Pavel Bure's career went down a similar path...albeit it was more injury driven, as a Florida Panther and Ranger he never had any fire whatsoever....
- Blueshirts4ever

Pavel won the Maurice Richard trophy 2 years in a row with Florida (58 and 59 goals and holds Florida Panther's single season record for points and goals.). In the 51 games with the Rangers he scored 31 goals. That could be considered fiery.

LUO,Kes,Booth & 2nd rounder, for Ovie & Holtby..when Kes gets back...
2 stars;luo-kes.. for one super star,ovie.........

I also suspect Malkin is on roids those eyebrows of his are inhumain.
- Alexzanki

ohh, those peel off. Works like a sweat band, but look like eyebrows. Helmet fits better than a normal sweat band.

Best invention since the chest hair undershirt.

Pavel won the Maurice Richard trophy 2 years in a row with Florida (58 and 59 goals and holds Florida Panther's single season record for points and goals.). In the 51 games with the Rangers he scored 31 goals. That could be considered fiery.
- Gusnone

Why let's stats/facts get in the way of a good theory.

Yes, because if Brooks Laich had been named Captain the Caps would have won the last 3 Stanley Cups The Captain thing is overrated - look at Crosby, he Captained that meltdown against the Flyers last Spring - do you blame him ?
- MadCap2008

I'm not saying that at all. Even if Brooks Laich was the Captain, that Capitals would probably still have 0 Stanley Cups. However, The "C" does mean a lot and Ovechkin is far from a leader. The man has absolutely no work ethic whatsoever. He plays the game with no passion, and rarely drops the gloves like a true leader should (I think he's been in 1 fight his entire career vs Callahan)

Now in terms of your cheap shot at Crosby being the reason that we lost last year, that is not the case. There was 1 team (I repeat 1 team) that had a chance to beat us in the East last year and we just so happened to run into them in Round 1. Fleury was fatigued, the defense didn't show up, and quite frankly Byslma was outcoached. Crosby is one of the best leaders in the game and was the youngest captain at the time to hoist the cup. He's the hardest worker in the NHL, he has respect from his teamates, he's not afraid to drop the gloves...Oh yeah, and he's the best player in the world.

How someone like Milbury has a job or even has his opinion taken into account given they way he almost single handedly destroyed the Islanders franchise is beyond me. Amazes me how comfortable people are sitting in their little booth and raining crap down on people on the rink. Media folks really have a total air of being up themselves sometime and here is a complete moron.

Who knows what is going on with Ovechkin, he has had some crappy coaches in his time and done a massive amount for the sport and the Capitals he deserves a bit of a break.

Mike Milbury is like a crack addict when it comes to hating on the Penguins.

Perhaps it's because the Pens sent his Bruins packing in 91

And apparently Crosby is the whiner.....

I don't discount the PED angle, you simply can't in any of these sports anymore - the thing that I can't reconcile is this : if his play has spiraled downward because he is no longer doping, why wouldn't he start again ? Could it simply be, as more than a few had suggested when Ovechkin first came into the league, that his physical, run through the walls style of play didn't lend itself to a long, productive career ?
- MadCap2008

if you want to go down a conspiracy path, the league caught on and told him to get off em or they would terminate his contract. He is getting paid regardless of his performance so why risk losing the entire contract by continuing to take them.

I only bring this up because a whole team here in Australia has been 'done' for PEDs, the whole team! Well they are being investigated by the government drug body to see what was going on. The AFL had known about the investigation and had covered it up. So IF he was on them, and by no means am I saying he was, I can see good reason for him to stay off them if caught.

The line change was definitely poor. His effort was quite pathetic overall.

I watched most of the game, and I have to say they ALL looked pretty useless; Backstrom and Green especially.

Only with about 6 minutes left was there a push to atleast get a goal.

However, going from Saturday, where the media proclaimed the Caps and OV were 'back' to a win on Tuesday (which reinforced all the delirium) and then a loss - that is what happens in hockey.

Eklund: Alex the Disinterested?
- Eklund

15 points in 19 games

you would think he had 5 points in 19 games the way the media has ripped him

And apparently Crosby is the whiner.....


- Compeyson

Looks like a negative of many many Crosby highlights...

And apparently Crosby is the whiner.....


- Compeyson

I'm not saying that at all. Even if Brooks Laich was the Captain, that Capitals would probably still have 0 Stanley Cups. However, The "C" does mean a lot and Ovechkin is far from a leader. The man has absolutely no work ethic whatsoever. He plays the game with no passion, and rarely drops the gloves like a true leader should (I think he's been in 1 fight his entire career vs Callahan)

Now in terms of your cheap shot at Crosby being the reason that we lost last year, that is not the case. There was 1 team (I repeat 1 team) that had a chance to beat us in the East last year and we just so happened to run into them in Round 1. Fleury was fatigued, the defense didn't show up, and quite frankly Byslma was outcoached. Crosby is one of the best leaders in the game and was the youngest captain at the time to hoist the cup. He's the hardest worker in the NHL, he has respect from his teamates, he's not afraid to drop the gloves...Oh yeah, and he's the best player in the world.
- Killian

First point is just an excuse, he is my favorite player and fatigued or not, he had to be better, if he just played at 75% of his best and we dont lose that series the way we did.

Plus, some of those 'fight's' Crosby has been in, haven't exactly been fronting up to guys willing to fight, they have been more like female dog slaps than anything else. So go easy on some of your high and mighty.

And apparently Crosby is the whiner.....


- Compeyson

That is what happens when you give a player 100 Million dollars.

I'm not saying that at all. Even if Brooks Laich was the Captain, that Capitals would probably still have 0 Stanley Cups. However, The "C" does mean a lot and Ovechkin is far from a leader. The man has absolutely no work ethic whatsoever. He plays the game with no passion, and rarely drops the gloves like a true leader should (I think he's been in 1 fight his entire career vs Callahan)

Now in terms of your cheap shot at Crosby being the reason that we lost last year, that is not the case. There was 1 team (I repeat 1 team) that had a chance to beat us in the East last year and we just so happened to run into them in Round 1. Fleury was fatigued, the defense didn't show up, and quite frankly Byslma was outcoached. Crosby is one of the best leaders in the game and was the youngest captain at the time to hoist the cup. He's the hardest worker in the NHL, he has respect from his teamates, he's not afraid to drop the gloves...Oh yeah, and he's the best player in the world.
- Killian

You can play the "1 Team Could beat us in the East" game all night - the Pens would likely have lost to a much more disciplined Devils team just like the Flyers did in the 2nd round. As for Crosby being a good Captain, who knows - again, I think the whole "C" thing is overrated. More than a few Pens fans have credited the acquisition of Guerin as a "veteran leader" as being a key to their Cup win and now more than a few are suggesting that the Pens get Iginla or another "veteran leader" for this year. If Crosby is a great leader, why would the Pens need to acquire one ?

I'm not saying that at all. Even if Brooks Laich was the Captain, that Capitals would probably still have 0 Stanley Cups. However, The "C" does mean a lot and Ovechkin is far from a leader. The man has absolutely no work ethic whatsoever. He plays the game with no passion, and rarely drops the gloves like a true leader should (I think he's been in 1 fight his entire career vs Callahan)

Now in terms of your cheap shot at Crosby being the reason that we lost last year, that is not the case. There was 1 team (I repeat 1 team) that had a chance to beat us in the East last year and we just so happened to run into them in Round 1. Fleury was fatigued, the defense didn't show up, and quite frankly Byslma was outcoached. Crosby is one of the best leaders in the game and was the youngest captain at the time to hoist the cup. He's the hardest worker in the NHL, he has respect from his teamates, he's not afraid to drop the gloves...Oh yeah, and he's the best player in the world.
- Killian

No passion? Are you retarded. The guy was the most energetic, enthusiastic player in the league (only recently has that seemed 'missing').

I would counter that A) OV is a much happier, jovial human that Crosby and B) OV shares that with his team-mates more so than 87...who seems to always be in a competitive mind-set (which is fair, if you're a pro, but it's just different than OV).

You don't see clips of OV calling for hats to stop being thrown on the ice, or saying he hates the other team simply because that's how it is.
(if you want to live in the past)

I love how it's less than a week past his hatty (where we all were told how he'd make it back to being the best and so forth) and one loss and poor performance he's absolute garbage.

No passion? Are you retarded. The guy was the most energetic, enthusiastic player in the league (only recently has that seemed 'missing').

I would counter that A) OV is a much happier, jovial human that Crosby and B) OV shares that with his team-mates more so than 87...who seems to always be in a competitive mind-set (which is fair, if you're a pro, but it's just different than OV).

You don't see clips of OV calling for hats to stop being thrown on the ice, or saying he hates the other team simply because that's how it is.
(if you want to live in the past)

I love how it's less than a week past his hatty (where we all were told how he'd make it back to being the best and so forth) and one loss and poor performance he's absolute garbage.
- ghostibator

So you are happy with Ovechkin and think you'll ever see a cup winner with him?

[quote=ghostibator]No passion? Are you retarded. The guy was the most energetic, enthusiastic player in the league (only recently has that seemed 'missing').

I would counter that A) OV is a much happier, jovial human that Crosby and B) OV shares that with his team-mates more so than 87...who seems to always be in a competitive mind-set (which is fair, if you're a pro, but it's just different than OV).quote]

LMAO!!!!!!

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEE shoots and scores. It was deflected innnn. Kris Letang shot the puck...and the penguins have won it in overtime!!!!

First point is just an excuse, he is my favorite player and fatigued or not, he had to be better, if he just played at 75% of his best and we dont lose that series the way we did.

Plus, some of those 'fight's' Crosby has been in, haven't exactly been fronting up to guys willing to fight, they have been more like female dog slaps than anything else. So go easy on some of your high and mighty.
- walshy66

I wasn't about to bring that up, kudos.

When you jump unsuspecting players, it's not really a 'fight'.

Also, fighting has nothing to do with wearing the C. It's simply seen as an avenue of leadership,but still, there are many captains who barely ever fight - and for good reason, it's pretty much counter-productive.

Ovi to pens for Matta and a 2nd (e5)

I have seen the lack of effort on the back check four years ago and that is why I said then he is not SIDS equal, I have also been in the building when he let a goal score while he leans on his stick instead of back checking

I have seen the lack of effort on the back check four years ago and that is why I said then he is not SIDS equal, I have also been in the building when he let a goal score while he leans on his stick instead of back checking
- fatman00

Neal > Ovechkin

He doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Sid and Geno

The Crosby comparisons are funny at this point. There was a time though when Ov was lighting up the goals and the squid knew he had to improve, so he spent all summer working on his shot - you all remember the stuff on tsn and spnet about it - so that he could be the best goal scorer which ov was at that time. Ov watches Sid do this and prove he can hang with Ov to a large degree in that department. What does Ov do the following summer. Party. Nuff said.

Neal > Ovechkin

He doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Sid and Geno
- Killian

What a trade that was for the Pens. I still cant believe Dallas moved him.