guys, come on, it's UG. Stop taking him seriously.
- Feeling Glucky?

The problem is not that we do, but rather that he does.

I'm used to arguing with children over petty things such as individual marks on their work. This is just one of those times with a particularly stubborn child.

I got this

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters

On @TSN1050Radio Kerry Fraser says Brown caught Gorges on 'right hip' not from behind; says bigger issue was distance to boards & late push

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters

Kerry Fraser OK with major penalty on Mike Brown for Gorges hit BUT says Leafs tough guy shouldn't have been ejected
- Symba007

Unpossible!

I guess Fraser goes back to being the idiot who screwed up in 1993.

The problem is not that we do, but rather that he does.

I'm used to arguing with children over petty things such as individual marks on their work. This is just one of those times with a particularly stubborn child.

I got this
- lumlums

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yeah i have nothing better to do.... plus all the other trolls leave because they get sick of it.... so UG has some use... not much but some

Unpossible!

I guess Fraser goes back to being the idiot who screwed up in 1993.
- Two_For_Truth

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yeah i have nothing better to do.... plus all the other trolls leave because they get sick of it.... so UG has some use... not much but some
- jribout

Awww man, now you've gone and validated him.

Unpossible!

I guess Fraser goes back to being the idiot who screwed up in 1993.
- Two_For_Truth

He never changed,

Unpossible!

I guess Fraser goes back to being the idiot who screwed up in 1993.
- Two_For_Truth

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters

On @TSN1050Radio Kerry Fraser says Brown caught Gorges on 'right hip' not from behind; says bigger issue was distance to boards & late push

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters

Kerry Fraser OK with major penalty on Mike Brown for Gorges hit BUT says Leafs tough guy shouldn't have been ejected
- Symba007

Hey UG..... Your still WRONG

Hey UG..... Your still WRONG
- jribout

That's unpossible.

Unpossible!

I guess Fraser goes back to being the idiot who screwed up in 1993.
- Two_For_Truth

Nope, I respect his opinion. Notice how it has changed from earlier with the benefit of more views. I'm good with that.

Note also how his opinion isn't dressed up in "look at me" sauce and served with a side order of "you're all dumb" fries.

Unlike you, I have no problem in being wrong. My ego allows it to happen

Nope, I respect his opinion. Notice how it has changed from earlier with the benefit of more views. I'm good with that.

Note also how his opinion isn't dressed up in "look at me" sauce and served with a side order of "you're all dumb" fries.

Unlike you, I have no problem in being wrong. My ego allows it to happen
- lumlums

I respected your opinion and despite what you might think, I think you're a good guy. But the guys on the ice as well as Fraser know more than the TSN panel and it shows. The late push that Fraser alluded to is what I was talking about. The speed at which that play happens at and the location that it happens at is dangerous. These are the types of plays they have to call sternly because they're trying to remove the possibility of guy breaking his neck. If Gorges falls forward on that play, he risks breaking his neck on that play and that's something that they don't want happening.

You could practically see the poutine stains on his shirt.

His breath smelled like Pepsi.

He was smoking in the third period.

He took money from Ontario and didn't thank us.
- Atomic Wedgie

I respected your opinion and despite what you might think, I think you're a good guy. But the guys on the ice as well as Fraser know more than the TSN panel and it shows. The late push that Fraser alluded to is what I was talking about. The speed at which that play happens at and the location that it happens at is dangerous. These are the types of plays they have to call sternly because they're trying to remove the possibility of guy breaking his neck. If Gorges falls forward on that play, he risks breaking his neck on that play and that's something that they don't want happening.
- Two_For_Truth

Then why did you say hit from behind, came from behind, his arm was across his back. etc all night?

Then why did you say hit from behind, came from behind, his arm was across his back. etc all night?
- jribout

we almost all agreed it was a penalty... we just knew it wasnt a hit from behind

Then why did you say hit from behind, came from behind, his arm was across his back. etc all night?
- jribout

Because the late push is still on his back and you can clearly see that in the picture I posted. Brown did come from behind. He did make contact from behind on the late push.

I respected your opinion and despite what you might think, I think you're a good guy. But the guys on the ice as well as Fraser know more than the TSN panel and it shows. The late push that Fraser alluded to is what I was talking about. The speed at which that play happens at and the location that it happens at is dangerous. These are the types of plays they have to call sternly because they're trying to remove the possibility of guy breaking his neck. If Gorges falls forward on that play, he risks breaking his neck on that play and that's something that they don't want happening.
- Two_For_Truth

Thank you for a good, articulate response. Again, despite appearances I respect your opinion; its the tone that I often disagree with.

I disagree with regards to point of contact/direction of contact, but agree with regards to it being somewhat dangerous. I agree that a penalty was a good decision, but I thought that 5 was too harsh and the misconduct definitely excessive.

Did Brown mean to hurt him? Absolutely. Thats what he's paid for. I think that everybody is agreed on that point. Should he have been eligible to come on the ice later? Absolutely

Thank you for a good, well thought out response. Again, despite appearances I respect your opinion; its the tone that I often disagree with.

I disagree with regards to point of contact/direction of contact, but agree with regards to it being somewhat dangerous. I agree that a penalty was a good decision, but I thought that 5 was too harsh and the misconduct definitely excessive.
- lumlums

I didn't say anything about the misconduct but the penalty was definitely worthy of a major because those are the type of hits they're trying to eliminate. Just because a guy doesn't leave the ice on stretcher doesn't mean they can't give a major penalty.

Did Brown mean to hurt him? Absolutely. Thats what he's paid for. I think that everybody is agreed on that point. Should he have been eligible to come on the ice later? Absolutely

If Brown is trying to hurt him, that plays a role in the decision making when they're giving him a major penalty. If the referees think he's the type of player that has intent to injure, then he's going to get a major when he does stuff like that.

Despite what the TSN panel said, Brown deserved 5 minutes. That's a dangerous play. You can't nudge a guy from behind at that kind of speed. That's exactly how a guy will break his neck one day.

Maybe it's time the face-offs are done lacrosse style. Put the puck flat on the ice, make the two centers touch the puck with their sticks and then blow the whistle to start the play.
- Two_For_Truth

They could try keeping their stick on the ice the first time.

They could try keeping their stick on the ice the first time.
- Hawkman10000

But that leads to cheating. That's why the linesmen are having such a tough time with this whole situation. Every single center is trying to do something to cheat. The linesmen that try to stop them from cheating end up getting yelled at by people to hurry up and drop the puck. The linesmen that don't care end up letting centers take control of the face-off dot and the best cheater wins the draw.

The only way to eliminate the problem entirely is to simply put the puck flat on the ice, make the two players touch the puck with their stick and then blow the whistle to start the battle.

May the strongest center win.

They could try keeping their stick on the ice the first time.
- Hawkman10000

only a habs fan woul try to justify that the linesman didnt screw up that draw

I didn't say anything about the misconduct but the penalty was definitely worthy of a major because those are the type of hits they're trying to eliminate. Just because a guy doesn't leave the ice on stretcher doesn't mean they can't give a major penalty.
- Two_For_Truth

Very true. Again, I disagree with the 5 but thats just me.

If Brown is trying to hurt him, that plays a role in the decision making when they're giving him a major penalty. If the referees think he's the type of player that has intent to injure, then he's going to get a major when he does stuff like that.

Yup. Though in this game, everyone is trying to hurt everyone else in a different colour sweater. Just like Phaneuf on Gallagher today, or Gallagher throwing Phaneuf on Reimer last game, or countless other examples...

only a habs fan woul try to justify that the linesman didnt screw up that draw
- jribout

Or some numbnut claiming to be a leaf fan.. Spending hours and hours online, chasing his own tail in circles.. All at the expense of proving some phantom case against the team he allegedly cheers for.

No one is arguing that it wasn't reckless or a 2min penalty. The issue most are having on here *and mainly against 1 other poster* is that it wasn't a hit from behind, and therefore brown shouldn't have gotten a 5minute penalty.
- Pen15

Interference and boarding can also be called 5 minute majors. And it does kinda seem like you guys are arguing that it was a clean hit.

only a habs fan woul try to justify that the linesman didnt screw up that draw
- jribout

Meh. Just saying that Bozak stepped into take the draw and put his stick down. If he were to keep it there, there's nothin to female dog about.

And he could have down more that stand there with his arm out whining after the draw.

Very true. Again, I disagree with the 5 but thats just me.
- lumlums

The call was hitting from behind and there is no minor for that. It's just a major. The misconduct is something you could argue against but odds are the referees didn't want the game to get out of hand like it did last time so they tossed the 4th liner and set the tone.

Also, Gorges hadn't touched the puck yet. That's something else that should be considered.

Yup. Though in this game, everyone is trying to hurt everyone else in a different colour sweater. Just like Phaneuf on Gallagher today, or Gallagher throwing Phaneuf on Reimer last game, or countless other examples...

It's a collision sport and people are going to get hurt but it shouldn't be on plays like that. The game is fast and the boards are never going to lose a battle.