exactly... there is gunna be a littler turnover before this core makes the playoffs.
- derm10

I think the only difference is that I don't think we definitely need to trade one of Ebs, Hall, Nuge, Yak to make it happen, nor will it instantly make us better as one of the posters claimed.

If Sutter, a 1st and a pretty good prospect gets you Staal then Gagner, a first and Klefbom gets you a dman of Staal's calibre. There are definitely options.

I think the only difference is that I don't think we definitely need to trade one of Ebs, Hall, Nuge, Yak to make it happen, nor will it instantly make us better as one of the posters claimed.

If Sutter, a 1st and a pretty good prospect gets you Staal then Gagner, a first and Klefbom gets you a dman of Staal's calibre. There are definitely options.
- Morris

i just don;t think u will get the help u need without moving one of the kids.... i also think that u don;t have to right mix upfront.... u need more size.... if u can tolerate one hall ebs yak or hemsky on the third line u may be able to get the right mix... but i would suggest moving one of the smallish forwards for a big body with skill.

i just don;t think u will get the help u need without moving one of the kids.... i also think that u don;t have to right mix upfront.... u need more size.... if u can tolerate one hall ebs yak or hemsky on the third line u may be able to get the right mix... but i would suggest moving one of the smallish forwards for a big body with skill.
- derm10

But what YOU think is of no importance...nothing this team would do would be enough to stop you from trolling.

man your reacting more with emotion. ill take that bet in a heart beat. fans have always know we had a good team, just a terrible coach. the habs are miles ahead of the oilers, sorry bro. lemme know the stuff that tells you we will finish in6-10th. I want to knwo what stats tell you that?
- munky123

I'm not going to waste time to look it up, but you can...

How many seasons do you have to go back to where the Habs finished in the top half of the playoff8? One year when Kovalev-Kostitsyn-Plecs line was rolling was a fairly good year, but for the most part they're stuck in the middle.

Timmons is also one of the best eyes for talent, so low draft picks have worked out well, but Montreal really has not experienced the cyclicallity of other teams that go from terrible to elite through the draft.

It's also another reason why everyone is so hysterical about Galchenyuk. There has not been a superstar in MTL since when? Price? Roy maybe? but no players.

switch goalies and you are in last place, it's really that simple. Also, I am trying to be sincere, not just trying to stir sh1t. This is what I see.

ok and what facts do u have that the rebuild didn;t start then.
- derm10

You are the one suggesting it did so provide us with facts, but you can't can you. your one argument was that you thought the eberle pick was the start of the rebuild is all you got. And that was pretty easy to shoot down. The facts are simple, they were still trying to compete and make the playoffs with the team they had. The 07 season they sucked especially after losing lots of players, and no one wanted to come to edmonton at that point. UFA's were not signing there. They signed penner to an offer sheet, and that is not a sign of rebuilding your team. They as i stated earlier, tried to remain competitive in 08 and 09 by coming close but falling short of the playoffs. how is that rebuilding?

Fistric, Schutlz, Schutlz, Petry, Smid and Potter will NEVER be a cup contending calibre d-core. I think most oilers fans will tell you that.

The playoffs might be in the cards sooner or later for Edmonton, depending on what kind of moves they make, but I'd bet that at least 3 of those names will be different by the time the oilers to make the playoffs.
- Morris

ill take the obvious jschultz and petry sticking. everyone else, not so sure about.

smid at a reasonable rate, n schultz on the bottom pairing and fistric at 6 or 7 guy woulnt be a disaster with 1 true top 4 guy added.

nowhere near elite, but playoff caliber? i think so

I think the only difference is that I don't think we definitely need to trade one of Ebs, Hall, Nuge, Yak to make it happen, nor will it instantly make us better as one of the posters claimed.

If Sutter, a 1st and a pretty good prospect gets you Staal then Gagner, a first and Klefbom gets you a dman of Staal's calibre. There are definitely options.
- Morris

to me ebs is the only untouchable ur gunna have to give something up to get something worth while..

anyone who made that bet would be using ones emotions... u do understand that all 30 teams are trying to win the cup each year... it isn;t mtl vs edm
- derm10

dude...how stupid are you? go back and read the post....then perhaps re-read it...then, once your heart rate slows down because of all of that expensive brain power to your system...come back to us.

But what YOU think is of no importance...nothing this team would do would be enough to stop you from trolling.
- OilHorse

Stop using facts on trolls. We all know there only weakness's are to fire and sunlight.

Fistric, Schutlz, Schutlz, Petry, Smid and Potter will NEVER be a cup contending calibre d-core. I think most oilers fans will tell you that.

The playoffs might be in the cards sooner or later for Edmonton, depending on what kind of moves they make, but I'd bet that at least 3 of those names will be different by the time the oilers to make the playoffs.
- Morris

let's not forget NJD's D core when they made the stanley cup finals last year. the opposite of spectacular.

?????-J. Schultz
Smid-Petry
N.Schultz-Fistric

add a #2/#1 depending on how well J schultz turns out, and that could be a playoff calibre defense. Let's not forget it's not the D's fault they're not winning. It's the lack of scoring. 13th in GA. 22nd in GF.

i just don;t think u will get the help u need without moving one of the kids.... i also think that u don;t have to right mix upfront.... u need more size.... if u can tolerate one hall ebs yak or hemsky on the third line u may be able to get the right mix... but i would suggest moving one of the smallish forwards for a big body with skill.
- derm10

There are certainly question marks. Pajaarvi was drafted as a big body with skill. He's a big body, he skates pretty well and he's getting solid in his own end, but he hasn't consistently made good on that skill.

Harti came from the opposite direction, but has improved leaps and bounds. I don't even think you'd need a guy with that much skill or that much size.

Burrows is smaller than Hall but he does what he needs to to make the line work. Troy Brouwer and Jason Chimera are not particularly skilled but they've done great work on the caps top 6 in previous years. Justin Williams and Trevor Lewis fit into LA's top 6. It's got to be about chemistry. We don't have a lot of chemsitry in our top 6 right now, but I don't think it's necessarily about finding a guy who is either incredibly big nor incredibly skilled. It's moreso about chemistry, which is hard to go shopping for.

ill take the obvious jschultz and petry sticking. everyone else, not so sure about.

smid at a reasonable rate, n schultz on the bottom pairing and fistric at 6 or 7 guy woulnt be a disaster with 1 true top 4 guy added.

nowhere near elite, but playoff caliber? i think so
- hugefemale dog77

There is no way we give up a player like smid. Guys like that, win you playoff games by sacrificing there body and doing everything it takes to keep the puck out of the net. The oil went to the finals in 06 because of players like that. Cant let him go.

You are the one suggesting it did so provide us with facts, but you can't can you. your one argument was that you thought the eberle pick was the start of the rebuild is all you got. And that was pretty easy to shoot down. The facts are simple, they were still trying to compete and make the playoffs with the team they had. The 07 season they sucked especially after losing lots of players, and no one wanted to come to edmonton at that point. UFA's were not signing there. They signed penner to an offer sheet, and that is not a sign of rebuilding your team. They as i stated earlier, tried to remain competitive in 08 and 09 by coming close but falling short of the playoffs. how is that rebuilding?
- ruttager17

A) i never said anything about ebs getting drafted... i only asked when they aquired the pick for him.

B) i think we should be arguing rebuild vs full-rebuild.
..... just cause you fail doesn;t mean u can call it something else...

let's not forget NJD's D core when they made the stanley cup finals last year. the opposite of spectacular.

?????-J. Schultz
Smid-Petry
N.Schultz-Fistric

add a #2/#1 depending on how well J schultz turns out, and that could be a playoff calibre defense. Let's not forget it's not the D's fault they're not winning. It's the lack of scoring. 13th in GA. 22nd in GF.
- TheNugeIsHuge

who was in net for that playoff run?

The only reason you get so many hits is because of the crap you post on here, so, I'll add to your paycheck.

ill take the obvious jschultz and petry sticking. everyone else, not so sure about.

smid at a reasonable rate, n schultz on the bottom pairing and fistric at 6 or 7 guy woulnt be a disaster with 1 true top 4 guy added.

nowhere near elite, but playoff caliber? i think so
- hugefemale dog77

Yeah, maybe playoff calibre, but not comfortable. D is never going to be our strong suit, and I think we've got 5/6/7 potential abound, but we don't have three different guys that can play 20+ solid minutes, which I'd love to see in feeling really jacked about the team once they make the playoffs.

A #2 like seabrook would EDM bring a lot closer to playoffs, but I'd settle for a Tyutin, Lubo, or Streit as a top 4 guy instead.

trading for cole, pitkanen and visnovsky. all players that were the best in the deal with mutliple players going the other way is not a rebuilding move.

attempting to trade young players for heatley, throwing huge dollars at hossa and attempting to acquire jagr are not moves made by rebuilding teams

even moving picks for kotalik and acquiring POS at the trade deadline arent moves made by rebuilding teams

but if u decided u wanted to actually know instead of just troll, then look at TD 2010 and that offseason. ud see a marked difference in strategy to the often repeated and failed attempts at making the playoffs and gettin on a run from the previous years

but thatll take time and effort, so i dont expect u too. never let the facts get in the way of a good story bro

A) i never said anything about ebs getting drafted... i only asked when they aquired the pick for him.

B) i think we should be arguing rebuild vs full-rebuild.
..... just cause you fail doesn;t mean u can call it something else...
- derm10

So you'd consider Calgary to be rebuilding right now in their O'Reilly move?

A) i never said anything about ebs getting drafted... i only asked when they aquired the pick for him.

B) i think we should be arguing rebuild vs full-rebuild.
..... just cause you fail doesn;t mean u can call it something else...
- derm10

What moves did they make that tells you they were trying to rebuild the team? You keep changing words and twisting what you say in earlier posts everytime someone comes up with something that disputes what you say. If you can't come up with a reasonable, logical argument and state any facts as to why you think they started rebuilding after the 06 season and not 10 as most people suggest, then you are just making yourself look dumber with each post.

who was in net for that playoff run?
- derm10

brodeur with the same SV% as Dubey currently has. .917

I'm not going to waste time to look it up, but you can...

How many seasons do you have to go back to where the Habs finished in the top half of the playoff8? One year when Kovalev-Kostitsyn-Plecs line was rolling was a fairly good year, but for the most part they're stuck in the middle.

Timmons is also one of the best eyes for talent, so low draft picks have worked out well, but Montreal really has not experienced the cyclicallity of other teams that go from terrible to elite through the draft.

It's also another reason why everyone is so hysterical about Galchenyuk. There has not been a superstar in MTL since when? Price? Roy maybe? but no players.

switch goalies and you are in last place, it's really that simple. Also, I am trying to be sincere, not just trying to stir sh1t. This is what I see.
- JLO961

um but we are talking about now, where the team is now. and you're right timmons is great for eyeing talent. out of all the gms in the leaugue he has more of his draft picks playing in the nhl. the team right now statisticly is in the top 5 is most catagories. price is not the reason this team is in first and actually to the contrary. your statment shows you havent watcjed any habs game at all really. gally is a great piece but what about galligher? our 4 lines are crushing teams. our coaching staff is a huge reason the habs are where they are. being sincere is one thing, like when I talk about the glaairing holes in the oilers lineup. but the fact you cant prove to me why the habs will fold this year ahows a lack of sincerity and more just bullpoopting. the habs are the real deal this year baring catastrophic injuries. not saying cup worthy right away but on the right path.

There are certainly question marks. Pajaarvi was drafted as a big body with skill. He's a big body, he skates pretty well and he's getting solid in his own end, but he hasn't consistently made good on that skill.

Harti came from the opposite direction, but has improved leaps and bounds. I don't even think you'd need a guy with that much skill or that much size.

Burrows is smaller than Hall but he does what he needs to to make the line work. Troy Brouwer and Jason Chimera are not particularly skilled but they've done great work on the caps top 6 in previous years. Justin Williams and Trevor Lewis fit into LA's top 6. It's got to be about chemistry. We don't have a lot of chemsitry in our top 6 right now, but I don't think it's necessarily about finding a guy who is either incredibly big nor incredibly skilled. It's moreso about chemistry, which is hard to go shopping for.
- Morris

ur comparing hall to burrows???
but if it's not working u gotta shake things up somehow. maybe i should pick a different word... they need more natural aggressiveness... like who does justin williams and trevor lewis play with..... they need there mike richards... i just don;t see any othe the oilers top sick dropping the gloves with any other teams big body up front .... or fighting the opposition big stud d-man

Yeah, maybe playoff calibre, but not comfortable. D is never going to be our strong suit, and I think we've got 5/6/7 potential abound, but we don't have three different guys that can play 20+ solid minutes, which I'd love to see in feeling really jacked about the team once they make the playoffs.
- Morris

imo we've got 2 that can do it. long term anyway. schultz age and petrys errors in judgment and learning curve aside.

one more with a smid at 4 is adequate to feel comfortable.... thats why whitneys struggles have been such a monumental dissapointment.

NEW TOPIC: (i.e. derm GTFO)

I really think all of the Oilers' current chemistry, injury, winning, effort, whatever...problems are a direct result of lack of leadership. Shawn Horcoff is a great guy, a hard worker...and a pretty decent third-line NHLer. HE's not a leader. Ales Hemsky with an A on his sweater? really?

I would have liked to have seen a Brendan Morrow/David Backhas type captain, with some leaders on the team. I thought Souray was great! but the Oilers leadership at the time was a joke...and Souray said it actually..one day on the bench during a game. "this is a joke, why am I here?" I believe is what he said.

Brendan Morrow, Darren Helm, Justin Abdelkader, Jordin Tootoo, Cal Clutterbuck, Niklas Kronwall, Matt Greene, Brooks Orpik, John Erskine, Jeff Schultz, Nokalainen, Brian Boyle, Volchenkov, Andy Greene...

I want to see some guys with some friggin' heart and soul on this team. If Belanger has something to say about Yakupov's celebration, tell HIM, not the media! trip him on the way into the room. Smash him into the boards in practice. It's too loose and fun in EDM. It has to end. These kids need a spanking! lol