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NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Feb 28 @ 9:44 AM ET
Another player who peaked (statistically) as a 23-year-old.
- bradleyc4


Actually his best point per game year came when he was 27.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 28 @ 9:44 AM ET
It's nuts. Was just looking at his stats, that boggles my mind.
- PLindbergh31

Let's not forget 1) there were virtually no butterfly goalies then & 2) both Goalies and Defensemen take longer to develop. Put a world-class talent into the juniors in the pre-dead puck era of hockey and there you go.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Feb 28 @ 9:45 AM ET
Actually his best point per game year came when he was 27.
- NickTheKid87


still within the range
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 28 @ 9:45 AM ET
Let's not forget 1) there were virtually no butterfly goalies then & 2) both Goalies and Defensemen take longer to develop. Put a world-class talent into the juniors in the pre-dead puck era of hockey and there you go.
- Flyskippy


Yeah... but averaging 4 points a game? That is just crazy.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Feb 28 @ 9:46 AM ET
He DESTROYED the Q...light years ahead of anyone else. If he wasn't plagued by the injuries and other health issue over the years, I think he matches Gretzky.

The year he found out he had cancer, he played half the season and still almost lead the NHL in scoring. Hell, even when he came back and played with the last place team he managed a 90 point season.

- Jsaquella


He even put up 22 points in 26 games in 2005-06 at age 40. That's pretty impressive for a guy who was virtually destroyed physically.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Feb 28 @ 9:46 AM ET
still within the range
- bradleyc4


Missed his age 29 season so we'll never know...
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 28 @ 9:47 AM ET
Carter looked great last night. He and Richards are damned good players. Can say we're unhappy with the return that we got for them, but I liked both Frick and Frack when they were here.
- Jsaquella

they know in their hearts that they both frucked up and grew up as a result. good for them...talent was never the issue.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 28 @ 9:50 AM ET
I agree with you. The last thing you need from a 4th line guy who plays limited minutes is a player who takes dumb penalties.
- PLindbergh31

maybe it's the physical edge, i dunno. harry's a little out of control for me. i like wellwood better too.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 28 @ 9:51 AM ET
Carter looked great last night. He and Richards are damned good players. Can say we're unhappy with the return that we got for them, but I liked both Frick and Frack when they were here.
- Jsaquella


They are both good players and both players are probably better served when they aren't the focal point of the team the way they were here in Philly.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Feb 28 @ 9:51 AM ET
Let's not forget 1) there were virtually no butterfly goalies then & 2) both Goalies and Defensemen take longer to develop. Put a world-class talent into the juniors in the pre-dead puck era of hockey and there you go.
- Flyskippy


Mario could have been an NHLer at 16. Same with Gretzky.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 28 @ 9:52 AM ET
They are both good players and both players are probably better served when they aren't the focal point of the team the way they were here in Philly.
- johndewar


It's not as if they were bad players here, either.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 28 @ 9:52 AM ET
What's the educated guess with Gustafsson today?

Broken foot, fractured tibia... God forbid he have a bruise.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 28 @ 9:52 AM ET
Let's not forget 1) there were virtually no butterfly goalies then & 2) both Goalies and Defensemen take longer to develop. Put a world-class talent into the juniors in the pre-dead puck era of hockey and there you go.
- Flyskippy

...that and he's the greatest pure talent to ever play the game.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 28 @ 9:53 AM ET
Let's not forget 1) there were virtually no butterfly goalies then & 2) both Goalies and Defensemen take longer to develop. Put a world-class talent into the juniors in the pre-dead puck era of hockey and there you go.
- Flyskippy


I was watching video of the NHL game when Tim Kerr scored 4 goals in a playoff game against the Rangers. Glenn Hanlon looks like an out of shape horse jockey between the pipes in that game.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 28 @ 9:54 AM ET
What's the educated guess with Gustafsson today?

Broken foot, fractured tibia... God forbid he have a bruise.

- PLindbergh31

also heard he had a groin pull...at least frank wrote this
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 28 @ 9:54 AM ET
What's the educated guess with Gustafsson today?

Broken foot, fractured tibia... God forbid he have a bruise.

- PLindbergh31


I'm guessing it's the worst case scenario because, God forbid, we can feel good about this team for 24 hours without another injury creeping in.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Feb 28 @ 9:54 AM ET
What's the educated guess with Gustafsson today?

Broken foot, fractured tibia... God forbid he have a bruise.

- PLindbergh31

sometimes bruises are worse than breaks.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Feb 28 @ 9:55 AM ET
also heard he had a groin pull...at least frank wrote this
- isaiah520

Frank was pulling his groin as he wrote it, so who knows.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 28 @ 9:55 AM ET
It's not as if they were bad players here, either.
- Jsaquella


The were very good players here, but they are asked to do different things in LA, I think, than what they were asked to do here.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 28 @ 9:56 AM ET
What's the educated guess with Gustafsson today?

Broken foot, fractured tibia... God forbid he have a bruise.

- PLindbergh31

I find it to be a huge concentration that Meszaros is hurt, Foster can't crack the lone up, so that leaves a massive margin for puck movers between Timonen and Gustafson. Now he's hurt... again
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Feb 28 @ 9:58 AM ET
What's the educated guess with Gustafsson today?

Broken foot, fractured tibia... God forbid he have a bruise.

- PLindbergh31


I hope it's not serious. He's been good. If he's out an extended period of time I think we'll see exactly how effective he's been (i.e. the team will struggle).
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 28 @ 9:58 AM ET
also heard he had a groin pull...at least frank wrote this
- isaiah520


He missed his calling. A writer/reporter isn't what he is best suited for. He would have made a great character on the Sopranos. David Chase should have developed a special needs son for Paulie Walnuts. Frank would have been perfect.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 28 @ 9:59 AM ET
I hope it's not serious. He's been good. If he's out an extended period of time I think we'll see exactly how effective he's been (i.e. the team will struggle).
- NickTheKid87


Not to mention it sounds like Meszaros isn't very close to returning.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 28 @ 9:59 AM ET
sometimes bruises are worse than breaks.
- jak521


Especially with the neck.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Feb 28 @ 10:00 AM ET
Not to mention it sounds like Meszaros isn't very close to returning.
- PLindbergh31

Really? I thought he was progressing well? When was the last update?
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