ur comparing hall to burrows???
but if it's not working u gotta shake things up somehow. maybe i should pick a different word... they need more natural aggressiveness... like who does justin williams and trevor lewis play with..... they need there mike richards... i just don;t see any othe the oilers top sick dropping the gloves with any other teams big body up front .... or fighting the opposition big stud d-man
- derm10

Not like any one on the Oilers top 6 did that two days ago...

What moves did they make that tells you they were trying to rebuild the team? You keep changing words and twisting what you say in earlier posts everytime someone comes up with something that disputes what you say. If you can't come up with a reasonable, logical argument and state any facts as to why you think they started rebuilding after the 06 season and not 10 as most people suggest, then you are just making yourself look dumber with each post.
- ruttager17

just cause they weren;t tanking doesn;t mean they weren;t trying to rebuild there core.... they traded pronger for younger player(s), not sure, lupul and then draft picks.... would show me they are trying to rebuild... otherwise why didn;t they ask for pieces that helped them right away.

Not like any one on the Oilers top 6 did that two days ago...
- Morris

can u refresh my memory or do i have to check game logs?

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I really think all of the Oilers' current chemistry, injury, winning, effort, whatever...problems are a direct result of lack of leadership. Shawn Horcoff is a great guy, a hard worker...and a pretty decent third-line NHLer. HE's not a leader. Ales Hemsky with an A on his sweater? really?

I would have liked to have seen a Brendan Morrow/David Backhas type captain, with some leaders on the team. I thought Souray was great! but the Oilers leadership at the time was a joke...and Souray said it actually..one day on the bench during a game. "this is a joke, why am I here?" I believe is what he said.

Brendan Morrow, Darren Helm, Justin Abdelkader, Jordin Tootoo, Cal Clutterbuck, Niklas Kronwall, Matt Greene, Brooks Orpik, John Erskine, Jeff Schultz, Nokalainen, Brian Boyle, Volchenkov, Andy Greene...

I want to see some guys with some friggin' heart and soul on this team. If Belanger has something to say about Yakupov's celebration, tell HIM, not the media! trip him on the way into the room. Smash him into the boards in practice. It's too loose and fun in EDM. It has to end. These kids need a spanking! lol
- JLO961

I didn't even read all of this. You had me at "(i.e. derm GTFO)"

NEW TOPIC: (i.e. derm GTFO)

I really think all of the Oilers' current chemistry, injury, winning, effort, whatever...problems are a direct result of lack of leadership. Shawn Horcoff is a great guy, a hard worker...and a pretty decent third-line NHLer. HE's not a leader. Ales Hemsky with an A on his sweater? really?

I would have liked to have seen a Brendan Morrow/David Backhas type captain, with some leaders on the team. I thought Souray was great! but the Oilers leadership at the time was a joke...and Souray said it actually..one day on the bench during a game. "this is a joke, why am I here?" I believe is what he said.

Brendan Morrow, Darren Helm, Justin Abdelkader, Jordin Tootoo, Cal Clutterbuck, Niklas Kronwall, Matt Greene, Brooks Orpik, John Erskine, Jeff Schultz, Nokalainen, Brian Boyle, Volchenkov, Andy Greene...

I want to see some guys with some friggin' heart and soul on this team. If Belanger has something to say about Yakupov's celebration, tell HIM, not the media! trip him on the way into the room. Smash him into the boards in practice. It's too loose and fun in EDM. It has to end. These kids need a spanking! lol
- JLO961

I'd kill to sign Morrow as a UFA this year. Unlikely though. Yea. EDM needs a leader, I think Hall'll get there but we gotta give these guys some time. You can't expect to see drastic improvements until the kids are a little older.

NEW TOPIC: (i.e. derm GTFO)

I really think all of the Oilers' current chemistry, injury, winning, effort, whatever...problems are a direct result of lack of leadership. Shawn Horcoff is a great guy, a hard worker...and a pretty decent third-line NHLer. HE's not a leader. Ales Hemsky with an A on his sweater? really?

I would have liked to have seen a Brendan Morrow/David Backhas type captain, with some leaders on the team. I thought Souray was great! but the Oilers leadership at the time was a joke...and Souray said it actually..one day on the bench during a game. "this is a joke, why am I here?" I believe is what he said.

Brendan Morrow, Darren Helm, Justin Abdelkader, Jordin Tootoo, Cal Clutterbuck, Niklas Kronwall, Matt Greene, Brooks Orpik, John Erskine, Jeff Schultz, Nokalainen, Brian Boyle, Volchenkov, Andy Greene...

I want to see some guys with some friggin' heart and soul on this team. If Belanger has something to say about Yakupov's celebration, tell HIM, not the media! trip him on the way into the room. Smash him into the boards in practice. It's too loose and fun in EDM. It has to end. These kids need a spanking! lol
- JLO961

that is exactly what they lack... they need to turn whoever and whatever assest into 2 if not 3 of those guys.

can u refresh my memory or do i have to check game logs?
- derm10

I think what he's pointing towards is that you never watch oiler games so you have no idea what happens, who fights who, who plays how much. Stop commenting until you've seen 1 EDM game this year.

Gagner fought dillon against Dallas

ur comparing hall to burrows???
but if it's not working u gotta shake things up somehow. maybe i should pick a different word... they need more natural aggressiveness... like who does justin williams and trevor lewis play with..... they need there mike richards... i just don;t see any othe the oilers top sick dropping the gloves with any other teams big body up front .... or fighting the opposition big stud d-man
- derm10

I'm saying Burrows works well with the Sedins by being a pest while they do their dipsy doodling. The greater point is that it's about team chemistry, and I see Hall being able to do something similar on the RNH and Ebs line as Burrows does on the Sedin line.

I'm saying Burrows works well with the Sedins by being a pest while they do their dipsy doodling. The greater point is that it's about team chemistry, and I see Hall being able to do something similar on the RNH and Ebs line as Burrows does on the Sedin line.
- Morris

i don;t see hall ever being that kind of guy.... never been one to get under the skin of other teams players... from what i've seen... not throughout 82 games

NEW TOPIC: (i.e. derm GTFO)

I really think all of the Oilers' current chemistry, injury, winning, effort, whatever...problems are a direct result of lack of leadership. Shawn Horcoff is a great guy, a hard worker...and a pretty decent third-line NHLer. HE's not a leader. Ales Hemsky with an A on his sweater? really?

I would have liked to have seen a Brendan Morrow/David Backhas type captain, with some leaders on the team. I thought Souray was great! but the Oilers leadership at the time was a joke...and Souray said it actually..one day on the bench during a game. "this is a joke, why am I here?" I believe is what he said.

Brendan Morrow, Darren Helm, Justin Abdelkader, Jordin Tootoo, Cal Clutterbuck, Niklas Kronwall, Matt Greene, Brooks Orpik, John Erskine, Jeff Schultz, Nokalainen, Brian Boyle, Volchenkov, Andy Greene...

I want to see some guys with some friggin' heart and soul on this team. If Belanger has something to say about Yakupov's celebration, tell HIM, not the media! trip him on the way into the room. Smash him into the boards in practice. It's too loose and fun in EDM. It has to end. These kids need a spanking! lol
- JLO961

morrow and/or backes would be a dream. aside from the leadership, the skill and style they play with are exactly the type of guys we could use in our top 6.

i think our bottom 6 can certainly be improved and will, but i really dont see it as the biggest problem as some do. we're not letting an insane amount of goals against. especially from those lines.
we've got a little havoc in jones and eager and neither are terrible players either. harti and prv have shown flashes and are developing. belanger and horcoff are both solid defensively and good on the dot...

size in our top 6 and a top 4 dman (or depth anyway--everyone needs to be moved down a spot if u catch my meaning) are the 2 biggest issues imo

um but we are talking about now, where the team is now. and you're right timmons is great for eyeing talent. out of all the gms in the leaugue he has more of his draft picks playing in the nhl. the team right now statisticly is in the top 5 is most catagories. price is not the reason this team is in first and actually to the contrary. your statment shows you havent watcjed any habs game at all really. gally is a great piece but what about galligher? our 4 lines are crushing teams. our coaching staff is a huge reason the habs are where they are. being sincere is one thing, like when I talk about the glaairing holes in the oilers lineup. but the fact you cant prove to me why the habs will fold this year ahows a lack of sincerity and more just bullpoopting. the habs are the real deal this year baring catastrophic injuries. not saying cup worthy right away but on the right path.
- munky123

lol, "it's the same old song and dance" says Aerosmith. Habs fans are a riot. For some reason they are playing for Therrien, and I think that's great. I didn't say the Habs would fold or fail? I said they'd finish 6th to 10th in the East...again...and bow out of the playoffs in the first round...again. Deharnais and Plekanec are almost single(double) handedly going to be responsible for yet another early playoff exit. Do you honestly think they can go up against Boston? NYR? PIT? PHA? in the playoffs? no way. The Leafs manhandle them for god's sake. Who cares about the regular season...oh yeah, Geoff does.

that is exactly what they lack... they need to turn whoever and whatever assest into 2 if not 3 of those guys.
- derm10

Christ you are worse than MJL during the lockout.



Go away.

I think what he's pointing towards is that you never watch oiler games so you have no idea what happens, who fights who, who plays how much. Stop commenting until you've seen 1 EDM game this year.

Gagner fought dillon against Dallas
- TheNugeIsHuge

i saw that fight... but i don;t see it in the same light as what i was talking about... sam gagner is not gunna turn a game around in the playoffs fighting the likes of a shea weber or corry perry

Not like any one on the Oilers top 6 did that two days ago...
- Morris

wait a minute.....

just cause they weren;t tanking doesn;t mean they weren;t trying to rebuild there core.... they traded pronger for younger player(s), not sure, lupul and then draft picks.... would show me they are trying to rebuild... otherwise why didn;t they ask for pieces that helped them right away.
- derm10

They traded pronger because he asked for a trade not because they wanted to for a rebuilding of the team purpose. That was the best offer they got for him, when you trade a guy like pronger, you take what your best offer is. Which was I believe at the time, two first, Smid, and Lupul. We don't know what was offered to k-lowe in a trade back then, plus, prongers wife put stipulations on where she wanted to live, so that kinda ties there hands when you can't entertain offers from all 29 other teams. In the future, try and look at all the facts and the actual situation at the time it occurred almost 7 years ago, rather than just spewing baseless bullpoop. Seriously do you have any idea what you are talking about? Or are just one of those people that opens their mouths and speaks before actually thinking?

i don;t see hall ever being that kind of guy.... never been one to get under the skin of other teams players... from what i've seen... not throughout 82 games
- derm10

well hes too talented a player to be a true 'pest' anyway. waste of his talents.
but an aggressive, physical, chippy player that makes life difficult for the opposition?? absolutely

and we've established u dont often watch or know much about the oilers. no need to explain "not from what ive seen"
lets move on from that

NEW TOPIC: (i.e. derm GTFO)

I really think all of the Oilers' current chemistry, injury, winning, effort, whatever...problems are a direct result of lack of leadership. Shawn Horcoff is a great guy, a hard worker...and a pretty decent third-line NHLer. HE's not a leader. Ales Hemsky with an A on his sweater? really?

I would have liked to have seen a Brendan Morrow/David Backhas type captain, with some leaders on the team. I thought Souray was great! but the Oilers leadership at the time was a joke...and Souray said it actually..one day on the bench during a game. "this is a joke, why am I here?" I believe is what he said.

Brendan Morrow, Darren Helm, Justin Abdelkader, Jordin Tootoo, Cal Clutterbuck, Niklas Kronwall, Matt Greene, Brooks Orpik, John Erskine, Jeff Schultz, Nokalainen, Brian Boyle, Volchenkov, Andy Greene...

I want to see some guys with some friggin' heart and soul on this team. If Belanger has something to say about Yakupov's celebration, tell HIM, not the media! trip him on the way into the room. Smash him into the boards in practice. It's too loose and fun in EDM. It has to end. These kids need a spanking! lol
- JLO961

Agree with the overall point, disagree with some of the specifics. You're talking about fire and intensity, but encouraging someone to lash out about Yaks' celebration. You're talking about getting a strong leader, but praising a guy who wanted out just because he couldn't be in charge.

If Souray or anyone is a good leader, they should be able to lead with or without the C. So bring in whoever because I agree we need some guys that have a fire lit under their asses, but let's not gun for brash jerks just for the (frank) of it. And it's a little crazy to say that Horcoff is the problem with this year's chemistry as he hasn't been playing for a month.

i saw that fight... but i don;t see it in the same light as what i was talking about... sam gagner is not gunna turn a game around in the playoffs fighting the likes of a shea weber or corry perry
- sperm10

Sam Gagner is hockey jesus.

i saw that fight... but i don;t see it in the same light as what i was talking about... sam gagner is not gunna turn a game around in the playoffs fighting the likes of a shea weber or corry perry
- derm10

once again make a statement, someone refutes it. then back pedal. "blah blah blah, none of the oilers top 6 fight" "actually gagner fought the other night" "oh well that doesn't actually count because I made a statement and you proved me wrong so now im gonna twist things around and it wasn't actually the kind of fighting I was talking about blah blah blah" "Arguing with you, truly is like trying to watch a retard hump a doorknob." -rip torn, Dodegeball 2004

They traded pronger because he asked for a trade not because they wanted to for a rebuilding of the team purpose. That was the best offer they got for him, when you trade a guy like pronger, you take what your best offer is. Which was I believe at the time, two first, Smid, and Lupul. We don't know what was offered to k-lowe in a trade back then, plus, prongers wife put stipulations on where she wanted to live, so that kinda ties there hands when you can't entertain offers from all 29 other teams. In the future, try and look at all the facts and the actual situation at the time it occurred almost 7 years ago, rather than just spewing baseless bullpoop. Seriously do you have any idea what you are talking about? Or are just one of those people that opens their mouths and speaks before actually thinking?
- ruttager17

i was well away of all of that.. but don;t think u trade for the best value if u aren;t in a rebuild... if they were truely trying to make the playoffs they take a lesser deal that helps the current roster more.........if pronger had stayed would u have won a cup with him?

Agree with the overall point, disagree with some of the specifics. You're talking about fire and intensity, but encouraging someone to lash out about Yaks' celebration. You're talking about getting a strong leader, but praising a guy who wanted out just because he couldn't be in charge.

If Souray or anyone is a good leader, they should be able to lead with or without the C. So bring in whoever because I agree we need some guys that have a fire lit under their asses, but let's not gun for brash jerks just for the (frank) of it. And it's a little crazy to say that Horcoff is the problem with this year's chemistry as he hasn't been playing for a month.
- Morris

yeah, hard to have a proper discussion on the 'net but I agree with you. Souray went about it all the wrong way, I was just saying I had high hopes for him. He has those leadership qualities. I see Belanger as a whiner, not a leader. And the Horcoff thing is a respect thing. You have to have a captain and a few leaders that make the younger guys a bit on-edge. The rookies don't get invited to the vets table right off the bat type of thing. I could see Horcoff being the one to ask the young guns.."can I join you guys". You get my drift.

I LOOOOOOOOOOVED YAKUPOV'S CELEBRATION. just to be clear. But if whiney, snake-in-the weeds Belenger has a problem, address it in the room, not on camera. He's part of the problem not the solution.

Sam Gagner is hockey jesus.
- Reveen

i heard people where shorter back then.

um but we are talking about now, where the team is now. and you're right timmons is great for eyeing talent. out of all the gms in the leaugue he has more of his draft picks playing in the nhl. the team right now statisticly is in the top 5 is most catagories. price is not the reason this team is in first and actually to the contrary. your statment shows you havent watcjed any habs game at all really. gally is a great piece but what about galligher? our 4 lines are crushing teams. our coaching staff is a huge reason the habs are where they are. being sincere is one thing, like when I talk about the glaairing holes in the oilers lineup. but the fact you cant prove to me why the habs will fold this year ahows a lack of sincerity and more just bullpoopting. the habs are the real deal this year baring catastrophic injuries. not saying cup worthy right away but on the right path.
- munky123

While calling him out for not watching the habs, can you honestly say you've watched a lot of oilers games this year? Note: I'm making no judgement about the you, or the habs, or claiming the oilers are perfect. Have you actually watched a lot of oilers games this year?

just to clarify:

I PVR every Oiler game and I see the Habs live from a Loge each and every game.

yeah, hard to have a proper discussion on the 'net but I agree with you. Souray went about it all the wrong way, I was just saying I had high hopes for him. He has those leadership qualities. I see Belanger as a whiner, not a leader. And the Horcoff thing is a respect thing. You have to have a captain and a few leaders that make the younger guys a bit on-edge. The rookies don't get invited to the vets table right off the bat type of thing. I could see Horcoff being the one to ask the young guns.."can I join you guys". You get my drift.

I LOOOOOOOOOOVED YAKUPOV'S CELEBRATION. just to be clear. But if whiney, snake-in-the weeds Belenger has a problem, address it in the room, not on camera. He's part of the problem not the solution.
- JLO961

this has a big problem with what is going wrong this year... the kids were all in OKC hanging out being buddy buddy... when camp started the kids already had their circle