Past 4 Cup winning teams have had at least 2 top 11 players from the first round.
- Dwight K. Schrute

Tom Brady/Pavel Dastyuk arguement in 3....2.....1...

GO

Lou Lamoriello has missed on more 1st rounders than Darcy and he is one of the best GMs out there.
- Dwight K. Schrute

well picking in the 20's most years isnt always a "slam dunk" they are usually more projects where the player has potential but needs work, not a fan of him picking tedenby and other small forwards in the 1st though

but he knows how to find steals in the later rounds or undrafted players

it is what it is

well picking in the 20's most years isnt always a "slam dunk" they are usually more projects where the player has potential but needs work, not a fan of him picking tedenby and other small forwards in the 1st though

but he knows how to find steals in the later rounds or undrafted players

it is what it is
- dmarsden2988

He is pretty good in finding guys who can play in your system as well.

Exclusive: Flames fortunate Avs matched

Jay Feaster might consider sending Greg Sherman a thank-you note. Or perhaps a fine bottle of wine.

The general manager of the Colorado Avalanche appears to have inadvertently done the Calgary Flames a big favour by choosing to match the offer sheet signed by 22-year-old centre Ryan O’Reilly on Thursday.

In a bizarre twist to an already unusual story, Sportsnet.ca has discovered that the Flames were not only in danger of losing 2013 first- and third-round draft picks as compensation if the Avs hadn’t matched the O’Reilly contract, but they also would likely have had to surrender the player before ever getting him in uniform.

That’s because O’Reilly would have needed to clear waivers before joining the team’s roster. ...more...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...anche_match_ryan_oreilly/
- GilPerreault11

This was posted as a comment on the article you posted:

"13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside
North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his
Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs)
only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the
Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or
Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim."

"All Players on a Club’s Reserve List and Restricted Free Agent List will be exempt from the
application of CBA 13.23 Waivers in the case of a mid-season signing.

For further clarity, if Club A trades such a Player to Club B and Club B signs the Player to an SPC,
such Player will be exempt from the application of CBA 13.23."

So this seems to say he wouldn't have to clear waivers, correct?

This was posted as a comment on the article you posted:

"13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside
North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his
Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs)
only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the
Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or
Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim."

"All Players on a Club’s Reserve List and Restricted Free Agent List will be exempt from the
application of CBA 13.23 Waivers in the case of a mid-season signing.

For further clarity, if Club A trades such a Player to Club B and Club B signs the Player to an SPC,
such Player will be exempt from the application of CBA 13.23."

So this seems to say he wouldn't have to clear waivers, correct?
- sabres431

Sounds like he would have been exempt as a restricted free agent.

How does that work re:the pics the Flames would have to give Colorado if a 3rd team picked him up on waivers?

Both teams lose, the one that picks him up on waivers wins?

1 G 0 A 1 Pt -3 in the last 11 games. Those are Drew Stafford-like numbers.
Although is those same 11 games, Stafford has 1G 3A 4Pts and -2. Heck, even Hecth has 3A and is a +3 in those games. So yes, in the past 11 games, I think he has been invisible.
- druryisclutch

the entire team has numbers like that...

ROR would not have been subject to waivers. For one, the rule is exempt for RFAs. Secondly, I thought that with the new CBA there were no longer re-entry waivers? Could be wrong on that part. Calgary and Colorado have made several trades before. I wonder if they had talked prior to the offer sheet being sent. The amount of the contract wasn't the issue. The issue the Avs had was the length. They wanted a shorted contract so ROR would still be an RFA. He wanted a 5 year contract so he could be UFA. Worked out perfectly for the Avs.

the entire team has numbers like that...
- SabresFaninIndiana

Exactly, they have all been invisible. Times like these are when you need your captain to step up, and he is just another player on this team.

Exactly, they have all been invisible. Times like these are when you need your captain to step up, and he is just another player on this team.
- druryisclutch

i can agree with that...

ROR would not have been subject to waivers. For one, the rule is exempt for RFAs. Secondly, I thought that with the new CBA there were no longer re-entry waivers? Could be wrong on that part. Calgary and Colorado have made several trades before. I wonder if they had talked prior to the offer sheet being sent. The amount of the contract wasn't the issue. The issue the Avs had was the length. They wanted a shorted contract so ROR would still be an RFA. He wanted a 5 year contract so he could be UFA. Worked out perfectly for the Avs.
- adambuffalo

Correct on all items....u get a star

Not always true. It helps having good leadership but its not the be all end all in terms of performance.
- Rally_Shots

Of course its not the end all be all. Organizations are complex. However, Talent without leadership will not perform as well as talent with leadership.

All great organizations have great leadership. Its proven.

Please give me an organization that is poorly led but extremely successful.

Poorly led organization/teams/groups might have moments of "goodness" but will never perform at a high level over the medium to long term.

i can agree with that...
- SabresFaninIndiana

Can you agree that he's a pansy too?

ROR would not have been subject to waivers. For one, the rule is exempt for RFAs. Secondly, I thought that with the new CBA there were no longer re-entry waivers? Could be wrong on that part. Calgary and Colorado have made several trades before. I wonder if they had talked prior to the offer sheet being sent. The amount of the contract wasn't the issue. The issue the Avs had was the length. They wanted a shorted contract so ROR would still be an RFA. He wanted a 5 year contract so he could be UFA. Worked out perfectly for the Avs.
- adambuffalo

They're saying it's a result of his playing games in the KHL. The guys I'm listening to aren't backing away from it.

ROR would not have been subject to waivers. For one, the rule is exempt for RFAs. Secondly, I thought that with the new CBA there were no longer re-entry waivers? Could be wrong on that part. Calgary and Colorado have made several trades before. I wonder if they had talked prior to the offer sheet being sent. The amount of the contract wasn't the issue. The issue the Avs had was the length. They wanted a shorted contract so ROR would still be an RFA. He wanted a 5 year contract so he could be UFA. Worked out perfectly for the Avs.
- adambuffalo

he would have because he played in a different league while the NHL season was started and wasnt under contract with the nhl.

like when nabokov signed or w/e and the islanders claimed him

Past 4 Cup winning teams have had at least 2 top 11 players from the first round.
- Dwight K. Schrute

1. Did they draft those players or trade for them?

Did Thomas Hickey (#4, 2008), or Jonathan Bernier (#11, 2007) or Brayden Schenn(#5, 2009) have a major impact on the Kings winning the cup? They drafted them. 2 of them dont even play for the kings.

he would have because he played in a different league while the NHL season was started and wasnt under contract with the nhl.

like when nabokov signed or w/e and the islanders claimed him
- robz228

Yeah, he'd have to be a part of the CBA in the first place. Or something. These guys seem to know what they're talking about.

Of course its not the end all be all. Organizations are complex. However, Talent without leadership will not perform as well as talent with leadership.

All great organizations have great leadership. Its proven.

Please give me an organization that is poorly led but extremely successful.

Poorly led organization/teams/groups might have moments of "goodness" but will never perform at a high level over the medium to long term.
- RynoBull

Show me teams with tons of talent and I'll show you teams with great leadership

1. Did they draft those players or trade for them?

Did Thomas Hickey (#4, 2008), or Jonathan Bernier (#11, 2007) or Brayden Schenn(#5, 2009) have a major impact on the Kings winning the cup? They drafted them. 2 of them dont even play for the kings.
- RynoBull

this might be the most pointless discussion on hockeybuzz.

you need good players to win. good players have a better chance of coming from the top of the draft. why is there any discussion about this?

this might be the most pointless discussion on hockeybuzz.

you need good players to win. good players have a better chance of coming from the top of the draft. why is there any discussion about this?
- robz228

Since when has that stopped anyone?

Since when has that stopped anyone?
- jochfr

I was thinking the same thing

this might be the most pointless discussion on hockeybuzz.

you need good players to win. good players have a better chance of coming from the top of the draft. why is there any discussion about this?
- robz228

because Darcy has multiple accounts on hockeybuzz , thats what he does all day instead of making trades to improve his hockey team

His list of 1st rounders while not terrible, I agree I would've liked to see more than just Vanek in a starring role for this team.
- twistedwrister9

Overall, I would call his 1st rd picks terrible

Kalinin-decent
Heisten-bust
Kryukov-bust
Novotny-bust
Ballard-decent
Paille-decent
Vanek- the only star drafted
Stafford-good compared to most of his picks
Zagrapan-bust
Persson-bust
Myers- the potential is still there
Ennis-solid pick

Too early to judge
Kassian
Pysyk
Armia
Grigorenko
Girgensons

It's not even that he doesn't draft stars, he drafts too many players that are complete busts. I'll admit everything from the 2nd round on is a total crapshoot. To some extent, the 1st rd is too, but the choices made should be much more educated. While most picks won't be stars, they should be contributors to the team

Show me teams with tons of talent and I'll show you teams with great leadership
- Rally_Shots

There is a lot of talent on the Capitals and their leadership sucks.

Great leadership doesn't always guarantee wins, it's just part of the ingredients needed to win. Just like scoring a lot doesn't mean you're guaranteed to win. Tampa Bay leads the league in scoring yet have the 22nd best record in the league.

One stat or one intangible is not the be all, end all. It's all just part of the dna of any successful team

This was posted as a comment on the article you posted:

"13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside
North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his
Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs)
only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the
Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or
Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim."

"All Players on a Club’s Reserve List and Restricted Free Agent List will be exempt from the
application of CBA 13.23 Waivers in the case of a mid-season signing.

For further clarity, if Club A trades such a Player to Club B and Club B signs the Player to an SPC,
such Player will be exempt from the application of CBA 13.23."

So this seems to say he wouldn't have to clear waivers, correct?
- sabres431

Not sure, but Bob just said:

@TSNBobMcKenzie
For those asking, yes, my understanding is if COL hadn't matched CGY offer on O'Reilly, CGY would have had to put him on waivers to play now

@TSNBobMcKenzie
In other words, in this new CBA, team can sign one of its own RFAs or draft picks out of Europe in mid-season and get in lineup w/o waivers.