.
- muhammed

infidels

ur comparing hall to burrows???
but if it's not working u gotta shake things up somehow. maybe i should pick a different word... they need more natural aggressiveness... like who does justin williams and trevor lewis play with..... they need there mike richards... i just don;t see any othe the oilers top sick dropping the gloves with any other teams big body up front .... or fighting the opposition big stud d-man
- derm10

And who did LA give up to get Mike Richards? 3rd liner, prospect, 3rd round pick.

Edm does not need to give up one of their top guys to fill the role they need filled in the Top6.

Belanger, 2nd round pick and Marcinin/Reider/x good prospect is around the same package (if not better becasue Belanger is a good faceoff/pk center and teh 2nd is for a deep draft year).

He's nothing more than atheist fodder.
- muhammed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dxpMTFBg48

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- ruttager17

That's a very accurate video.

What do you guys think about Dwight King? Big guy, decent hands. Think he's the kind of guy LA would part with at the playoffs for the right rental?

What do you guys think about Dwight King? Big guy, decent hands. Think he's the kind of guy LA would part with at the playoffs for the right rental?
- Morris

We are gonna rent him for our playoff run this year???

And who did LA give up to get Mike Richards? 3rd liner, prospect, 3rd round pick.

Edm does not need to give up one of their top guys to fill the role they need filled in the Top6.

Belanger, 2nd round pick and Marcinin/Reider/x good prospect is around the same package (if not better becasue Belanger is a good faceoff/pk center and teh 2nd is for a deep draft year).
- OilHorse

It's really, really not.

Not even close actually

.

And who did LA give up to get Mike Richards? 3rd liner, prospect, 3rd round pick.

Edm does not need to give up one of their top guys to fill the role they need filled in the Top6.

Belanger, 2nd round pick and Marcinin/Reider/x good prospect is around the same package (if not better becasue Belanger is a good faceoff/pk center and teh 2nd is for a deep draft year).
- OilHorse

Belanger is not a 3rd liner on the level of Simmonds anymore. Simmonds is younger and far better offensively, while still being good defensively.

Also it'd have to be Klefbom. The others are not on the same level as Schenn. I don't even know that Klef is.

We could package together some guys for a Richards-level talent, but I think we'd need to give up more than Belanger as a roster piece. A re-signed Jones or even Gagner and some solid picks and prospects would be what's required.

We are gonna rent him for our playoff run this year???
- ruttager17

Naw, I just thought that he might be a big a$shole we could stick on a line with some of our skill guys. If we continue to run Yaks outside the top 6, I'd like to see what he'd do with a little more skating room.

It's really, really not.

Not even close actually

.
- Leafs43

Yes it is. Really.

Yes it is. Really.
- OilHorse

I don't know man. I think there's a pretty big gap between Belanger and Simmonds at this point.

I don't know man. I think there's a pretty big gap between Belanger and Simmonds at this point.
- Morris

Is it as big as the gap between Eberle's teeth???

Is it as big as the gap between Eberle's teeth???
- ruttager17

yeah did you ever notice that no one on the oilers is a looker?

No judgement, i'm pretty shitty looking, but I assume if the team gets good they'll need to try to get a half decent picture of Chipmunk, Gaptooth, Horse, and Eyebrows for Sports Illustrated or something. That's a tall order

Belanger is not a 3rd liner on the level of Simmonds anymore. Simmonds is younger and far better offensively, while still being good defensively.

Also it'd have to be Klefbom. The others are not on the same level as Schenn. I don't even know that Klef is.

We could package together some guys for a Richards-level talent, but I think we'd need to give up more than Belanger as a roster piece. A re-signed Jones or even Gagner and some solid picks and prospects would be what's required.
- Morris

Belanger is as equal for the fact that he is solid defensive guy that is such a good faceoff man. Offense may not be there but the f/o% is what brings his viability up.

Remember, Simmonds had regressed from one year to the next and still had not scored 20. His stock was low, he blossomed in Phi, the scenario worked well, but Phi was getting a guy that "may" become decent.

the prospect is valid concern, but I do not think it is that far off. Really was Schenn the Kings best prospect, in the whole system? Klefbaum is supposedly Edm's. My understanding is that Schenn was a good prospect, but still not a sure shot, thus Marcinin, good prospect but not a sure thing. Again Phi got a guy that "may" do well.

So 2 "may" do well guys plus a 3rd round pick. For a team Captain, perennial 25g 60p player.

I am not talking about a team's captain, or a 2 time 30goal scorer. i am talking about a lesser guy but one that can have an impact in our Top6. A 20g scorer that is gonna be tough to play against.

I don't know man. I think there's a pretty big gap between Belanger and Simmonds at this point.
- Morris

See above.

Yes it is. Really.
- OilHorse

A young 3rd liner who has great potential at becoming a top six forward (and has since become one) is much more valuable than a 35 year old center who is currently putting up fourth line numbers.

The Flyers also received one of the most coveted prospects in the game in Brayden Schenn. They basically received two young players with strong top six potential for Mike Richards. Your proposal only had one of such players. (And I would argue that their value is less than what Schenn's was at the time of the LA/Philly trade)

i saw that fight... but i don;t see it in the same light as what i was talking about... sam gagner is not gunna turn a game around in the playoffs fighting the likes of a shea weber or corry perry
- derm10

fighting turns games around? Don't know what hockey you're watching

yeah did you ever notice that no one on the oilers is a looker?

No judgement, i'm pretty shitty looking, but I assume if the team gets good they'll need to try to get a half decent picture of Chipmunk, Gaptooth, Horse, and Eyebrows for Sports Illustrated or something. That's a tall order
- Morris

dont be so self deprecating brah.

id do ya

Yes it is. Really.
- OilHorse

what the (frank)?!?!? Belanger shouldn't be said in the same sentence as Simmonds. Simmonds is a first line winger who drops the gloves(what EDM needs but that's not the point). Belanger is a 4th line centre who's only value is on the faceoff dot.

Not even nearly, nearly, nearly close

Belanger is as equal for the fact that he is solid defensive guy that is such a good faceoff man. Offense may not be there but the f/o% is what brings his viability up.

Remember, Simmonds had regressed from one year to the next and still had not scored 20. His stock was low, he blossomed in Phi, the scenario worked well, but Phi was getting a guy that "may" become decent.

the prospect is valid concern, but I do not think it is that far off. Really was Schenn the Kings best prospect, in the whole system? Klefbaum is supposedly Edm's. My understanding is that Schenn was a good prospect, but still not a sure shot, thus Marcinin, good prospect but not a sure thing. Again Phi got a guy that "may" do well.

So 2 "may" do well guys plus a 3rd round pick. For a team Captain, perennial 25g 60p player.

I am not talking about a team's captain, or a 2 time 30goal scorer. i am talking about a lesser guy but one that can have an impact in our Top6. A 20g scorer that is gonna be tough to play against.
- OilHorse

u make alot of good points i think, but i think ur underestimating schenns stock at the time. one of, if not the most, coveted prospects in the game. a true bluechip.
far more valuable than marincin currently is. imo even more touted than klefbom is..

just my opinion

Belanger is as equal for the fact that he is solid defensive guy that is such a good faceoff man. Offense may not be there but the f/o% is what brings his viability up.

Remember, Simmonds had regressed from one year to the next and still had not scored 20. His stock was low, he blossomed in Phi, the scenario worked well, but Phi was getting a guy that "may" become decent.

the prospect is valid concern, but I do not think it is that far off. Really was Schenn the Kings best prospect, in the whole system? Klefbaum is supposedly Edm's. My understanding is that Schenn was a good prospect, but still not a sure shot, thus Marcinin, good prospect but not a sure thing. Again Phi got a guy that "may" do well.

So 2 "may" do well guys plus a 3rd round pick. For a team Captain, perennial 25g 60p player.

I am not talking about a team's captain, or a 2 time 30goal scorer. i am talking about a lesser guy but one that can have an impact in our Top6. A 20g scorer that is gonna be tough to play against.
- OilHorse

We may have to agree to disagree, but anyhoo..

Simmonds: Had scored 23, 40 and 30 by the time he was 23, had size and played in multiple roles, and done it well. Odds were that he was going to net at least 30 points in subsequent seasons. Defensively, he didn't look as good as Belanger does right now, but offensively he was (and is) miles better than what Belanger is now. What is the likelihood that Belanger will ever score 30 points again, let alone 40? He's 35, and he's hit 40 once in his career. There is little likelihood that he'd ever outperform Simmmonds offensively, and frankly I don't see him being that much better defensively so as to cover for that.

Schenn: Was 20, and better judged on the fact that he was drafted 5th overall than his 10 NHL games. You could charitably compare MPS to him in that respect. He tore up the WHL, he tore up the world junior championship, and his potential was very high. He was certainly their best draft prospect.

Where we agree is that we're not going after a guy like Richards. I see a guy who plays a role really well, with some size, and most of all a guy with a lesser cost But imo Jones + Klefbom + a 2nd is the bottom of what you'd be able to pawn for Richards, and that's only because they were desperate to get rid of him for cap and locker room reasons.

I don't know man. I think there's a pretty big gap between Belanger and Simmonds at this point.
- Morris

Agreed. Simmonds and Belanger dont belong in the same arguement.