Hold on.. UG wrong.. that has never happened before... wtf...

- DoctorNHL

Oh yeah so true... I will say it again so people can clearly see it this time....

BOOM UG IS WRONG

So the referees are unprofessional because they're not calling it the way you want it called and the TV analysits are right because they agree with you. You lean on "professionals" when they call it your way but the guys paid to actually enforce the rules of the game are out of their mind.
- Two_For_Truth

Humans make mistakes. Its not a case of calling it how I want, but calling it how it should be called according to the rules.

The thing to point out here of course is that the analysts have the benefit of time and and replays on their hands, so if anything, their call should be more accurate than the officials on the ice (especially when all come to the same consensus).

They actually did....

PS here's a screen shot from 42.3 seconds to play (not 42.2 as shown before)



Note how you can see the numbers and how the contact is actually hip to hip???
- lumlums

Ya, it was a poopty call, but it's one game and the leafs need to put it behind them and look to tomorrow's game... The second of a back2back has been a bad second game so far this season.

And to all the idiots calling for Brown to get traded because he's "useless"? Please, keep your uninformed mouth shut. Cant believe the tsn panel is even wondering why we aren't creating any forecheck or pressure in the offensive zone... Well dub, one of our fastest skaters is the grinder that gets that poop started and also has a game misconduct. Go figure. How do these guys keep their jobs?

Its hip to hip. The contact is from the side, the momentum takes him into the boards. To put it into perspective, this is a legal play in soccer.

You can make a case for it being slightly reckless (ie a 2 minute call), but not at all for being a hit from behind.
- lumlums

This isn't soccer. There are no boards to break a neck on in soccer. He hit him from behind. He wasn't parallel and it wasn't shoulder to shoulder.

The call was hit from behind and there is no 2 minute penalty for hitting from behind.

Rule 43 - Checking from Behind

43.1 Checking from Behind – A check from behind is a check delivered on a player who is not aware of the impending hit, therefore unable to protect or defend himself, and contact is made on the back part of the body. When a player intentionally turns his body to create contact with his back, no penalty shall be assessed.

43.2 Minor Penalty - There is no provision for a minor penalty for checking from behind.

43.3 Major Penalty – Any player or goalkeeper who cross-checks, pushes or charges from behind an opponent who is unable to protect or defend himself, shall be assessed a major penalty. This penalty applies anywhere on the playing surface (see 43.5).

43.4 Match Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by checking from behind.

43.5 Game Misconduct – A game misconduct penalty must be assessed anytime a major penalty is applied for checking from behind.

Weak attempt, looks like the refs told Grabo what move to make.
- Leafland

Looks like he took Price for granted because Price isn't great in those situations.

You put the faith of the decision in the hands of "professionals" but the guys who actually call the game, who are professional officials, are wrong.

Okay.
- Two_For_Truth

This guy was a professional who called the game. He disagrees with you.

“@TSN1050Radio: Kerry Fraser - I am not onside with the check from behind call on Mike Brown”

This isn't soccer. There are no boards to break a neck on in soccer. He hit him from behind. He wasn't parallel and it wasn't shoulder to shoulder.

The call was hit from behind and there is no 2 minute penalty for hitting from behind.

Rule 43 - Checking from Behind

43.1 Checking from Behind – A check from behind is a check delivered on a player who is not aware of the impending hit, therefore unable to protect or defend himself, and contact is made on the back part of the body. When a player intentionally turns his body to create contact with his back, no penalty shall be assessed.

43.2 Minor Penalty - There is no provision for a minor penalty for checking from behind.

43.3 Major Penalty – Any player or goalkeeper who cross-checks, pushes or charges from behind an opponent who is unable to protect or defend himself, shall be assessed a major penalty. This penalty applies anywhere on the playing surface (see 43.5).

43.4 Match Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by checking from behind.

43.5 Game Misconduct – A game misconduct penalty must be assessed anytime a major penalty is applied for checking from behind.
- Two_For_Truth

In case you missed my previous posts... Your WRONG

Humans make mistakes. Its not a case of calling it how I want, but calling it how it should be called according to the rules.
- lumlums

Okay so humans make mistakes but the TSN panel is infallible?

The thing to point out here of course is that the analysts have the benefit of time and and replays on their hands, so if anything, their call should be more accurate than the officials on the ice (especially when all come to the same consensus).

Well they weren't more accurate. Analysts also have the obligation to keep the Leafs fans at home happy and telling them what they want to hear.

This isn't soccer. There are no boards to break a neck on in soccer. He hit him from behind. He wasn't parallel and it wasn't shoulder to shoulder.

The call was hit from behind and there is no 2 minute penalty for hitting from behind.

Rule 43 - Checking from Behind

43.1 Checking from Behind – A check from behind is a check delivered on a player who is not aware of the impending hit, therefore unable to protect or defend himself, and contact is made on the back part of the body. When a player intentionally turns his body to create contact with his back, no penalty shall be assessed.

43.2 Minor Penalty - There is no provision for a minor penalty for checking from behind.

43.3 Major Penalty – Any player or goalkeeper who cross-checks, pushes or charges from behind an opponent who is unable to protect or defend himself, shall be assessed a major penalty. This penalty applies anywhere on the playing surface (see 43.5).

43.4 Match Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by checking from behind.

43.5 Game Misconduct – A game misconduct penalty must be assessed anytime a major penalty is applied for checking from behind.
- Two_For_Truth

I bet that is how you attract all your friends in the real world.. I bet that talk just warms them up to you...

Gets you invites to functions.. people buy you beers...

Then it was interference or boarding. Either way it was a penalty. The refs gave a five for whatever reason maybe they didn't like the look on Browns face.
- Khadgar

Somebody going into the boards after contact is not even close to grounds for a boarding/interference call. Browns hit too him off balance (like most hits) and his first point of contact was then the boards (as often happens), but it was NOT from behind by any definition of the word.

This guy was a professional who called the game. He disagrees with you.

“@TSN1050Radio: Kerry Fraser - I am not onside with the check from behind call on Mike Brown”
- burn

Kerry Frazer "Wayne Gretzky did not high stick Doug Gilmour" 1993 playoffs.

Looks like he took Price for granted because Price isn't great in those situations.
- Two_For_Truth

Price new that fake was coming. Should have faked the fake, and not faked at all.

This guy was a professional who called the game. He disagrees with you.

“@TSN1050Radio: Kerry Fraser - I am not onside with the check from behind call on Mike Brown”
- burn

yeah but hold on... Kerry only has the disadvantage of getting to watch it over and over again and in slo mo.....

so please do not underestimate the accuracy of making the call at high speed like the on ice officials....

Kerry Frazer "Wayne Gretzky did not high stick Doug Gilmour" 1993 playoffs.
- Khadgar

Who (frank)ing cares what he thinks? He (frank)ing sucks

This guy was a professional who called the game. He disagrees with you.

“@TSN1050Radio: Kerry Fraser - I am not onside with the check from behind call on Mike Brown”
- burn

And for the first time since 1993, a Leafs fan sides with Fraser.

We've made history tonight folks.

Somebody going into the boards after contact is not even close to grounds for a boarding/interference call. Browns hit too him off balance (like most hits) and his first point of contact was then the boards (as often happens), but it was NOT from behind by any definition of the word.
- lumlums

He didn't have the puck and Brown hit him. He also hit him in about 5 feet from the boards. So it was either interference or boarding.

This guy was a professional who called the game. He disagrees with you.

“@TSN1050Radio: Kerry Fraser - I am not onside with the check from behind call on Mike Brown”
- burn

Lost his license in 1993.

In case you missed my previous posts... Your WRONG
- jribout

Wrong is a perception thing.. and in UG's eyes everyone else is wrong.. even if they show still images.. that prove him wrong.. he will only provide you with the facts that he is wrong.. although right in his mind...

can you see the paradox he lives in... wrong but right... and no one else can see it.

This isn't soccer. There are no boards to break a neck on in soccer. He hit him from behind. He wasn't parallel and it wasn't shoulder to shoulder.

The call was hit from behind and there is no 2 minute penalty for hitting from behind.

Rule 43 - Checking from Behind

43.1 Checking from Behind – A check from behind is a check delivered on a player who is not aware of the impending hit, therefore unable to protect or defend himself, and contact is made on the back part of the body. When a player intentionally turns his body to create contact with his back, no penalty shall be assessed.

43.2 Minor Penalty - There is no provision for a minor penalty for checking from behind.

43.3 Major Penalty – Any player or goalkeeper who cross-checks, pushes or charges from behind an opponent who is unable to protect or defend himself, shall be assessed a major penalty. This penalty applies anywhere on the playing surface (see 43.5).

43.4 Match Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by checking from behind.

43.5 Game Misconduct – A game misconduct penalty must be assessed anytime a major penalty is applied for checking from behind.
- Two_For_Truth

It wasn't shoulder to shoulder, it was hip to hip.

And he saw him coming.

This guy was a professional who called the game. He disagrees with you.

“@TSN1050Radio: Kerry Fraser - I am not onside with the check from behind call on Mike Brown”
- burn

Boom goes the dynamite

Price new that fake was coming. Should have faked the fake, and not faked at all.
- Leafland

Grabovski was moving at a Jason Allison-like speed as well which didn't help him at all.

Who (frank)ing cares what he thinks? He (frank)ing sucks
- Leafland

Dude Kerry Fraser had the best hair ever... what are you trying to say?

Wrong is a perception thing.. and in UG's eyes everyone else is wrong.. even if they show still images.. that prove him wrong.. he will only provide you with the facts that he is wrong.. although right in his mind...

can you see the paradox he lives in... wrong but right... and no one else can see it.
- DoctorNHL

Well that is why i am glad i live in a democracy and not in UG's imaginary Dictatorship world.... I would guess from my limited time in this forum that the poll results/verdict is

UG IS WRONG.... AGAIN

It wasn't shoulder to shoulder, it was hip to hip.

And he saw him coming.
- lumlums

His hands were across his back and he came from behind. He wasn't parallel with him at all. He can't see what's coming if it's from behind which it clearly was. He checked his left shoulder and Brown came from the right side and threw him face first into the boards.

yeah but hold on... Kerry only has the disadvantage of getting to watch it over and over again and in slo mo.....

so please do not underestimate the accuracy of making the call at high speed like the on ice officials....
- jribout

Should not have been called at full speed in real time.