Sorry, just saying

When someone comes on a forum like this and claims that they have sources, it's such a bold statement that it's simply unbelievable.

That deal you put forward would be a nice haul, and I'm not even inclined to move Kuli until the off-season as we need his two-way skills
- AngryWhiteMale

Totally understandable... He is a friend and tied to Blues. I live in St. Louis so I only know who St. Louis would be offering. Except Kulemin was mentioned by name ...not claiming I have sources but the uh who told me I believe.
I just wondered if it was for Jaden Schwartz wouldn't our dman going back have to be pretty good. Hopefully not Gardiner

I feel Liles will be easy to move - not so concerned with the return as I am with being able to dump the salary, I'd be happy with a 3rd
- steve362

Agree

I want him off the books so our cap situation is cleaner going into the summer, and we would thus get a chance to insert Gardiner into the lineup, something we've needed

You didn't take in the Clouts factor. He's actually a top line power forward in the mold of Lucic.
- AdamFrench

Oh right.

Never mind then. We've got Biggs. Town isn't big enough for two Lucics and a Phaneuf.

its not pro-rated numbers. its almost a ppg in a legitimate nhl season.
- sens rock

That's almost exactly what pro-rated means. You can't say Kadri will score a point per game over 82 games just because he did it in 48 games. If you do, which is basically what you're saying, that's called pro-rating his numbers to fit a full season. What he can do in a full season is still unknown and therefore you can't pay him as if he played 82 games when he only played 48.

if every hockey player went back into a new draft, and you were picking for the Leafs (or whoever), what would you rather have: the 1st overall and 20th overall, or the 10th and 11th overall?

if every hockey player went back into a new draft, and you were picking for the Leafs (or whoever), what would you rather have: the 1st overall and 20th overall, or the 10th and 11th overall?
- Zezel

who is picking the players? howson or holland?

dreger said where....

And what Dman?? I'm not interested in Cole.
- burn

Don't care who your interested in unless your Dave Nonis just put out there what I heard. If it happens you'll say he heard....if it doesn't I'll say the guy who I thought was pretty credible isn't

who is picking the players? howson or holland?
- wingz4life

you're picking the players

I said almost...his +50 was the second highest since 1999 and the three guys ahead were Forsberg (Hart trophy)/Hedjuk (Rocket Richard) and Pronger in his Hart trophy year.
- AdamFrench

Rank Player +/- Season
1. Bobby Orr* 124 1970-71
2. Larry Robinson* 120 1976-77
3. Wayne Gretzky* 98 1984-85
4. Dallas Smith 94 1970-71
5. Guy Lafleur* 89 1976-77
6. Steve Shutt* 88 1976-77
7. Bobby Orr* 86 1971-72
8. Mark Howe* 85 1985-86
9. Bobby Orr* 84 1973-74
10. Bobby Clarke* 83 1975-76
Brad McCrimmon 83 1985-86
12. Wayne Gretzky* 81 1981-82
13. Bobby Orr* 80 1974-75
14. Bobby Clarke* 79 1974-75
Serge Savard* 79 1976-77
16. Jacques Laperriere* 78 1972-73
Brian Engblom 78 1981-82
18. Wayne Gretzky* 76 1983-84
Bryan Trottier* 76 1978-79
Jari Kurri* 76 1984-85
21. Bill Barber* 74 1975-76
22. Guy Lafleur* 73 1977-78
Steve Shutt* 73 1975-76
Reggie Leach 73 1975-76
25. Pete Mahovlich 71 1975-76
Larry Robinson* 71 1977-78
Phil Esposito* 71 1970-71
Ken Hodge 71 1970-71
Wayne Gretzky* 71 1985-86
Serge Savard* 71 1974-75
Denis Potvin* 71 1978-79
32. Bryan Trottier* 70 1981-82
Jacques Lemaire* 70 1976-77
Serge Savard* 70 1972-73
Bryan Trottier* 70 1983-84
Rick Smith 70 1977-78
Wayne Gretzky* 70 1986-87
38. Guy Lapointe* 69 1976-77
Mike Bossy* 69 1981-82
40. Brad Park* 68 1977-78
Guy Lafleur* 68 1975-76
42. Rod Langway* 66 1981-82
Mike Bossy* 66 1983-84
44. Jimmy Watson 65 1975-76
Bobby Orr* 65 1968-69
46. Al Sims 64 1973-74
Guy Lapointe* 64 1975-76
48. Mike Bossy* 63 1978-79
Brian Engblom 63 1980-81
50. Charlie Huddy 62 1982-83
Michel Goulet* 62 1983-84
Serge Savard* 62 1977-78
Brad Park* 62 1971-72
54. Larry Robinson* 61 1974-75
Don Luce 61 1974-75
Paul Coffey* 61 1985-86
Jean Ratelle* 61 1971-72
58. Jim Schoenfeld 60 1979-80
Vic Hadfield 60 1971-72
Wayne Gretzky* 60 1982-83
Vladimir Konstantinov 60 1995-96
62. Pierre Mondou 59 1978-79
Wayne Cashman 59 1970-71
Jacques Lemaire* 59 1972-73
65. Ed Westfall 58 1970-71
66. Larry Robinson* 57 1981-82
Andre Dupont 57 1976-77
Clark Gillies* 57 1978-79
Mark Howe* 57 1986-87
Denis Potvin* 57 1977-78
71. Joe Watson 56 1975-76
Bobby Orr* 56 1972-73
Mike Krushelnyski 56 1984-85
Steve Shutt* 56 1977-78
Bill Nyrop 56 1977-78
Guy Lafleur* 56 1978-79
Phil Esposito* 56 1968-69
78. Denis Potvin* 55 1983-84
Mario Lemieux* 55 1992-93
Marcel Dionne* 55 1980-81
Paul Coffey* 55 1984-85
Phil Esposito* 55 1971-72
83. Bobby Hull* 54 1971-72
Bobby Orr* 54 1969-70
Jacques Lemaire* 54 1977-78
86. Reggie Leach 53 1974-75
Scott Stevens* 53 1993-94
Jimmy Watson 53 1979-80
Rod Langway* 53 1980-81
Rod Seiling 53 1971-72
Ken Morrow 53 1981-82
92. Mike Milbury 52 1977-78
Serge Savard* 52 1975-76
Keith Magnuson 52 1971-72
Brad McCrimmon 52 1984-85
Raymond Bourque* 52 1979-80
Bryan Trottier* 52 1977-78
Paul Coffey* 52 1983-84
Barry Ashbee 52 1973-74
J.C. Tremblay 52 1971-72
Chris Pronger 52 1999-00
Guy Lafleur* 52 1974-75
Milan Hejduk 52 2002-03
Paul Coffey* 52 1982-83
Peter Forsberg 52 2002-03
106. Raymond Bourque* 51 1983-84
Craig Ramsay 51 1974-75
Joe Mullen* 51 1988-89
Bill White 51 1970-71
Rod Gilbert* 51 1971-72
Greg Gilbert 51 1983-84
Guy Lapointe* 51 1972-73
Phil Esposito* 51 1973-74
Mark Howe* 51 1984-85
Bill White 51 1973-74
Mario Marois 51 1983-84
117. Charlie Huddy 50 1984-85
John Tonelli 50 1984-85
Yvan Cournoyer* 50 1972-73
Larry Robinson* 50 1978-79
Jeff Schultz 50 2009-10

Totally understandable... He is a friend and tied to Blues. I live in St. Louis so I only know who St. Louis would be offering. Except Kulemin was mentioned by name ...not claiming I have sources but the uh who told me I believe.
I just wondered if it was for Jaden Schwartz wouldn't our dman going back have to be pretty good. Hopefully not Gardiner
- tmlfan17

...There's no logic in moving young D for young D.

Nonis is looking to trim the fat right now, and if he can return with anything of value or the likes of Komi, Liles, Mac etc then great.

As long as we don't have any problems with cap space over the next 2 years with the likes of Dion, Kessel, Kadri and Reimer
We still have to get Gunnarsson & Franson new deals too

if every hockey player went back into a new draft, and you were picking for the Leafs (or whoever), what would you rather have: the 1st overall and 20th overall, or the 10th and 11th overall?
- Zezel

1st 20th, Crosby and Giroux

I'd certainly go the route of the 2nd between the two, esp. if we could lowball them into taking the Anaheim 2nd.

He's like what? An older Petry with little room for growth? Or better than Whitney this year but worse than Whitney when healthy?
- Morris

He's been crap since he got power slammed last year.

...There's no logic in moving young D for young D.

Nonis is looking to trim the fat right now, and if he can return with anything of value or the likes of Komi, Liles, Mac etc then great.

As long as we don't have any problems with cap space over the next 2 years with the likes of Dion, Kessel, Kadri and Reimer
We still have to get Gunnarsson & Franson new deals too
- AngryWhiteMale

Jaden Schwartz was a center for Team Canada World Jr team.
This is a damn for a center deal by t he sounds of it

1st 20th, Crosby and Giroux
- AdamFrench

lol interesting, assuming Giroux is there at 20

you're picking the players
- Zezel

#1 id take Dipietro
#20 id take tim thomas


good goaltending duo

Rank Player +/- Season
1. Bobby Orr* 124 1970-71
2. Larry Robinson* 120 1976-77
3. Wayne Gretzky* 98 1984-85
4. Dallas Smith 94 1970-71
5. Guy Lafleur* 89 1976-77
6. Steve Shutt* 88 1976-77
7. Bobby Orr* 86 1971-72
8. Mark Howe* 85 1985-86
9. Bobby Orr* 84 1973-74
10. Bobby Clarke* 83 1975-76
Brad McCrimmon 83 1985-86
12. Wayne Gretzky* 81 1981-82
13. Bobby Orr* 80 1974-75
14. Bobby Clarke* 79 1974-75
Serge Savard* 79 1976-77
16. Jacques Laperriere* 78 1972-73
Brian Engblom 78 1981-82
18. Wayne Gretzky* 76 1983-84
Bryan Trottier* 76 1978-79
Jari Kurri* 76 1984-85
21. Bill Barber* 74 1975-76
22. Guy Lafleur* 73 1977-78
Steve Shutt* 73 1975-76
Reggie Leach 73 1975-76
25. Pete Mahovlich 71 1975-76
Larry Robinson* 71 1977-78
Phil Esposito* 71 1970-71
Ken Hodge 71 1970-71
Wayne Gretzky* 71 1985-86
Serge Savard* 71 1974-75
Denis Potvin* 71 1978-79
32. Bryan Trottier* 70 1981-82
Jacques Lemaire* 70 1976-77
Serge Savard* 70 1972-73
Bryan Trottier* 70 1983-84
Rick Smith 70 1977-78
Wayne Gretzky* 70 1986-87
38. Guy Lapointe* 69 1976-77
Mike Bossy* 69 1981-82
40. Brad Park* 68 1977-78
Guy Lafleur* 68 1975-76
42. Rod Langway* 66 1981-82
Mike Bossy* 66 1983-84
44. Jimmy Watson 65 1975-76
Bobby Orr* 65 1968-69
46. Al Sims 64 1973-74
Guy Lapointe* 64 1975-76
48. Mike Bossy* 63 1978-79
Brian Engblom 63 1980-81
50. Charlie Huddy 62 1982-83
Michel Goulet* 62 1983-84
Serge Savard* 62 1977-78
Brad Park* 62 1971-72
54. Larry Robinson* 61 1974-75
Don Luce 61 1974-75
Paul Coffey* 61 1985-86
Jean Ratelle* 61 1971-72
58. Jim Schoenfeld 60 1979-80
Vic Hadfield 60 1971-72
Wayne Gretzky* 60 1982-83
Vladimir Konstantinov 60 1995-96
62. Pierre Mondou 59 1978-79
Wayne Cashman 59 1970-71
Jacques Lemaire* 59 1972-73
65. Ed Westfall 58 1970-71
66. Larry Robinson* 57 1981-82
Andre Dupont 57 1976-77
Clark Gillies* 57 1978-79
Mark Howe* 57 1986-87
Denis Potvin* 57 1977-78
71. Joe Watson 56 1975-76
Bobby Orr* 56 1972-73
Mike Krushelnyski 56 1984-85
Steve Shutt* 56 1977-78
Bill Nyrop 56 1977-78
Guy Lafleur* 56 1978-79
Phil Esposito* 56 1968-69
78. Denis Potvin* 55 1983-84
Mario Lemieux* 55 1992-93
Marcel Dionne* 55 1980-81
Paul Coffey* 55 1984-85
Phil Esposito* 55 1971-72
83. Bobby Hull* 54 1971-72
Bobby Orr* 54 1969-70
Jacques Lemaire* 54 1977-78
86. Reggie Leach 53 1974-75
Scott Stevens* 53 1993-94
Jimmy Watson 53 1979-80
Rod Langway* 53 1980-81
Rod Seiling 53 1971-72
Ken Morrow 53 1981-82
92. Mike Milbury 52 1977-78
Serge Savard* 52 1975-76
Keith Magnuson 52 1971-72
Brad McCrimmon 52 1984-85
Raymond Bourque* 52 1979-80
Bryan Trottier* 52 1977-78
Paul Coffey* 52 1983-84
Barry Ashbee 52 1973-74
J.C. Tremblay 52 1971-72
Chris Pronger 52 1999-00
Guy Lafleur* 52 1974-75
Milan Hejduk 52 2002-03
Paul Coffey* 52 1982-83
Peter Forsberg 52 2002-03
106. Raymond Bourque* 51 1983-84
Craig Ramsay 51 1974-75
Joe Mullen* 51 1988-89
Bill White 51 1970-71
Rod Gilbert* 51 1971-72
Greg Gilbert 51 1983-84
Guy Lapointe* 51 1972-73
Phil Esposito* 51 1973-74
Mark Howe* 51 1984-85
Bill White 51 1973-74
Mario Marois 51 1983-84
117. Charlie Huddy 50 1984-85
John Tonelli 50 1984-85
Yvan Cournoyer* 50 1972-73
Larry Robinson* 50 1978-79
Jeff Schultz 50 2009-10
- mykokes

I'm afraid you've been outmaneuvered my friend 2010-2011 +33 Zdeno Chára (D) 1977-03-18 Trencin, SVK New York Islanders
2009-2010 +50 Jeff Schultz (D) 1986-02-25 Calgary, AB, CAN Washington Capitals
2008-2009 +37 David Krejci (C) 1986-04-28 Sternberk, CZE Boston Bruins
2007-2008 +41 Pavel Datsyuk (C/LW) 1978-07-20 Ekaterinburg, RUS Detroit Red Wings
2006-2007 +47 Thomas Vanek (LW) 1984-01-19 Baden, AUT Buffalo Sabres
2005-2006 +35 Michal Rozsival (D) 1978-09-03 Vlasim, CZE Pittsburgh Penguins
+35 Wade Redden (D) 1977-06-12 Lloydminster, SK, CAN New York Islanders
2003-2004 +35 Marek Malik (D) 1975-06-24 Ostrava, CZE Hartford Whalers
+35 Martin St. Louis (RW/LW) 1975-06-18 Laval, QC, CAN
2002-2003 +52 Peter Forsberg (C) 1973-07-20 Örnsköldsvik, SWE Philadelphia Flyers
+52 Milan Hejduk (RW) 1976-02-14 Usti nad Labem, CZE Québec Nordiques
2001-2002 +40 Chris Chelios (D) 1962-01-25 Chicago, IL, USA Montréal Canadiens
2000-2001 +45 Joe Sakic (C) 1969-07-07 Burnaby, BC, CAN Québec Nordiques
+45 Patrik Elias (C/LW) 1976-04-13 Trebic, CZE New Jersey Devils
1999-2000 +52 Chris Pronger (D) 1974-10-10 Dryden, ON, CAN Hartford Whalers
1998-1999 +36 John LeClair (LW) 1969-07-05 St. Albans, VT, USA Montréal Canadiens
1997-1998 +47 Chris Pronger (D) 1974-10-10 Dryden, ON, CAN Hartford Whalers
1996-1997 +44 John LeClair (LW) 1969-07-05 St. Albans, VT, USA Montréal Canadiens
1995-1996 +60 Vladimir Konstantinov (D) 1967-03-19 Murmansk, RUS Detroit Red Wings
1994-1995 +30 Ron Francis (C) 1963-03-01 Sault Ste. Marie, ON, CAN Hartford Whalers
1993-1994 +53 Scott Stevens (D) 1964-04-01 Kitchener, ON, CAN Washington Capitals
1992-1993 +55 Mario Lemieux (C) 1965-10-05 Montréal, QC, CAN Pittsburgh Penguins
1991-1992 +44 Paul Ysebaert (LW) 1966-05-15 Sarnia, ON, CAN New Jersey Devils
1990-1991 +48 Marty McSorley (D) 1963-05-18 Hamilton, ON, CAN
+48 Theoren Fleury (RW) 1968-06-29 Oxbow, SK, CAN Calgary Flames
1989-1990 +38 Paul Cavallini (D) 1965-10-13 Toronto, ON, CAN Washington Capitals
1988-1989 +51 Joe Mullen (RW) 1957-02-26 New York, NY, USA
1987-1988 +48 Brad McCrimmon (D) 1959-03-29 Dodsland, SK, CAN Boston Bruins
1986-1987 +70 Wayne Gretzky (C) 1961-01-26 Brantford, ON, CAN
1985-1986 +85 Mark Howe (D) 1955-05-28 Detroit, MI, USA Boston Bruins
1984-1985 +98 Wayne Gretzky (C) 1961-01-26 Brantford, ON, CAN
1983-1984 +76 Wayne Gretzky (C) 1961-01-26 Brantford, ON, CAN
1982-1983 +63 Charlie Huddy (D) 1959-06-02 Oshawa, ON, CAN


MUHUHAHAHAHAHHA

you're picking the players
- Zezel

based on power rankings you could get Datsyuk and Tavares at 9/10, or you could get Stamkos/Marleau at 1/20

What's the asking price for Liles?
- Morris

Obviously you guys would be asking, probably we can harness at best a 2nd Rounder

based on power rankings you could get Datsyuk and Tavares at 9/10, or you could get Stamkos/Marleau at 1/20
- steve362

wash

What the (frank), look at the standings. Chicago right now reminds me of in the WWF they would bring in the new badass heel who would just brutally destroy everyone and the announcer would always bust a classic line like 'The question is, can anyone stop this MONSTER?' Wtf, they haven't lost in regulation yet? What the (frank) is that? That's sick.

Hawks, Boston, and freaking Anaheim and the Habs are very impressive with what they've done. Ottawa is some kind of mutant you can't kill as well.

The Leafs are interesting so far. The not-impossible prospect of Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto and Winnipeg being in the playoffs is interesting. Since Winnipeg goes west next year it is literally the only time it's ever going to be possible. That would be the brownest poop ever.
- Zezel

After the nuclear apocalypse, there will only be cockroaches and Ottawa kicking around 6th or 7th place in the East.

Then again, I used to say that about Buffalo, and it looks like that beast is finally dead.

Said something comparable to JVRs deal would be good.

6-7 years at 4-4.25

If we give him a bridge contract it'll give us a couple more seasons, and if he lights it up he'll end up demanding ridiculous money. Get him locked in now at a reasonably low rate. We've already invested enough time in this guy
- AngryWhiteMale

I think a bridge deal is the better choice, if he does light it up and is a ppg player, I have no problems with the Leafs paying him for that. I like the approach that you pay a guy what he's worth rather than trying to get a "deal", especially for a team like the Leafs. It gives you way more flexibility going forward, and keeps the players motivated. Reserve the long term deals for 1-2 proven franchise players.

I'd take 10 and 11, because I think the dropoff to the twentieth pick would mean the 10 and 11 picks would be worth more. I have no idea who the 10th, 11th, and 20th picks in an all-world draft would be, although I think Crosby would be number one. 10th I'm assuming is Cory Schneider,11th has to be Kesler, and then that would make Kassian available at 20, a total steal.

Totally understandable... He is a friend and tied to Blues. I live in St. Louis so I only know who St. Louis would be offering. Except Kulemin was mentioned by name ...not claiming I have sources but the uh who told me I believe.
I just wondered if it was for Jaden Schwartz wouldn't our dman going back have to be pretty good. Hopefully not Gardiner
- tmlfan17

He had 19 points in 33 games in the AHL this year and was a team worse -14. He is only 5'10" and 190 pounds not exactly the big centre the Leafs are looking for

Frenchie, you said "record." If you meant 3rd highest since the turn of the century, thats fine. THough I'm impressed with Konstantinov's number.

Don't care who your interested in unless your Dave Nonis just put out there what I heard. If it happens you'll say he heard....if it doesn't I'll say the guy who I thought was pretty credible isn't
- tmlfan17