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jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 26 @ 9:40 PM ET
It's a 48 game and a 99 day long Season. Everything is amplified in a shortened Season. Daily values are higher then they would normally be. He's still only 32, soon to be 33. If he's healthy, he could find his game and help the Flyers. I don't like giving up a pick. But there is no long term risk.
- MJL


Trading picks away for a stiff like Kubina and a high pick for an aging winger is a long term risk. You have to keep stocking up.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 26 @ 9:40 PM ET
I sense that's an excuse
- ob18

Nope!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 9:40 PM ET
there should be a free pass when posting a video like this one.
- FlyerGuy


meh
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 26 @ 9:41 PM ET
there should be a free pass when posting a video like this one.
- FlyerGuy

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 26 @ 9:48 PM ET
meh
- ob18


No Cousin updates tonight?
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 26 @ 9:50 PM ET
This team has zero shot at winning the cup, ok maybe 1.0%. Why trade future assets for an LA backup. Doesn't this piss you guys off? If there's a future move I'm sure a team would prefer the Flyers 3rd rd pick to a backup. Hoping for lightening in a bottle is not a strategy!
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Feb 26 @ 9:52 PM ET
meh
- ob18

ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 9:52 PM ET
No Cousin updates tonight?
- stveshdy


Nothing, have checked with a few OHL scouts/reporters and they've heard nothing at the moment for suspension or his court case.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 9:54 PM ET

- FlyerGuy


Still no excuse for not sizing it correctly.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 26 @ 9:54 PM ET
This team has zero shot at winning the cup, ok maybe 1.0%. Why trade future assets for an LA backup. Doesn't this piss you guys off? If there's a future move I'm sure a team would prefer the Flyers 3rd rd pick to a backup. Hoping for lightening in a bottle is not a strategy!
- jstross


I think we have discussed that for 60 pages now.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 26 @ 9:57 PM ET
This team has zero shot at winning the cup, ok maybe 1.0%. Why trade future assets for an LA backup. Doesn't this piss you guys off? If there's a future move I'm sure a team would prefer the Flyers 3rd rd pick to a backup. Hoping for lightening in a bottle is not a strategy!
- jstross


Just cause Sutter had benched him doesn't mean Gagne's career is over. A 4th round pick is not much to give up if they miss the playoffs.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 10:02 PM ET
Trading picks away for a stiff like Kubina and a high pick for an aging winger is a long term risk. You have to keep stocking up.
- jstross


Kubina if he didn't get injured was not a stiff. And is a 4th round or possibly 3rd round pick a high pick? I agree about keeping picks. But the long term risk was in terms of his contract.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 26 @ 10:06 PM ET
Kubina if he didn't get injured was not a stiff. And is a 4th round or possibly 3rd round pick a high pick? I agree about keeping picks. But the long term risk was in terms of his contract.
- MJL


Just infuriates me that you trade Carter and Richards for young players and picks and now your trading picks for instant return. There just doesn't seem to be a plan!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 10:09 PM ET
Just infuriates me that you trade Carter and Richards for young players and picks and now your trading picks for instant return. There just doesn't seem to be a plan!
- jstross


It's not like they traded a first round pick for a stiff. You always need a mix of players. I really don't think the Flyers jeopardized their future with the move.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 26 @ 10:11 PM ET
One day anybody posting a video will post it correctly................I doubt it will be anytime soon.
- ob18

I post videos without destroying the page frequently
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 26 @ 10:12 PM ET
It's not like they traded a first round pick for a stiff. You always need a mix of players. I really don't think the Flyers jeopardized their future with the move.
- MJL


Gagne is a Kings backup. I'd honeslty go with Wellwood. At a minimum I'd want a pick back for taking on Gagne's salary. A 6 or 7 rder at best.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 26 @ 10:13 PM ET
Just infuriates me that you trade Carter and Richards for young players and picks and now your trading picks for instant return. There just doesn't seem to be a plan!
- jstross

we're not talking about 1st or 2nd rnd picks here, so lets not get to carried away.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 26 @ 10:14 PM ET
Still no excuse for not sizing it correctly.
- ob18

Guys, I just learned this song on the piano. This is the first song I know that is actually a piano piece, as opposed to an Elton song, etc....

I played it from ear

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 10:16 PM ET
Gagne is a Kings backup. I'd honeslty go with Wellwood. At a minimum I'd want a pick back for taking on Gagne's salary. A 6 or 7 rder at best.
- jstross


Call him whatever you want. I'm going to let him take the ice and see what he's got. The Kings did not have to trade him for Cap issues.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 26 @ 10:18 PM ET
Just infuriates me that you trade Carter and Richards for young players and picks and now your trading picks for instant return. There just doesn't seem to be a plan!
- jstross


Rebuilding while remaining a competitive team.

Let's put it another way, had they not made a trade today, with McGinn & Read out, they'd be basically waiving a white flag on the season. Regardless of the chance at a Cup this year, they weren't going to do that with 27 games left.

So they bring in a familiar face at a fairly low cost. If they're still on the outside looking in, they can sell off pieces and easily recoup what was traded away. In the short term, Gagne will bring a good veteran voice to the room and provide leadership
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 26 @ 10:22 PM ET
Guys, I just learned this song on the piano. This is the first song I know that is actually a piano piece, as opposed to an Elton song, etc....

I played it from ear


- Giroux_Is_God



Horrible
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 10:22 PM ET
Rebuilding while remaining a competitive team.

Let's put it another way, had they not made a trade today, with McGinn & Read out, they'd be basically waiving a white flag on the season. Regardless of the chance at a Cup this year, they weren't going to do that with 27 games left.

So they bring in a familiar face at a fairly low cost. If they're still on the outside looking in, they can sell off pieces and easily recoup what was traded away. In the short term, Gagne will bring a good veteran voice to the room and provide leadership

- Jsaquella


Bottom line is that you still want to make the playoffs. And that's what this is for. And you do what you can, within reason to try and make it.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 26 @ 10:22 PM ET
we're not talking about 1st or 2nd rnd picks here, so lets not get to carried away.
- isaiah520


I have no grand illussions that this team, this year will make a deep run. I'd be building assets rather than trading them. This team's, IMO, best days are ahead of them. Use Wellwood instead of Gagne. Is Gagne a massive upgrade over 'Z'? Id not use Z. Homer is in panic mode, IMO.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 26 @ 10:25 PM ET
Bottom line is that you still want to make the playoffs. And that's what this is for. And you do what you can, within reason to try and make it.
- MJL


I totally disagree. Trading pieces of your future to just limp into the playoffs is why this team hasn't had a cup in more than three decades. Colts are very happy to get Luck instead of trading assets to be competetive.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 26 @ 10:30 PM ET
I totally disagree. Trading pieces of your future to just limp into the playoffs is why this team hasn't had a cup in more than three decades. Colts are very happy to get Luck instead of trading assets to be competetive.
- jstross


Last season's Stanley Cup winner squeaked in and were in deep trouble at the half way point of the season. There's still plenty of time to dump assets if they are out of contention at the TDL.
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