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Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 1:13 AM ET
If gramma had hair on her chest, she'd be grandpa...


Also goodnight fellas.

- pete26

night
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 1:15 AM ET
Serious? so 14 when he was traded?

if it wasn't for that Calder the leafs never would of traded Rask for him

So it all worked out for the best

- Oilhab


Good point

Don't think he ever was traded, he signed as a UFA with Boston IIRC.
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 1:15 AM ET
If gramma had hair on her chest, she'd be grandpa...


Also goodnight fellas.

- pete26


Good night petey boy.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 1:17 AM ET
Good point

Don't think he ever was traded, he signed as a UFA with Boston IIRC.

- QuebecPride


That's right he was benched until his contract expired
RyanZabizewski
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 01.13.2012

Feb 27 @ 1:22 AM ET
are you 12?
- Oilhab

Cole wont be missed
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 1:26 AM ET
Cole wont be missed
- RyanZabizewski


such short attention spans in today's youth
RyanZabizewski
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 01.13.2012

Feb 27 @ 1:27 AM ET
such short attention spans in today's youth
- Oilhab

Do you not like the trade?
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 1:33 AM ET
Do you not like the trade?
- RyanZabizewski

- wrong time to trade him
- wrong player to bring in to "replace" let alone improve on
- (frank) the PP
- 5 on 5 will suffer with Ryder on the ice
- Ryder is who we know he is
- the cup is a pipedream
- Rentals should be for real contenders
RyanZabizewski
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 01.13.2012

Feb 27 @ 1:35 AM ET
- wrong time to trade him
- wrong player to bring in to "replace" let alone improve on
- (frank) the PP
- 5 on 5 will suffer with Ryder on the ice
- Ryder is who we know he is
- the cup is a pipedream
- Rentals should be for real contenders

- Oilhab


So what about
-Ryder is out playing Cole
-Cole makes more money for longer term
-Already showing signs of slowing down
-Hasn't done anything to help the team win
-His attitude in the dressing room was negative
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 1:37 AM ET
RyanZabizewski
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 01.13.2012

Feb 27 @ 1:40 AM ET
Who's the starter down there?
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 1:42 AM ET
Who's the starter down there?
- RyanZabizewski


I think it's Tokharski but he just came over. Not any major prospects in G down there anyway.
RyanZabizewski
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 01.13.2012

Feb 27 @ 1:43 AM ET
I think it's Tokharski but he just came over. Not any major prospects in G down there anyway.
- QuebecPride

We will probably draft one this year with one of the 2nd or 3rds.
ShafterBenRaide
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Proud fan of a bad team.
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 27 @ 1:45 AM ET

With Cole gone and Kaberle to be dealt with this Summer, with some cap space free, I wonder what player Bergevin has targeted to bring to the habs?
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 1:47 AM ET
We will probably draft one this year with one of the 2nd or 3rds.
- RyanZabizewski


Ya that's very likely. My personal favourite is Fucale, but Comrie and Jarry could be good options too.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 1:48 AM ET
So what about
-Ryder is out playing Cole
-Cole makes more money for longer term
-Already showing signs of slowing down
-Hasn't done anything to help the team win
-His attitude in the dressing room was negative

- RyanZabizewski


have you been following the conversation at all?

Who gives a poop about 18 games,

Cole was Injured until December, was out of shape due to the injury and not being able to train properly

poop happens sometime players are out of shape, and it take longer then 19 games to get in shape and overcome the mental hurdles that come with an injury

You don't trade him just because he is having a slow start in a shortened season that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

Since when is having a contract a bad thing

Would you have traded Cole for Cammy? Cammy is doing better then Ryder and brings more to the table

the only plus to the trade is that it was an early salary dump, but it could had been done later and they could have gotten a better return at the deadline when Cole is playing like Cole

Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 1:50 AM ET
With Cole gone and Kaberle to be dealt with this Summer, with some cap space free, I wonder what player Bergevin has targeted to bring to the habs?
- ShafterBenRaide

none, the cap is dropping there will be no room to add someone.

So get pictures of Getzlaf or Perry out of your head before your boner turns blue and white.
ShafterBenRaide
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Proud fan of a bad team.
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 27 @ 1:51 AM ET

I wonder how many teams will be in trouble next year when the cap goes down? Maybe Bergevin is thinking of getting a decent player from a team who needs to get rid of cap space.
ShafterBenRaide
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Proud fan of a bad team.
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 27 @ 1:53 AM ET
none, the cap is dropping there will be no room to add someone.

So get pictures of Getzlaf or Perry out of your head before your boner turns blue and white.

- Oilhab


The cap is dropping by like 6 mil no?

We got rid of Gomez and 7.5 mil, now Cole at 4.5 and soon Kaberle at like 4. I think Montreal will have some free cap space available.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 1:54 AM ET
I wonder how many teams will be in trouble next year when the cap goes down? Maybe Bergevin is thinking of getting a decent player from a team who needs to get rid of cap space.
- ShafterBenRaide


64 mil next year, the habs are at 70 mil, drop 3.5 mil for ryder and we are still over

obviously there are some other players that won't be back but you still have to replace them with similar players who will want similar pay give or take.

no room to add someone yet

Edit: Armstrong Budaj and Bouillon are the only UFA's

unless more salary dumps happen these are the habs that you will see next year
RyanZabizewski
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 01.13.2012

Feb 27 @ 1:57 AM ET
have you been following the conversation at all?

Who gives a poop about 18 games,

Cole was Injured until December, was out of shape due to the injury and not being able to train properly

poop happens sometime players are out of shape, and it take longer then 19 games to get in shape and overcome the mental hurdles that come with an injury

You don't trade him just because he is having a slow start in a shortened season that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

Since when is having a contract a bad thing

Would you have traded Cole for Cammy? Cammy is doing better then Ryder and brings more to the table

the only plus to the trade is that it was an early salary dump, but it could had been done later and they could have gotten a better return at the deadline when Cole is playing like Cole

- Oilhab

The biggest problem with Cole was the horrible contract. 4.5 million was way to much for Cole the way he was playing. Cole didn't fit into the long term of this team at all. You can't say you were impressed with his game like it was? it's not the first time he's done that. He's only showed flashes of returning to form maybe once every third game.

You say Cole's value could go up, but what about if he continues this pace? If that happens then we are stuck with a 3rd liner making 4.5. The deadline isn't far away at all, I guess we'll see what happens.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Feb 27 @ 1:59 AM ET
The biggest problem with Cole was the horrible contract. 4.5 million was way to much for Cole the way he was playing. Cole didn't fit into the long term of this team at all. You can't say you were impressed with his game like it was? it's not the first time he's done that. He's only showed flashes of returning to form maybe once every third game.

You say Cole's value could go up, but what about if he continues this pace? If that happens then we are stuck with a 3rd liner making 4.5. The deadline isn't far away at all, I guess we'll see what happens.

- RyanZabizewski


4.5 mil for 50 60 points is not horrible

if you are looking at just points, the market pretty much reflects a 10 points per million standard now adays

I never said i was impressed with his game so far, but i understand why he is having a slow start, and the team is winning so give him time
ShafterBenRaide
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Proud fan of a bad team.
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 27 @ 1:59 AM ET


Does Gainey also like Kaberle in Dallas?
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 1:59 AM ET
64 mil next year, the habs are at 70 mil, drop 3.5 mil for ryder and we are still over

obviously there are some other players that won't be back but you still have to replace them with similar players who will want similar pay give or take.

no room to add someone yet

Edit: Armstrong Budaj and Bouillon are the only UFA's

unless more salary dumps happen these are the habs that you will see next year

- Oilhab


As of now, the Habs have $53,890,000 committed to next year. Plenty of capspace.

QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 27 @ 2:00 AM ET
The biggest problem with Cole was the horrible contract. 4.5 million was way to much for Cole the way he was playing. Cole didn't fit into the long term of this team at all. You can't say you were impressed with his game like it was? it's not the first time he's done that. He's only showed flashes of returning to form maybe once every third game.

You say Cole's value could go up, but what about if he continues this pace? If that happens then we are stuck with a 3rd liner making 4.5. The deadline isn't far away at all, I guess we'll see what happens.

- RyanZabizewski


Salary was fine, I had trouble with the two upcoming years.
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