You think O'Reilly can make that big of an impact, that quickly after all this time waiting for a contract? Plus, all the hype surrounding him and the expectations?

If Calgary gets the center they need for Iginla, it might happen over time but as far as this season goes, the odds are really high that the just gave up a top 5 pick for him.

Calgary really is stubborn about making 8th place. They have had great chances to unload Iginla, Kiprusoff and rebuild but they absolutely refuse to do it instead choosing to delay the inevitable for 8th place. Really, really stupid franchise.
- Two_For_Truth

I'm not saying it's a dumb move, but they get better with him no matter what and they also add to the youth of Baertchi

You think O'Reilly can make that big of an impact, that quickly after all this time waiting for a contract? Plus, all the hype surrounding him and the expectations?

If Calgary gets the center they need for Iginla, it might happen over time but as far as this season goes, the odds are really high that the just gave up a top 5 pick for him.

Calgary really is stubborn about making 8th place. They have had great chances to unload Iginla, Kiprusoff and rebuild but they absolutely refuse to do it instead choosing to delay the inevitable for 8th place. Really, really stupid franchise.
- Two_For_Truth

sad but this.

So happy with the news of ROR.

If there was no draft pick compensation involved, hell no. O'Reilly is way better to have than Grabovski.
- Two_For_Truth

forgot - the picks compensation actually isn't that bad IMO. If it was a trade 1st and 3rd wouldn't get it done. Probably have to be 1st and a prospect, likely a former 1st rounder, so technically 2 1sts instead of one.

then still have to sign him.

so if Flames are fine with it then I guess good for them, but I don't like the contract structure for future.

they are only 3 pts out. a little early to tank aint it?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Calgary is screwed in the West. They have little to no hope of making the playoffs. And even if they do, it's 8th place and a 1st round ass kicking. Almost identical story as the Leafs for the last eight years. The difference is that the Flames actually have Iginla and Kiprusoff who they could get a huge return for. They could rebuild in a few years if they had the brains and the balls to actually go through with it.

They reported Webbers offer sheet before he signed it?
- Leafland

nope, he signed it, then we found out the terms.

well, he's getting $6.5M so yes. And arbitration will be based on that numer for his next contract. Guy is holding out once...

gonna be tough to get him to take a pay cut if he puts up similar numbers.
- Big_Lightnin

No, according to most reports at the moment he is getting 5 million for 2 years. Where are your numbers and logic coming from? Arbitration doesn't mean a player automatically gets 6.5 million dollars just for being alive. If O'Reilly makes 5 million dollars today but scores 40 points for two years, how does it make sense that he would automatically get 6.5 million from an arbitrator?

Unless this is something new in the CBA where players automatically get a pay raise regardless of performance through arbitration, it doesn't make any sense.

Back to the original point though, he's still better than Grabovski. Younger, better defensively, better numbers at the age of 21.

So happy with the news of ROR.
- Compeyson

I'm happy the Leafs didn't do anything stupid to get him

Calgary is screwed in the West. They have little to no hope of making the playoffs. And even if they do, it's 8th place and a 1st round ass kicking. Almost identical story as the Leafs for the last eight years. The difference is that the Flames actually have Iginla and Kiprusoff who they could get a huge return for. They could rebuild in a few years if they had the brains and the balls to actually go through with it.
- Two_For_Truth

The only way this ends up positive at all is if they are planning on parlaying at least one of them the next 4 weeks to gain a 1st round pick and whatever else comes back, if they do have a bigger plan with this signing, but as you said, history shows they want to keep squeaking by.

No, according to most reports at the moment he is getting 5 million for 2 years. Where are your numbers and logic coming from? Arbitration doesn't mean a player automatically gets 6.5 million dollars just for being alive. If O'Reilly makes 5 million dollars today but scores 40 points for two years, how does it make sense that he would automatically get 6.5 million from an arbitrator?

Unless this is something new in the CBA where players automatically get a pay raise regardless of performance through arbitration, it doesn't make any sense.

Back to the original point though, he's still better than Grabovski. Younger, better defensively, better numbers at the age of 21.
- Two_For_Truth

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Kicker, tho, is $6.5M salary next season. Ignoring ROR's arb rights, COL would have to qualify him at $6.5M upon expiry of this deal.

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Kicker, tho, is $6.5M salary next season. Ignoring ROR's arb rights, COL would have to qualify him at $6.5M upon expiry of this deal.
- Eliminason

cap hit 5 over 2

I'm not saying it's a dumb move, but they get better with him no matter what and they also add to the youth of Baertchi
- AdamFrench

Trade Iginla. Trade Kiprusoff. Keep the 1st round pick.

That's how you add youth.

What happens if O'Reilly plays like a mad man with Iginla. They make 8th place, they lose and eventually Iginla retires. So does Kiprusoff. Or they leave as UFAs. Whatever. O'Reilly gets an even bigger contract after the two years is over because his numbers are through the roof by playing with Iginla but Iginla is gone.

The Flames are just delaying the inevitable here. They're clawing for something that's not worth fighting for. In three to five years time, they're going to really have no team on the ice and no youth to fall back on.

Calgary is screwed in the West. They have little to no hope of making the playoffs. And even if they do, it's 8th place and a 1st round ass kicking. Almost identical story as the Leafs for the last eight years. The difference is that the Flames actually have Iginla and Kiprusoff who they could get a huge return for. They could rebuild in a few years if they had the brains and the balls to actually go through with it.
- Two_For_Truth

If they could trade Iggy and Kipper for some young proven talent it would probably be worth it.. But going after draft picks is risky. The Oilers future talk has really died down lately. Flames have some key players in place but i agree they aren't likely a playoff team.

It's ownership all the way.. When Feaster got there you have to think he would have gone for a rebuild if it was his choice.
- Mr_Smokey

Definitely stupid owners who are leaning on Feaster to turn chicken crap into chicken soup.

No, according to most reports at the moment he is getting 5 million for 2 years. Where are your numbers and logic coming from? Arbitration doesn't mean a player automatically gets 6.5 million dollars just for being alive. If O'Reilly makes 5 million dollars today but scores 40 points for two years, how does it make sense that he would automatically get 6.5 million from an arbitrator?

Unless this is something new in the CBA where players automatically get a pay raise regardless of performance through arbitration, it doesn't make any sense.

Back to the original point though, he's still better than Grabovski. Younger, better defensively, better numbers at the age of 21.
- Two_For_Truth

contract is: (dregger's tweet)
yr 1 - $1.5M salary, $2.5M signing bonus
yr 2 - $6.5M

Contract Qualifying offer for next contract is $6.5M + 10% if he doesn't sign an extension first, or they go to arbitration. And any arb award will still be based on that as previous salary, so any reduced award will still be way too much.

Unless they removed arbitration rights from the new CBA, that is how it is always done.

if we could magically swap O'Rielly for Grabo and give him Grabo's contract ya I agree that's a plus for Leafs. Sadly, I don't see that happening.

O'Reilly at that much money this early, after only 1 DECENT year, and well set up to get similar money after is scary. He's not an elite player.

cap hit 5 over 2
- aminnes

Cap hit affects compensation, final year salary affects qualifying offer (or he becomes RFA and we do this whole dance again).

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Kicker, tho, is $6.5M salary next season. Ignoring ROR's arb rights, COL would have to qualify him at $6.5M upon expiry of this deal.
- Eliminason

That's not what TSN said originally. It said he was getting 5 million per year for 2 years.

Qualifying offer only matters if they can't sign him before hand and have to use the qualifying offer to keep him. If they give him an extension after a year or before his contract runs out, the 6.5 million doesn't really matter.

Trade Iginla. Trade Kiprusoff. Keep the 1st round pick.

That's how you add youth.

What happens if O'Reilly plays like a mad man with Iginla. They make 8th place, they lose and eventually Iginla retires. So does Kiprusoff. Or they leave as UFAs. Whatever. O'Reilly gets an even bigger contract after the two years is over because his numbers are through the roof by playing with Iginla but Iginla is gone.

The Flames are just delaying the inevitable here. They're clawing for something that's not worth fighting for. In three to five years time, they're going to really have no team on the ice and no youth to fall back on.
- Two_For_Truth

Ya, but they don't give a (frank) they have the CUP down when the best player 7 years down the line Mark Jankowski is scoring 120 points a year as the top line center with O'Reilly being the two-way beastly second line center as they ride LeLand Irving to the promise land.

contract is: (dregger's tweet)
yr 1 - $1.4M salary, $2.5M signing bonus
yr 2 - $6.5M

Contract Qualifying offer for next contract is $6.5M + 10% if he doesn't sign an extension first, or they go to arbitration. And any arb award will still be based on that as previous salary, so any reduced award will still be way too much.

Unless they removed arbitration rights from the new CBA, that is how it is always done.
- Big_Lightnin

But my point was that the arbitrator isn't going to give him 6.5 million dollars unless he earns it. The qualifying offer is a different story. They have to give him that much if they can't extend him and use the qualifying offer to keep him under contract.

That's not what TSN said originally. It said he was getting 5 million per year for 2 years.

Qualifying offer only matters if they can't sign him before hand and have to use the qualifying offer to keep him. If they give him an extension after a year or before his contract runs out, the 6.5 million doesn't really matter.
- Two_For_Truth

Can't sign extension until last year of contract, at that point why would ROR sign for a lower amount than the minimum he would get through qualification?

Ya, but they don't give a (frank) they have the CUP down when the best player 7 years down the line Mark Jankowski is scoring 120 points a year as the top line center with O'Reilly being the two-way beastly second line center as they ride LeLand Irving to the promise land.
- AdamFrench

Colorado matching this deal might bail Calgary out. It's a tough one though...Is O'Reilly better than the guy you're going to get in the draft? In all likelihood the answer is yes...

Ya, but they don't give a (frank) they have the CUP down when the best player 7 years down the line Mark Jankowski is scoring 120 points a year as the top line center with O'Reilly being the two-way beastly second line center as they ride LeLand Irving to the promise land.
- AdamFrench

Better than Yakupov.

Colorado matching this deal might bail Calgary out. It's a tough one though...Is O'Reilly better than the guy you're going to get in the draft? In all likelihood the answer is yes...
- blahman20

Top 5 might get them Monohan.

If they could trade Iggy and Kipper for some young proven talent it would probably be worth it.. But going after draft picks is risky. The Oilers future talk has really died down lately. Flames have some key players in place but i agree they aren't likely a playoff team.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

They easily have the best group of young players and that hasn't changed. Just because they haven't won a Cup over night doesn't change that. Over time, the Oilers will have a far better chance at winning a Cup than the Flames do. It's not even a contest.