Why? Ryan Getzlaf is pretty good, isn't he? He's coming next year!! PLAN THE PARADE!
- blahman20

The Leafs are my fifth favorite team:

1. Penguins
2. Whoever is playing the Flyers
3. Whoever is playing the Rags
4. Whoever is playing the Caps
5. Toronto Maple Leafs

They were never going to get Kessel for Staal anyways. I like the deal Pitt did make.
- blahman20

Pittsburgh wasn't trading Staal to Toronto anyway. Pittsburgh is dead set on the three-center system. They wanted Jordan Staal Light and they got that in Sutter. Brandon might not score as many goals, or have the reach Staal has, but does bring alot of Staal tendencies. He has an edge to him too boot.

Sutter, the eighth pick in the draft and Dumoulin, who might be a year away from the NHL, certainly isn't anything to sneeze at, especially for a guy that was going to walk to Carolina after this year anyway. IIRC, Shero contacted the Rags and asked if they would be interested since the other Staal is there. Rutherford got concerned and pick Dumoulin in to get the deal done.

I think the fact that you have trademarked this is fantastic
- Emperor Filonius

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- Rawdog9755

Pittsburgh wasn't trading Staal to Toronto anyway. Pittsburgh is dead set on the three-center system. They wanted Jordan Staal Light and they got that in Sutter. Brandon might not score as many goals, or have the reach Staal has, but does bring alot of Staal tendencies. He has an edge to him too boot.

Sutter, the eighth pick in the draft and Dumoulin, who might be a year away from the NHL, certainly isn't anything to sneeze at, especially for a guy that was going to walk to Carolina after this year anyway. IIRC, Shero contacted the Rags and asked if they would be interested since the other Staal is there. Rutherford got concerned and pick Dumoulin in to get the deal done.
- Oneonta Penguin

Ill be curious to see what kind of PPG average Sutter settles into with a large enough sampling on the 3rd line. In the Rossi article today on Staal, he points out that overall Staal was a .57 PPG player in Pitt(431 games, 248 points). However, that includes the 1st year he spent riding shotgun with Geno and last year where he was getting more minutes(more to the tune of a #2 center) while Crosby was out. MY guess would be that Sutter produces pretty close to what Staal did offensively playing on the 3rd line with 3rd line wingers.

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- Rawdog9755

Ill be curious to see what kind of PPG average Sutter settles into with a large enough sampling on the 3rd line. In the Rossi article today on Staal, he points out that overall Staal was a .57 PPG player in Pitt(431 games, 248 points). However, that includes the 1st year he spent riding shotgun with Geno and last year where he was getting more minutes(more to the tune of a #2 center) while Crosby was out. MY guess would be that Sutter produces pretty close to what Staal did offensively playing on the 3rd line with 3rd line wingers.
- Rawdog9755

I thought it was funny Staal averaged more ice time on the Pens. And Sutter averages more PP time on the Pens.

I think the Staal trade is one of Shero's best moves. No way Staal would have re signed and been a 3rd line Center for his career. Getting a 1st, Prospect and Sutter is a win in my book.

I wish Jordan the best of luck. Just when he isn't playing the Pens. I don't have any ill feelings at all over what happened. I will always remember his HTs against the Leafs and Red Wings and of course his series changing shorty against the Wings in the SCF.

It was a very good trade for the Pens.

Pittsburgh wasn't trading Staal to Toronto anyway. Pittsburgh is dead set on the three-center system. They wanted Jordan Staal Light and they got that in Sutter. Brandon might not score as many goals, or have the reach Staal has, but does bring alot of Staal tendencies. He has an edge to him too boot.

Sutter, the eighth pick in the draft and Dumoulin, who might be a year away from the NHL, certainly isn't anything to sneeze at, especially for a guy that was going to walk to Carolina after this year anyway. IIRC, Shero contacted the Rags and asked if they would be interested since the other Staal is there. Rutherford got concerned and pick Dumoulin in to get the deal done.
- Oneonta Penguin

I never wanted to Staal on Toronto. I've never seen Jordan as a legit #1 Centre, contrary to some peoples beliefs. He's a perfect #2 Centre, and that's fine but not really what Toronto desperately needs. Plus trading Kessel to get a big Centre kind of defeats the purpose. I agree, it was never happening, and good for good reason from both sides.

I was never a big Staal fan, he certainly isn't better than Toews (who we should have selected).

Staal as a #2 Center - 4 goals

Sutter as a #3 Center - 4 goals

I did miss him on the PK against FLA though.

I have a feeling Staal he will do some damage tonight....everyone does lately.

I think the Staal trade is one of Shero's best moves. No way Staal would have re signed and been a 3rd line Center for his career. Getting a 1st, Prospect and Sutter is a win in my book.
- sammy87

Per the Rossi article:
"It was all there: guaranteed money (about $57 million total), long-term security (a 10-year term), an understanding that his role would continue to expand beyond that of a traditional No. 3 center."
There are also other places in the article where it is understood that should Staal have re-signed, he wouldnt have been just a #3 center and his role wouldve continued to increase(even to the extent of moving Malkin to wing).
http://triblive.com/sport...-hurricanes#axzz2MDZ2cGk5

I was never a big Staal fan, he certainly isn't better than Toews (who we should have selected).

Staal as a #2 Center - 4 goals

Sutter as a #3 Center - 4 goals

I did miss him on the PK against FLA though.

I have a feeling Staal he will do some damage tonight....everyone does lately.
- Sell My Monkey

The big difference is in the play of the others on that line. TK is nowhere close to what he was with Staal(part of that is on TK), and Cooke's play has dropped some as well. Per my earlier post, I do think their individual production will be similar as the 3rd line C. The 3rd line as a whole is worse for the wear though.

Per the Rossi article:
"It was all there: guaranteed money (about $57 million total), long-term security (a 10-year term), an understanding that his role would continue to expand beyond that of a traditional No. 3 center."
There are also other places in the article where it is understood that should Staal have re-signed, he wouldnt have been just a #3 center and his role wouldve continued to increase(even to the extent of moving Malkin to wing).
http://triblive.com/sport...-hurricanes#axzz2MDZ2cGk5
- Rawdog9755

Rossi may have said that in his article, but would Malkin have enjoyed being a wing? Probaly not, Would Bylsma stayed and run that system for another 5 yrs? Probaly not. So long as Malkin and Crosby were there Staal would have been a 3rd line center, PK, 2nd line PP under a normal healthy roster. I think anybody in Staal's shoes would have made that decision.

I think the Staal trade is one of Shero's best moves. No way Staal would have re signed and been a 3rd line Center for his career. Getting a 1st, Prospect and Sutter is a win in my book.
- sammy87

Yeah, Shero sorta had his back against the wall with the threat of losing Staal for nothing, and the public belief that he really only wanted to go to Carolina. With that little leverage, he was still able to get a top 10 pick, a good young NHL center and a decent prospect, was a hell of a deal.

Yeah, Shero sorta had his back against the wall with the threat of losing Staal for nothing, and the public belief that he really only wanted to go to Carolina. With that little leverage, he was still able to get a top 10 pick, a good young NHL center and a decent prospect, was a hell of a deal.
- rival22

I totally agree. People talk about this trade like it was between two teams in similar situations at the trade deadline or something like that. The scenario was VERY unique (he played the "I want to play with my brother" card), and we could have easily ended up with even less than what we got. Shero did some excellent damage control. Quality GMing.

I totally agree. People talk about this trade like it was between two teams in similar situations at the trade deadline or something like that. The scenario was VERY unique (he played the "I want to play with my brother" card), and we could have easily ended up with even less than what we got. Shero did some excellent damage control. Quality GMing.
- kill.monsters

I'm glad Staal didn't sign that $6mil for 10 years contract. It was just too much money to throw at him and misuse the guy on a 3rd line. If anyone remember, it was pretty hard to find a spot for Staal on the PP. He NEVER had the hands or the net front presence of Kunitz. We made a helluva a trade (now that we can see Sutter can be a staple on the 3rd line).

This will allow us to re-sign Letang

This will allow us to re-sign Letang
- Orpik44

...which should be a HUGE priority. I'm not at all worried about it happening, but I will feel better when Letang officially signs long-term.

...which should be a HUGE priority. I'm not at all worried about it happening, but I will feel better when Letang officially signs long-term.
- kill.monsters

True...part of me would like to see him traded for Eberle/Smid, I won't lie

BUT him staying is just as great. He's my favorite d-man in the league.

Do you have any concerns on Malkin re-signing?

This is an awful display of hockey by Alexander Ovechkin. He should be ashamed of himself. A blind pass, eight-year-olds don't do this in the offensive zone.

- NBC Analyst Mike Milbury during the intermission of Wednesday’s Capitals/Flyers game.

This is an awful display of hockey by Alexander Ovechkin. He should be ashamed of himself. A blind pass, eight-year-olds don't do this in the offensive zone.

- NBC Analyst Mike Milbury during the intermission of Wednesday’s Capitals/Flyers game.

Oops!

This is an awful display of hockey by Alexander Ovechkin. He should be ashamed of himself. A blind pass, eight-year-olds don't do this in the offensive zone.

- NBC Analyst Mike Milbury during the intermission of Wednesday’s Capitals/Flyers game.

Oops!
- ChrisMS

And if eight year olds did do such things, Milbury would probably beat them up. I have no time for this hack.

I'm glad Staal didn't sign that $6mil for 10 years contract. It was just too much money to throw at him and misuse the guy on a 3rd line. If anyone remember, it was pretty hard to find a spot for Staal on the PP. He NEVER had the hands or the net front presence of Kunitz. We made a helluva a trade (now that we can see Sutter can be a staple on the 3rd line).

This will allow us to re-sign Letang
- Orpik44

When Pens leave they seem to be remembered far far better than what they were. Staal was a great 3rd/2nd line center. But there were times fans and media hated him and wanted him gone. He is still young and developing and I think he will have a great career. But everyone acts like the D needs Scuderi and Gill. Other than that playoff run, everyone thought those guys were average at best. Gill's head was called for often. Ovechekin had like 8 goals and 17 pts against the Pens in that 2nd round.

Letang is someone the current D roster cant lose. I would be worried what Malkin would demand. 2 players on a roster tying up close to $9mil in cap makes the GM's job pretty difficult. Espicially when the cap will be going down.

The big difference is in the play of the others on that line. TK is nowhere close to what he was with Staal(part of that is on TK), and Cooke's play has dropped some as well. Per my earlier post, I do think their individual production will be similar as the 3rd line C. The 3rd line as a whole is worse for the wear though.
- Rawdog9755

From the looks of it they should have thrown TK in the Staal deal. He is now worthless. Still like what Cooke brings to the table.

When Pens leave they seem to be remembered far far better than what they were. Staal was a great 3rd/2nd line center. But there were times fans and media hated him and wanted him gone. He is still young and developing and I think he will have a great career. But everyone acts like the D needs Scuderi and Gill. Other than that playoff run, everyone thought those guys were average at best. Gill's head was called for often. Ovechekin had like 8 goals and 17 pts against the Pens in that 2nd round.

Letang is someone the current D roster cant lose. I would be worried what Malkin would demand. 2 players on a roster tying up close to $9mil in cap makes the GM's job pretty difficult. Espicially when the cap will be going down.
- sammy87

Who?