horrible..... she has been depressed for year... but then again she is an oilers fan.
- derm10

I am gonna have to go and get all upset now because you are making jokes about a mental illness. I will be sending you some PM's to express my anger.

huh??

ebs got 30+ and 76 pts in his sophmore year
hall was on that pace too before his injury. he had 26 in 60 games. and is a ppg this year too.

these pt totals are very close to toews and kane at the same points in their careers. i think ebs actually outscored both of them last year.

how do u measure determination?? have u ever seen taylor hall play? thats a ridiculous statement.

malkin and crosby might be the 2 best players in the world, so no ones as good as them prob, but to write off ebs for no other reason than ur personal opinion doesnt hold alot of weight.
- hugefemale dog77

and kane won a cup in his third year..... are hall and ebs gunna win a cup at the same point of their career as kane and toews

I would like to help out his depressed mom with some of her special needs.
- Reveen

Is she hot? Like how would you rate her on a 1-10 milf scale?

Is she hot? Like how would you rate her on a 1-10 milf scale?
- ruttager17

Irrelevant, the lights will be off.

never wrote off ebs.... never even brought him up... just said the oilers lottery picks are on the same level as toes kane crosby or malkin.
- derm10

and i just showed u that ur wrong. ebs and hall have comparable if not better numbers than them at the same stages of their careers. in fact ebs at a few years younger outscored them last year.

hall doesnt have the same determination as those guys? this proves ur ignorance. in fact, how 'determined' is kane really?

ur starting to show ur cards now bud. nothing ur saying is based on fact.

keith and seabrook needed some time to develop. 2 players in which they drafted.
i think ur forgetting how bad and for how long the hawks were terrible.
the pens had 5 lottery picks in a row
- hugefemale dog77

so ur saying the oilers have a long way to go?
exactly my point.. the hawks suck for a long time... what makes u think the oilers can turn it around so fast... the hawks also drafted well through out the draft.. not just the top lottery picks.... they also made trades.... like the patrick sharp trade... haven;t seen the oilers make any trades.

and i just showed u that ur wrong. ebs and hall have comparable if not better numbers than them at the same stages of their careers. in fact ebs at a few years younger outscored them last year.

hall doesnt have the same determination as those guys? this proves ur ignorance. in fact, how 'determined' is kane really?

ur starting to show ur cards now bud. nothing ur saying is based on fact.
- hugefemale dog77

well he won them a cup.

and i just showed u that ur wrong. ebs and hall have comparable if not better numbers than them at the same stages of their careers. in fact ebs at a few years younger outscored them last year.

hall doesnt have the same determination as those guys? this proves ur ignorance. in fact, how 'determined' is kane really?

ur starting to show ur cards now bud. nothing ur saying is based on fact.
- hugefemale dog77

the determination comment was more for toews and crosby.. but even still... same stages in ther careers.. kane and toews had a ring by now.

and kane won a cup in his third year..... are hall and ebs gunna win a cup at the same point of their career as kane and toews
- derm10

theyre team was way better. this has no reflection on hall or ebs. how does hall and ebs having no secondary scoring, reflect poorly on them and not just the franchise?
chicago went out and signed kopecky, hossa and campbell.
which were huge insulators and help. which im hoping the oilers emulate. and i cant see that they wont.
plus keith and seabrook had time to develop.

do u just think chicago was good overnight?

theyre team was way better. this has no reflection on hall or ebs. how does hall and ebs having no secondary scoring, reflect poorly on them and not just the franchise?
chicago went out and signed kopecky, hossa and campbell.
which were huge insulators and help. which im hoping the oilers emulate. and i cant see that they wont.
plus keith and seabrook had time to develop.

do u just think chicago was good overnight?
- hugefemale dog77

no not at all.. took years..... so what make u think the oilers are even close to competing?

theyre team was way better. this has no reflection on hall or ebs. how does hall and ebs having no secondary scoring, reflect poorly on them and not just the franchise?
chicago went out and signed kopecky, hossa and campbell.
which were huge insulators and help. which im hoping the oilers emulate. and i cant see that they wont.
plus keith and seabrook had time to develop.

do u just think chicago was good overnight?
- hugefemale dog77

thats my point.. the hawks built a team... the oilers are just collecting top draft picks.

no not at all.. took years..... so what make u think the oilers are even close to competing?
- derm10

Why do you care? Just tell your mom to start cheering for a different team.

Why do you care? Just tell your mom to start cheering for a different team.
- Reveen

why do u care?

so ur saying the oilers have a long way to go?
exactly my point.. the hawks suck for a long time... what makes u think the oilers can turn it around so fast... the hawks also drafted well through out the draft.. not just the top lottery picks.... they also made trades.... like the patrick sharp trade... haven;t seen the oilers make any trades.
- derm10

the oilers need to make moves for vet help and seconday scoring. like the hawks did. i think they do that, and theyre in a different echelon than they are now.

and macgregors doen a fine job at drafting past the first overalls too. cant blame him for having high picks though. hes restocked a completely bare cupboard with lower picks since taking over.
ebs was at 22 btw.
dont get into that debate, ull only end up looking foolish

and the oilers are turning around. theyre a wayy better team than they were 2 seasons ago when the rebuild started

the oilers need to make moves for vet help and seconday scoring. like the hawks did. i think they do that, and theyre in a different echelon than they are now.

and macgregors doen a fine job at drafting past the first overalls too. cant blame him for having high picks though. hes restocked a completely bare cupboard with lower picks since taking over.
ebs was at 22 btw.
dont get into that debate, ull only end up looking foolish

and the oilers are turning around. theyre a wayy better team than they were 2 seasons ago when the rebuild started
- hugefemale dog77

the rebuild only started two years ago???? any yes ebs was 22nd overall... in the first round.... i mean past the first round.... what players to u have in ur lineup drafted after the first round?

fire management... after that u need to evaluate talent.. and rather quickly..... hard to take back the last 3 years of sitting idle.... but u need to turn players in an area of strength into a player to help out there needs..... and yes u are gunna have to give up at least one if not 2 of the untouchable 6.
- derm10

Thanks for the input.

My thoughts on that are as follows:

1) the untouchable 6 don't exist. No one on our team is untouchable, every player could be had for the right price, and if there is a list of incredibly favoured players on Edmonton, it's not 6 names long, because Klefbom is no where near it. If you're writing Clouts' opinions as the opinion of oilers fans at large, let alone management, I can see where you get the idea that the GM is unwilling to make a move.

2) As for the "areas of strength to areas of weakness" argument, I understand that. But that is why you often names like Gagner, Hemsky and Jones - players who fulfill roles not unsimilar to Nuge, Ebs and Hall - on the list of players who will be moved out to meet areas of need. As for trading one of our draft picks, I can't remember the last time a 1st overall was traded within three years of being drafted, let alone multiple. Among Pittsburgh's top picks (Whitney, Fleury, Malkin, Crosby and Staal), it took 6 and a half years to trade any of those guys. They still have 3 of 5, and went to two cup finals, winning one, with four of them on the roster. I personally think it would be a kick in the face to the fan base to sit through three basement seasons only to see us trade the only spoils from them a year and a half later.

It's poor asset management to trade ELC guys you just scouted, drafted and developed, isn't it? There are certainly moves to be made, but unless there's a problem with chemistry among members of their young core, I don't understand why they need to go.

In my mind, there's a great argument that we need players that fill a more diverse set of roles. I'm not sure it necessarily means we need to trade any of the kids to make that happen, but for the right support player (and it seems like you can get players like Staal, Hossa, Kovalchuk, Richards and Carter for the right package deal, let alone a guy like Luke Schenn) they're ready to trade out some of their so-called "duplicate assets".

Thanks again.

thats my point.. the hawks built a team... the oilers are just collecting top draft picks.
- derm10

u mean 3 top draft picks.

the hawks had 2 in the top 2 and two in the top 10 and then a year later signed campbell. then a year later signed hossa.

schultz not a top draft pick. ebs was 22. petry was 2nd round. hartakainen was low. etc etc
u get my point

pitts had 5 lottery picks in a row..then signed gonchar and made moves after the fact

gomez was bought out... with no hit to the cap.... check ur facts.
- derm10

Ummmm according to cap-geek there is no hit to next years or the year afters cap but the total buyout of 6.457m hit the cap this season. As the cap is going down what from 70m to 64m this next season and staying there for the next 6 seasons( again according to cap geek). I do not see what your point there is when yes his 6m buy-out hit this years cap.

the rebuild only started two years ago???? any yes ebs was 22nd overall... in the first round.... i mean past the first round.... what players to u have in ur lineup drafted after the first round?
- derm10

Teemu Hartikainen

Thanks for the input.

My thoughts on that are as follows:

1) the untouchable 6 don't exist. No one on our team is untouchable, every player could be had for the right price, and if there is a list of incredibly favoured players on Edmonton, it's not 6 names long, because Klefbom is no where near it. If you're writing Clouts' opinions as the opinion of oilers fans at large, let alone management, I can see where you get the idea that the GM is unwilling to make a move.

2) As for the "areas of strength to areas of weakness" argument, I understand that. But that is why you often names like Gagner, Hemsky and Jones - players who fulfill roles not unsimilar to Nuge, Ebs and Hall - on the list of players who will be moved out to meet areas of need. As for trading one of our draft picks, I can't remember the last time a 1st overall was traded within three years of being drafted, let alone multiple. Among Pittsburgh's top picks (Whitney, Fleury, Malkin, Crosby and Staal), it took 6 and a half years to trade any of those guys. They still have 3 of 5, and went to two cup finals, winning one, with four of them on the roster. I personally think it would be a kick in the face to the fan base to sit through three basement seasons only to see us trade the only spoils from them a year and a half later.

It's poor asset management to trade ELC guys you just scouted, drafted and developed, isn't it? There are certainly moves to be made, but unless there's a problem with chemistry among members of their young core, I don't understand why they need to go.

In my mind, there's a great argument that we need players that fill a more diverse set of roles. I'm not sure it necessarily means we need to trade any of the kids to make that happen, but for the right support player (and it seems like you can get players like Staal, Hossa, Kovalchuk, Richards and Carter for the right package deal, let alone a guy like Luke Schenn) they're ready to trade out some of their so-called "duplicate assets".

Thanks again.
- Morris

thats fine with if.. but don;t say the oilers are a year away from competeing then..... witha 6.5 yr rebuild and only being on ur 2nd year u have 4.5 years to go. i have no arguements there

the rebuild only started two years ago???? any yes ebs was 22nd overall... in the first round.... i mean past the first round.... what players to u have in ur lineup drafted after the first round?
- derm10

BBC

Teemu Hartikainen
- Reveen

just one?

why do u care?
- derm10

Because reveen cares. That is just the nature of his character and who he is. He can't turn it off. That would be like asking Robin Williams to turn off being funny.

the rebuild only started two years ago???? any yes ebs was 22nd overall... in the first round.... i mean past the first round.... what players to u have in ur lineup drafted after the first round?
- derm10

Shawn Horcoff

Jeff Petry

u mean 3 top draft picks.

the hawks had 2 in the top 2 and two in the top 10 and then a year later signed campbell. then a year later signed hossa.

schultz not a top draft pick. ebs was 22. petry was 2nd round. hartakainen was low. etc etc
u get my point

pitts had 5 lottery picks in a row..then signed gonchar and made moves after the fact
- hugefemale dog77

did the hawks and pens draft small skilled forwards with all there picks?