I can't understand this from St. Louis point of view. I know they can handle the cap hit. But do they similar D coming down their pipeline or something?
- Just5

That's just it, St. Louis was never said to be shopping Shattenkirk. It's a made up rumor.

Overall, I think that is reasonable. Although that might not be the case right now with Coburn. He's been disapointing this Season.
- MJL

I'd agree that Coburn has look unlike himself at times, but I truly think most of his, and the team's problems, are larely due to the schedule, lack of practice, lack of rest, travel, and pressure on the D as a whole to keep things tight. The players aren't stupid, nor is Lavi... They're aware that the organization as a whole, GROSSLY mis-projected production and talent expextations for the current players on this team this season.

I really think that sums up Holmgren's lack of back-up moves too, that really, I think the organization projected the same, if not more from the young players and veterans, and that hasn't been the case at all.

I'd agree that Coburn has look unlike himself at times, but I truly think most of his, and the team's problems, are larely due to the schedule, lack of practice, lack of rest, travel, and pressure on the D as a whole to keep things tight. The players aren't stupid, nor is Lavi... They're aware that the organization as a whole, GROSSLY mis-projected production and talent expextations for the current players on this team this season.

I really think that sums up Holmgren's lack of back-up moves too, that really, I think the organization projected the same, if not more from the young players and veterans, and that hasn't been the case at all.
- Flyers_V88

I will offer this in reply. Grossmann looks just fine out there. In fact I would say he has raised his game this year. He's on the same team, with the same schedule and lack of pratice. I think Coburn has simply underacheived to this point.

Here's the actual quote from Briere:

"I don't want to comment on anything at this point. Trades are not my department. I've been a Flyer for a long time. My heart belongs in Philadelphia with the Flyers. I can't see myself playing anywhere else."

I will offer this in reply. Grossmann looks just fine out there. In fact I would say he has raised his game this year. He's on the same team, with the same schedule and lack of pratice. I think Coburn has simply underacheived to this point.
- MJL

I agree fully that Grossmann has actually looked great in almost every game. His speed is actually surprising for a big man.

That blurb was only my speculation on the assessment of Coburn. I just personally think that there was some very big mis-calculations from the Flyers front-office in how this team would perform with the players they kept. Consequently, I believe it's place tensions on certain areas in which we're seeing certain players under-perform than what we're normally used to.

That's just it, St. Louis was never said to be shopping Shattenkirk. It's a made up rumor.
- NickTheKid87

Its the Blues inquiring about Danny and reporters putting a name to the Flyers need...I would be careful when dealing with Doug Armstrong..He is one of the best GMs in the game and his track record on trades for the Blues is pretty outstanding I.E Halak trade and Stewart and Shattenkirk trade

Here's the actual quote from Briere:

"I don't want to comment on anything at this point. Trades are not my department. I've been a Flyer for a long time. My heart belongs in Philadelphia with the Flyers. I can't see myself playing anywhere else."
- NickTheKid87

He will waive

Its the Blues inquiring about Danny and reporters putting a name to the Flyers need...I would be careful when dealing with Doug Armstrong..He is one of the best GMs in the game and his track record on trades for the Blues is pretty outstanding I.E Halak trade and Stewart and Shattenkirk trade
- nonpoint22

We'd be lucky to get more than a 2nd and a decent prospect.

I can't understand this from St. Louis point of view. I know they can handle the cap hit. But do they similar D coming down their pipeline or something?
- Just5

It makes no sense at all, even Frank said that st Louis would want a lot more for Shattenkirk than Briere

Its the Blues inquiring about Danny and reporters putting a name to the Flyers need...I would be careful when dealing with Doug Armstrong..He is one of the best GMs in the game and his track record on trades for the Blues is pretty outstanding I.E Halak trade and Stewart and Shattenkirk trade
- nonpoint22

He's in a different spot now though. Instead of building, He has a very good team thats somewhat stuck in the mud. I'm sure he'd love to pull off a trade that he will believe may put him over the top, it's hard to win a trade the position he's in now (unless he gets to the Cup Finals)

if homer were able to pull of a briere + for shattenkirk trade with out moving V,Schenns, couts

It would be something like this:

I will offer this in reply. Grossmann looks just fine out there. In fact I would say he has raised his game this year. He's on the same team, with the same schedule and lack of pratice. I think Coburn has simply underacheived to this point.
- MJL

Underachievers is a long list...

Seabrook is a #1 defenseman in this League.
- MJL

Speaking of Chicago (significant Philly relevance in this article too):

http://espn.go.com/nhl/st...-flyers-know-makes-streak

If the Flyers come to a decision that they're ready to move on from Briere. they should simply say, look, we're going to buy you out after the Season. So how about doing us a favor and allow us to get an asset for the future? We appreciate all you've done for us, but we've treated you good also. See what he says.
- MJL

Regarding a compliance buy out homer shouldn't say anything to briere. If he buys out briere he still has to pay briere AND briere can get paid more by the team the he signs with (its double the pay day). If briere just waives his nmc and is traded he only gets the rest of his current contract. Put yourself in brieres skates, what would you do?

We'd be lucky to get more than a 2nd and a decent prospect.
- NickTheKid87

Yeah but you gotta think past this year. I really like Danny and would hate to see him go.. However his 6.5 cap hit is one of the things holding us back. If you get lets say a 2nd and a prospect and the cap space to land Corey Perry or some other big name free agent it doesnt look so bad

Briere for this guy

Ian White scratched, Danny Briere will be a Red Wing in 6 hours

Regarding a compliance buy out homer shouldn't say anything to briere. If he buys out briere he still has to pay briere AND briere can get paid more by the team the he signs with (its double the pay day). If briere just waives his nmc and is traded he only gets the rest of his current contract. Put yourself in brieres skates, what would you do?
- moylander

Well Briere really wants to play here so I'm not sure if money is all that important to him. He has a greater chance of playing here next year by being bought out by another team and signing a cheaper deal with the Flyers than he does staying with not waiving his NMC.

Edit: Also what Jsaq said a couple posts down.

It makes no sense at all, even Frank said that st Louis would want a lot more for Shattenkirk than Briere
- Jsaquella

Yeah but I cant believe a word that comes outta Frank mouth. Dustin Leed kinda blew him up on twitter today. Saying that the Blues werent even here

Regarding a compliance buy out homer shouldn't say anything to briere. If he buys out briere he still has to pay briere AND briere can get paid more by the team the he signs with (its double the pay day). If briere just waives his nmc and is traded he only gets the rest of his current contract. Put yourself in brieres skates, what would you do?
- moylander

The other team can buy Briere out, too.

He wrote that the Flyers have not asked him to. But Briere's quote was not an equivocal denial of his willingness to consider trade.

What Frank tweeted was not exactly what Briere is quoted as saying.
- Jsaquella

Would fine upstanding Frank do a thing like that?

Would fine upstanding Frank do a thing like that?
- bmeltzer

Ian White scratched, Danny Briere will be a Red Wing in 6 hours
- Jsaquella

I think I read that Ian White was going to Carolina

Would fine upstanding Frank do a thing like that?
- bmeltzer

It got me to click the link

I think I read that Ian White was going to Carolina
- nonpoint22

Lies, propaganda and bullpoop