if ther are evenly skilled players then it is a simple choice... gally is the better two way player.. and if they are evenly skilled then i would conclude that gally is the better player.
- derm10

Based on...?

@derm10 - Congratulations on pissing everyone off with simple one-liners. To everyone else, he's just playing Devils Advocate and feeding off your guys anger. Yes Edmonton is not a good team right now; who doesn't know this?

Based on...?
- Jack-artist

the past posts... is has been agreed on.... don;t try and argue nail is a better defensive then gally.. we've been through this already.

so then who is the expert?
- derm10

if we're attempting to try and model our franchises around successful ones in the current climate, id say pittsburgh and chicago would probably be the benchmarks.
boston and vancouver can probably be involved in the conversation too.

certainly NOT the montreal canadiens though.

the oilers have tons of holes and deficiencies obviously, but id say the oilers rebuild or model is closer to the aforementioned than mtl's by a country mile.
at least the pattern theyve attempted to emulate anyway.

the past posts... is has been agreed on.... don;t try and argue nail is a better defensive then gally.. we've been through this already.
- derm10

I haven't found anything convincing. I thought Galch was slightly better in junior at defense, but seeing both play at the NHL level and looking at a few other metrics, I don't know if we can say Galch is the better 2-way player with confidence.

I'm not allowed to argue? Guess I should just quit the internet.

if we're attempting to try and model our franchises around successful ones in the current climate, id say pittsburgh and chicago would probably be the benchmarks.
boston and vancouver can probably be involved in the conversation too.

certainly NOT the montreal canadiens though.

the oilers have tons of holes and deficiencies obviously, but id say the oilers rebuild or model is closer to the aforementioned than mtl's by a country mile.
at least the pattern theyve attempted to emulate anyway.
- hugefemale dog77

i never said montreal franchises was one to model around.. i just don;t think edmonton is ahead of montreal.... montreal has more established pieces in more defencsive roles..... u have to tak into account that pitt and chicago have elite talent.... the oilers have gotten a few lottery picks.... but none have shown the same level of skill or determination as kane toews malkin or crosby.

@derm10 - Congratulations on pissing everyone off with simple one-liners. To everyone else, he's just playing Devils Advocate and feeding off your guys anger. Yes Edmonton is not a good team right now; who doesn't know this?
- Dangles13

im not angry at all.

blind nonsense hate and gloating happens all the time.
and increasingly from habs fans recently cause theyre doing well.
good for them. but i have no illusions that they are nowhere near a real contender.

a perenial contender is my definition of true success, and that\s what im hoping from the oilers. time will tell.

as far as galchenyuk, he looks great. im a fan. but yakupov is also a jaw dropping talent.
the only thing about gally that gives me pause over yaks, is that hes a decent sized centermen, something we could use. but his +- in 20 games in their rookie season relations to yaks isnt even worth mentioning imo

I haven't found anything convincing. I thought Galch was slightly better in junior at defense, but seeing both play at the NHL level and looking at a few other metrics, I don't know if we can say Galch is the better 2-way player with confidence.

I'm not allowed to argue? Guess I should just quit the internet.
- Jack-artist

ur allowed ot argue all u want.. i encourage it..... yes montreal is a better team in the standing by the plus minus give gally the edge.

im not angry at all.

blind nonsense hate and gloating happens all the time.
and increasingly from habs fans recently cause theyre doing well.
good for them. but i have no illusions that they are nowhere near a real contender.

a perenial contender is my definition of true success, and that\s what im hoping from the oilers. time will tell.

as far as galchenyuk, he looks great. im a fan. but yakupov is also a jaw dropping talent.
the only thing about gally that gives me pause over yaks, is that hes a decent sized centermen, something we could use. but his +- in 20 games in their rookie season relations to yaks isnt even worth mentioning imo
- hugefemale dog77

who says i'm a habs fan..... please don;t group me with that fanbase.

i never said montreal franchises was one to model around.. i just don;t think edmonton is ahead of montreal.... montreal has more established pieces in more defencsive roles..... u have to tak into account that pitt and chicago have elite talent.... the oilers have gotten a few lottery picks.... but none have shown the same level of skill or determination as kane toews malkin or crosby.
- derm10

Just getting out of bed, and this is the nonsense I have to wake up to?

ur allowed ot argue all u want.. i encourage it..... yes montreal is a better team in the standing by the plus minus give gally the edge.
- derm10

Plus-minus is related to team success, partially influenced by Galch, but if you were reading the past few pages like you told me to do, you'll see the plus-minus stat was "refuted". Kinda like how anything other than Gally > Nail defensively was supposedly "refuted", and it wasn't.

who says i'm a habs fan..... please don;t group me with that fanbase.
- derm10

I'll ask again: what exactly is your recommendation for the Edmonton franchise?

if we're attempting to try and model our franchises around successful ones in the current climate, id say pittsburgh and chicago would probably be the benchmarks.
boston and vancouver can probably be involved in the conversation too.

certainly NOT the montreal canadiens though.

the oilers have tons of holes and deficiencies obviously, but id say the oilers rebuild or model is closer to the aforementioned than mtl's by a country mile.
at least the pattern theyve attempted to emulate anyway.
- hugefemale dog77

and both teams had well established defence core before they because a contender.... oh an may i remind u that whitney was once a prized piece of pitts rebuild.... they had to let peices go to trade and take the next step.... good thing they kept letang and traded whitney.... could be a different story if trade letang and keep whitney.

my past delusions... my imaginary friends all agreed on.... don;t try and argue nail is a better defensive then gally.. we've been through this already.
- derm10

excellent point

who says i'm a habs fan..... please don;t group me with that fanbase.
- derm10

how's your mom doing

excellent point
- Reveen

Hey does anybody remember the movie "Whats eating Gilbert Grape". Man did that Leo Dicraprio do an excellent job of playing a retarded boy. Like oscar winning stuff.

I'll ask again: what exactly is your recommendation for the Edmonton franchise?
- Morris

fire management... after that u need to evaluate talent.. and rather quickly..... hard to take back the last 3 years of sitting idle.... but u need to turn players in an area of strength into a player to help out there needs..... and yes u are gunna have to give up at least one if not 2 of the untouchable 6.

i never said montreal franchises was one to model around.. i just don;t think edmonton is ahead of edmonton.... montreal has more established pieces in more defencsive roles..... u have to tak into account that pitt and chicago have elite talent.... the oilers have gotten a few lottery picks.... but none have shown the same level of skill or determination as kane toews malkin or crosby.
- derm10

huh??

ebs got 30+ and 76 pts in his sophmore year
hall was on that pace too before his injury. he had 26 in 60 games. and is a ppg this year too.

these pt totals are very close to toews and kane at the same points in their careers. i think ebs actually outscored both of them last year.

how do u measure determination?? have u ever seen taylor hall play? thats a ridiculous statement.

malkin and crosby might be the 2 best players in the world, so no ones as good as them prob, but to write off ebs for no other reason than ur personal opinion doesnt hold alot of weight.

how's your mom doing
- Reveen

horrible..... she has been depressed for year... but then again she is an oilers fan.

Hey does anybody remember the movie "Whats eating Gilbert Grape". Man did that Leo Dicraprio do an excellent job of playing a retarded boy. Like oscar winning stuff.
- ruttager17

I wonder if this guy is LB's "special needs" relative.

huh??

ebs got 30+ and 76 pts in his sophmore year
hall was on that pace too before his injury. he had 26 in 60 games. and is a ppg this year too.

these pt totals are very close to toews and kane at the same points in their careers. i think ebs actually outscored both of them last year.

how do u measure determination?? have u ever seen taylor hall play? thats a ridiculous statement.

malkin and crosby might be the 2 best players in the world, so no ones as good as them prob, but to write off ebs for no other reason than ur personal opinion doesnt hold alot of weight.
- hugefemale dog77

never wrote off ebs.... never even brought him up... just said the oilers lottery picks are on the same level as toes kane crosby or malkin.

and both teams had well established defence core before they because a contender.... oh an may i remind u that whitney was once a prized piece of pitts rebuild.... they had to let peices go to trade and take the next step.... good thing they kept letang and traded whitney.... could be a different story if trade letang and keep whitney.
- derm10

keith and seabrook needed some time to develop. 2 players in which they drafted.
i think ur forgetting how bad and for how long the hawks were terrible.
the pens had 5 lottery picks in a row

horrible..... she has been depressed for year... but then again she is an oilers fan.
- derm10

I'm sorry to hear that

If you want I could try and help cheer her up.

I wonder if this guy is LB's "special needs" relative.
- Reveen

Hey, "special needs" I like what you did there sir. Very politically correct. After reading the last couple pages there are definitely some special needs required.

Hey, "special needs" I like what you did there sir. Very politically correct. After reading the last couple pages there are definitely some special needs required.
- ruttager17

I would like to help out his depressed mom with some of her special needs.