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RyanZabizewski
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 01.13.2012

Feb 27 @ 2:00 AM ET
4.5 mil for 50 60 points is not horrible

if you are looking at just points, the market pretty much reflects a 10 points per million standard now adays

- Oilhab

That's if he can keep scoring 30+ goals. For the salary the habs have Gomez contract coming off the books.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 2:00 AM ET
As of now, the Habs have $53,890,000 committed to next year. Plenty of capspace.
- QuebecPride

How many players?
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 2:01 AM ET
That's if he can keep scoring 30+ goals. For the salary the habs have Gomez contract coming off the books.
- RyanZabizewski

he could score 20 and still put up 45 points

in 19 games he was paid 900 k or so, and scored (7?) points and thats a slow start and still not far off the average
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 2:04 AM ET
How many players?
- Oilhab


16.

Weber, DD, White become RFAs.

Budaj, Nokelainen, Ryder, Bouillon and Armstrong become UFAs.
RyanZabizewski
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 01.13.2012

Feb 27 @ 2:04 AM ET
he could score 20 and still put up 45 points

in 19 games he was paid 900 k or so, and scored (7?) points and thats a slow start and still not far off the average

- Oilhab

He could do that on his game. It's just hard to see him being able to return to that at his age. He's clearly slowed down.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 2:07 AM ET
16.

Weber, DD, White become RFAs.

Budaj, Nokelainen, Ryder, Bouillon and Armstrong become UFAs.

- QuebecPride


so 6 players to sign(22 or 23 man roster, it's late maybe 21 can't remember how many spares you can have) and 10 mil to go around, still tight

Still no room for a fancy new UFA signing thats for sure and was my point
ShafterBenRaide
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Proud fan of a bad team.
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 27 @ 2:08 AM ET
16.

Weber, DD, White become RFAs.

Budaj, Nokelainen, Ryder, Bouillon and Armstrong become UFAs.

- QuebecPride



And Kaberle will be gone.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 2:09 AM ET
He could do that on his game. It's just hard to see him being able to return to that at his age. He's clearly slowed down.
- RyanZabizewski

He;s 34 for for (frank) sakes, he didn't slow down he is out of shape and was injured up tot 2 weeks before camp started, not hard to understand

Have you ever had a long term injury that you had to come back from?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Feb 27 @ 2:09 AM ET
Didn't realize Desharnais was such a big topic of convo for MTL fans.


Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 2:09 AM ET
And Kaberle will be gone.
- ShafterBenRaide

still needs to be replaced
ShafterBenRaide
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Proud fan of a bad team.
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 27 @ 2:13 AM ET
He;s 34 for for (frank) sakes, he didn't slow down he is out of shape and was injured up tot 2 weeks before camp started, not hard to understand

Have you ever had a long term injury that you had to come back from?

- Oilhab



Cole had the best year of his career last year. But this year, he was playing like the Cole from Edmonton. And his comments about retiring at the end of the season probably didn't help him either.

Cole was a good player, but he was now playing on the third line. Bergevin is clearly building this team in his own vision. With 6 pick in the first 3 round, Bergevin has some cards now to either do some trades, signs UFA or even just go with young players.
RyanZabizewski
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 01.13.2012

Feb 27 @ 2:13 AM ET
He;s 34 for for (frank) sakes, he didn't slow down he is out of shape and was injured up tot 2 weeks before camp started, not hard to understand

Have you ever had a long term injury that you had to come back from?

- Oilhab

The last two years of the contract are going to be tough. We will have to wait and see if he has slowed down or not, theres no way to tell. All I know is he looks nothing like the Cole from before.
ShafterBenRaide
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Proud fan of a bad team.
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 27 @ 2:14 AM ET
still needs to be replaced
- Oilhab



Well, we do need someone to take his place in the press box.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 2:14 AM ET
Cole had the best year of his career last year. But this year, he was playing like the Cole from Edmonton. And his comments about retiring at the end of the season probably didn't help him either.

Cole was a good player, but he was now playing on the third line. Bergevin is clearly building this team in his own vision. With 6 pick in the first 3 round, Bergevin has some cards now to either do some trades, signs UFA or even just go with young players.

- ShafterBenRaide

not exactly his best year when looking at Point per game, there are a couple Carolina years that he had better years

he did not get along with anyone in Edmonton
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 2:15 AM ET
Cole had the best year of his career last year. But this year, he was playing like the Cole from Edmonton. And his comments about retiring at the end of the season probably didn't help him either.

Cole was a good player, but he was now playing on the third line. Bergevin is clearly building this team in his own vision. With 6 pick in the first 3 round, Bergevin has some cards now to either do some trades, signs UFA or even just go with young players.

- ShafterBenRaide


I hope he doesn't trade any of those.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 2:16 AM ET
Well, we do need someone to take his place in the press box.
- ShafterBenRaide

sadly you do. even if it is a 750k rookie

there is no way to fill out 5-6 roster spots with 10 mill and add a high profile ufa,

simple
ShafterBenRaide
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Proud fan of a bad team.
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 27 @ 2:17 AM ET
I hope he doesn't trade any of those.
- QuebecPride



Deep draft this year. Some good players could drop to the second and third round.
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 2:17 AM ET
The last two years of the contract are going to be tough. We will have to wait and see if he has slowed down or not, theres no way to tell. All I know is he looks nothing like the Cole from before.
- RyanZabizewski


Bingo. I think a good reason why Cole was traded was because of his comments before this season about retiring and his complaints. MB said it didn't matter to him but as Marty said, it's bullpoop. He doesn't want complainers. He was more of a nuisance on most nights this season, yes you can attribute that to his shape, but he didn't have the same drive.
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 2:18 AM ET
Deep draft this year. Some good players could drop to the second and third round.
- ShafterBenRaide


Yup. I expect 4 forwards, one D and a goaltender.
ShafterBenRaide
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Proud fan of a bad team.
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 27 @ 2:19 AM ET
sadly you do. even if it is a 750k rookie

there is no way to fill out 5-6 roster spots with 10 mill and add a high profile ufa,

simple

- Oilhab



Well next year I can see Tinordi making the team, and that would probably mean having a guy like Bouillon as 7th D.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 2:19 AM ET
I hope he doesn't trade any of those.
- QuebecPride

depends what you can get, for it.

seems to be a thing with people who like prospects to want the youngest team ever, but one team with all young players doesn't work on many levels.

it is good to have lots of assets in case some don't pan out, which most won't, but trading a 2nd round pick with say Gionta at the deadline for more proven player then a pick is not a bad thing at all.
ShafterBenRaide
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Proud fan of a bad team.
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 27 @ 2:21 AM ET

I wonder if Bergevin might trade Markov at the trade deadline? Big contract, 1 year left, high risk for injury.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 2:21 AM ET
Well next year I can see Tinordi making the team, and that would probably mean having a guy like Bouillon as 7th D.
- ShafterBenRaide


Tinordi probably has bonuses in his contract so he is worth more then a mil i would guess.

and resigning Bouliion is atleast another Mil down.

so 5 more players with 7.5 mil or so, remember you don't want to be right up against the cap either.

Oh look at that Getzlaf and Perry each signed for 8 mil a piece, ah too bad
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 2:22 AM ET
depends what you can get, for it.

seems to be a thing with people who like prospects to want the youngest team ever, but one team with all young players doesn't work on many levels.

it is good to have lots of assets in case some don't pan out, which most won't, but trading a 2nd round pick with say Gionta at the deadline for more proven player then a pick is not a bad thing at all.

- Oilhab


You said it yourself, the habs are not contenders. That's my mindset about the picks, let's not throw them away. Stack the picks. Let Timmins do his magic.

What I want the most is the Habs to eventually win a cup. In the post-2004/05 lockout, the draft is the bread and butter of cup winners. It's where it starts and ends.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 2:22 AM ET
I wonder if Bergevin might trade Markov at the trade deadline? Big contract, 1 year left, high risk for injury.
- ShafterBenRaide


and lose his precious PP?

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