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hscesq
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Feb 27 @ 1:49 PM ET
its as if you completely discount the right-handed shot factor
- Crimsoninja

You sicken me.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
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Feb 27 @ 1:49 PM ET
pro-rated?
- hon_hon_hon


So Ryder's contract is prorated but Cole's isn't ?

lol take that Dallas Sucters!!
BashCH
Montreal Canadiens
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Joined: 04.27.2010

Feb 27 @ 1:49 PM ET
I'm aware that Ryder is making 3.5 but his cap hit is 2.2 as per capgeek and nhlnumbers.
- kev1586


Probably because he will play (2.2/3.5 = 62.8) % of the season...and Cole's cap hit will be 37.2% of 4.5M$ for this year...
habby
Montreal Canadiens
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Feb 27 @ 1:49 PM ET

- dt99999

hon_hon_hon
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Feb 27 @ 1:49 PM ET
So Ryder's contract is prorated but Cole's isn't ?

lol take that Dallas Sucters!!

- Oilhab


ALL BECASUE OF GAINEY!\!!
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
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Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 27 @ 1:49 PM ET
You know who was once awesome for 19 games? Pierre Dagenais.

I agree with you, it's a good trade. I just think the reasoning that we're going to evaluate 2 guys after a lockout and 19 games is ridiculous. If this trade happens before 1 game this season you still think you feel the same way?

- habby

thank you

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habby
Montreal Canadiens
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Feb 27 @ 1:50 PM ET
Maybe the other players on Dallas' PP didn't do squat? Or was it the other way around and he didn't help them?
- jaymster790

I'm sure there's many reason. I'm just trying to figure out when Ryder became awesome. It's like people don't remeber we've seen a lot fo him already.
habby
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Feb 27 @ 1:51 PM ET
thank you

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- Symba007

Good, Dagenais sucked.
kev1586
Montreal Canadiens
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Feb 27 @ 1:51 PM ET
6 points in 19 games for 14 points in 19 games is very lateral indeed. I'm done.
- God_then_kovy


It's a lateral move.

All the crap Cole got for being defensively useless will go straight to Ryder.

Ryder gets more points.

Cole gets his teammates more points (forecheck where he creates mistakes and doesn't get a point on the play... something Ryder didn't do last time I watched him play). I've counted at least 4 of these this season for Cole.

Give Cole those 4 points for the sake of argument and you end up with 14>10. And that's with Cole playing what has been rather poor hockey by his own standard.

If that much difference makes you really believe that this isn't a lateral move to free up some cap space, then find a translator and watch the Cole interview on RDS where he sums up his discussion with Bergevin about the trade.
Oilhab
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Feb 27 @ 1:51 PM ET
ALL BECASUE OF GAINEY!\!!
- hon_hon_hon


You mean Gainless, lol!
Komisaurus Rex
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Feb 27 @ 1:51 PM ET
with the Cole move, this allows Bergevin to go after Perry, Getzlaf and Clowe. That'll be the Habs new first line in 2013-14. You heard it here first! (E73)
hon_hon_hon
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Feb 27 @ 1:52 PM ET
Ok, for the last time.

Habs got :

A comparable player (production wise for this season)

Cap flexibility

3rd round pick
Symba007
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Feb 27 @ 1:52 PM ET
with the Cole move, this allows Bergevin to go after Perry, Getzlaf and Clowe. That'll be the Habs new first line in 2013-14. You heard it here first! (E73)
- Komisaurus Rex

yeah.....no.
thebigbird
Montreal Canadiens
Location: NS
Joined: 10.14.2010

Feb 27 @ 1:52 PM ET
Most likely Scrivezina
- Symba007

TY.
Have we discussed the frenchness factor in the trade yet?
habby
Montreal Canadiens
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Feb 27 @ 1:53 PM ET
Ok, for the last time.

Habs got :

A comparable player (production wise for this season)

Cap flexibility

3rd round pick

- hon_hon_hon

Seems pretty clear that's exactly what they got.
kev1586
Montreal Canadiens
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Feb 27 @ 1:53 PM ET
ok, last rant aside, I'd really rather be talking about my math in the other discussion. Am I not right here? It seems like MB has created enough cap-room for a rental with this trade, no?
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
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Feb 27 @ 1:53 PM ET
TY.
Have we discussed the frenchness factor in the trade yet?

- thebigbird

The fact that Ryder is a Newf and that Newfounland is close to Quebec?
Oilhab
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Feb 27 @ 1:53 PM ET
The best part is that Ryder's points are now transferred to the habs and they get to pick and choose which games they didn't loss!

LOL Leaf fans looks like you lost the last game 7-6!!!
Pecafan Fan
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Feb 27 @ 1:54 PM ET
You mean Gainless, lol!
- Oilhab

hscesq
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Feb 27 @ 1:54 PM ET
with the Cole move, this allows Bergevin to go after Perry, Getzlaf and Clowe. That'll be the Habs new first line in 2013-14. You heard it here first! (E73)
- Komisaurus Rex

Your Elias trade made more sense.
hon_hon_hon
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Feb 27 @ 1:54 PM ET
You mean Gainless, lol!
- Oilhab

Pecafan Fan
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Feb 27 @ 1:54 PM ET
ok, last rant aside, I'd really rather be talking about my math in the other discussion. Am I not right here? It seems like MB has created enough cap-room for a rental with this trade, no?
- kev1586


Ryder IS a rental.
habby
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Feb 27 @ 1:55 PM ET
Your Elias trade made more sense.
- hscesq

Joey?
Symba007
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Feb 27 @ 1:55 PM ET
ok, last rant aside, I'd really rather be talking about my math in the other discussion. Am I not right here? It seems like MB has created enough cap-room for a rental with this trade, no?
- kev1586

I don't think the idea was to load up for the playoffs, it was to create cap space for next year without a big impact on the team this year and possibly avoid having to deal with a contract really hard to move down the line.

Can't see MB giving picks for short term help, quite the opposite actually.
hscesq
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Feb 27 @ 1:55 PM ET
Ryder IS a rental.
- Pecafan Fan

A truck rental. Lol.
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