That + will probably be a pretty significant pick for Glencross if Engelland is the centerpiece
- dbell646

Yea probably, i didnt exactly agree with who we trade just the idea of having glencross. Adding glencross and cullen makes our second and third lines better..and think cullen would be a good vet to calm things down

Yea probably, i didnt exactly agree with who we trade just the idea of having glencross. Adding glencross and cullen makes our second and third lines better..and think cullen would be a good vet to calm things down
- SayWhat...NoWay

I like Glencross I kind of have no opinion of Cullen I'm assuming he wouldn't cost much just as long as these don't bump Bennett out of the line up I'm ok with it. If I'm Shero my message is to the coach and the team that the mental lapses are just becoming old and they need to focus or more changes will come. DB needs to be held accountable for these mental breakdowns as well.

If a team is a reflection of it's coach, then Blysma is a very complex person. Unfortunately also dysfunctional. They seem to be overthinking and not keeping it simple. The defense is a bit sof as well. Despres should be playing every night.

I like Glencross I kind of have no opinion of Cullen I'm assuming he wouldn't cost much just as long as these don't bump Bennett out of the line up I'm ok with it. If I'm Shero my message is to the coach and the team that the mental lapses are just becoming old and they need to focus or more changes will come. DB needs to be held accountable for these mental breakdowns as well.
- dbell646

I think keeping the lines together for an entire game is the first step. DB mixes it up too much. I understand the penatlies do not help and lines get mangled. but there were times where players were playing with different lines... that pisses me off the most and the fact that DB doesnt change his in game style. If the below the goal line scheme isnt working, start using the points more, or vice versa. plus i have noticed too many men behind the net and no one in front of the net looking for a screen, tip in, or deflection..

bennet should be playing with top lines and despres should be with letang everygame!

If a team is a reflection of it's coach, then Blysma is a very complex person. Unfortunately also dysfunctional. They seem to be overthinking and not keeping it simple. The defense is a bit sof as well. Despres should be playing every night.
- powerhouse

What I think is funny is the reaction after a loss like last night. Seems most people think we need better players.......as if we don't have enough talent to beat a team like the Panthers.

I don't think it's "over-thinking". I think they're "not thinking". The players don't feel the consequences of their stupidity. I hate Disco's system, but even his system can't account for what Letang did on Florida's winning goal. Pure selfishness.

This is not a well coached team.....plain and simple.

That + will probably be a pretty significant pick for Glencross if Engelland is the centerpiece
- dbell646

It might sound strange, but this is the guy from Calgary that I would prefer Shero go after if he is available. He has a healthy cap hit the next two years after this (2.5 million), has a good frame, and probably would net 20-25 goals with either Sid or Geno. The problem is everyone will be bidding for Glencross for these reasons.

It might have to be a D prospect and a second or third rounder to get him.

What I think is funny is the reaction after a loss like last night. Seems most people think we need better players.......as if we don't have enough talent to beat a team like the Panthers.

I don't think it's "over-thinking". I think they're "not thinking". The players don't feel the consequences of their stupidity. I hate Disco's system, but even his system can't account for what Letang did on Florida's winning goal. Pure selfishness.

This is not a well coached team.....plain and simple.
- madmike71

madmike you're getting it wrong. It's not a matter of "we need better players". We do believe we have a good group of guys. What we need is a leader/lead by example/experienced/calming influence type of player. We're not trying to blow up the team whatsoever. Wake up and watch carefully. This ain't working come playoff time. We need a Guerin type on this roster, that's it. Calm this team and cut down the penalties.

Ain't that the truth. I'm not advocating moving Letang this summer, but it might be the only way that Morrow and Despres ever get real playing time.
- rival22

Hard to say that when they can't get past Engelland on a given night or even stop them from signing Eaton.

Yea probably, i didnt exactly agree with who we trade just the idea of having glencross. Adding glencross and cullen makes our second and third lines better..and think cullen would be a good vet to calm things down
- SayWhat...NoWay

Matt Cullen seems to be the new Cory Stillman.

I think keeping the lines together for an entire game is the first step. DB mixes it up too much. I understand the penatlies do not help and lines get mangled. but there were times where players were playing with different lines... that pisses me off the most and the fact that DB doesnt change his in game style. If the below the goal line scheme isnt working, start using the points more, or vice versa. plus i have noticed too many men behind the net and no one in front of the net looking for a screen, tip in, or deflection..
bennet should be playing with top lines and despres should be with letang everygame!
- nh4442

Funny that those are trademark Philly plays too. They do it EVERY game. Has anyone ever seen that team warm up or practice? It's all stick work with that team. Everything is about closing in on the net, getting a little distraction for the backdoor stick just sitting there for someone to toss the puck off of. EVERY time I tell you. Other teams are starting to run it on us too.

madmike you're getting it wrong. It's not a matter of "we need better players". We do believe we have a good group of guys. What we need is a leader/lead by example/experienced/calming influence type of player. We're not trying to blow up the team whatsoever. Wake up and watch carefully. This ain't working. We need a Guerin type on this roster, that's it. Calm this team and cut the penalties.
- Orpik44

You're missing my point. I don't deny they need a piece or two, but they shouldn't need new players to beat a team like Florida.

We shouldn't need additional players for leadership if there was leadership behind the bench.

Turnovers all over the ice, selfish penalties, lack of defensive structure are all signs of a poorly coached team. They're all waaaayyy to comfortable to do this on a nightly basis.

6th most in the league in times shorthanded. Not a winning formula no matter how good your PK can be.

You're missing my point. I don't deny they need a piece or two, but they shouldn't need new players to beat a team like Florida.

We shouldn't need additional players for leadership if there was leadership behind the bench.

Turnovers all over the ice, selfish penalties, lack of defensive structure are all signs of a poorly coached team. They're all waaaayyy to comfortable to do this on a nightly basis.
- madmike71

Unfortunately we are in need of some leadership. I agree we shouldn't need though. I do see some players feel too comfortable when making mistakes/taking stupid penalties/making low percentage passes. No accountability. And I'm talking about the star players/older players who should lead by example.

You're missing my point. I don't deny they need a piece or two, but they shouldn't need new players to beat a team like Florida.

We shouldn't need additional players for leadership if there was leadership behind the bench.

Turnovers all over the ice, selfish penalties, lack of defensive structure are all signs of a poorly coached team. They're all waaaayyy to comfortable to do this on a nightly basis.
- madmike71

I never get concerned when the Pens lose on the road in FL no matter how bad those teams are. It is late February, nice time of yr to be in FL....Im sure they lose a lot of focus.

That being said, The Pens will need to make some adjustments, its just a matter of how steep the price will be and what they are willing to part with. Im fine with losing a prospect or 2....In reality those prospects are 2 yrs out minimum.

I never get concerned when the Pens lose on the road in FL no matter how bad those teams are. It is late February, nice time of yr to be in FL....Im sure they lose a lot of focus.

That being said, The Pens will need to make some adjustments, its just a matter of how steep the price will be and what they are willing to part with. Im fine with losing a prospect or 2....In reality those prospects are 2 yrs out minimum.
- sammy87

I'm not opposed to losing a prospect or two either. We have D prospects coming out our yangs and Shero didn't collect them for poops and giggles. That said, I'm opposed to trading them for people who DON'T help solve short term and longer term solutions.

I'm not opposed to losing a prospect or two either. We have D prospects coming out our yangs and Shero didn't collect them for poops and giggles. That said, I'm opposed to trading them for people who DON'T help solve short term and longer term solutions.
- Oneonta Penguin

I think the answer is simple and was suggested earlier by Gunner. Letang would bring back a pretty good player. He's do a big raise and we have to start opening space for Morrow and those guys. Letang is a top 5 defenseman in the league if you ask me I'd ship him out west possibly for a guy named Eberle.

I think the answer is simple and was suggested earlier by Gunner. Letang would bring back a pretty good player. He's do a big raise and we have to start opening space for Morrow and those guys. Letang is a top 5 defenseman in the league if you ask me I'd ship him out west possibly for a guy named Eberle.
- dbell646

Orpik and Kunitz will all be up when Letang is, same with Nisk. I cant see Nisk hanging around, nor can I see Kunitz and Orpik getting close to the same, or both of them even staying. I cant imagine the Pens trading away their best D man....Orpik will be old by then and there is a pretty big drop off after that to a bunch of unproven rookies. I think Letang stays.

What I think is funny is the reaction after a loss like last night. Seems most people think we need better players.......as if we don't have enough talent to beat a team like the Panthers.

I don't think it's "over-thinking". I think they're "not thinking". The players don't feel the consequences of their stupidity. I hate Disco's system, but even his system can't account for what Letang did on Florida's winning goal. Pure selfishness.

This is not a well coached team.....plain and simple.
- madmike71

I am starting to come around to this view. While I do not think DB won a cup with Thierrien's system, I do feel DB has lost his effectiveness with this group. The constant posts about adding this player or that player are just a distraction. This team has the players to win. It is, however, lacking the structure to win.

I think the answer is simple and was suggested earlier by Gunner. Letang would bring back a pretty good player. He's do a big raise and we have to start opening space for Morrow and those guys. Letang is a top 5 defenseman in the league if you ask me I'd ship him out west possibly for a guy named Eberle.
- dbell646

I'm not opposed to dealing Letang either as long as YOU HAVE A SUITABLE REPLACEMENT READY TO GO AND MAKE IMPACT. For as good as Letang is or could be, he makes alot of careless mistakes that a top dman shouldn't make. Those mistakes either end up in the back of our net or land him in the penalty box. I overvalue him to death despite these mistakes. Eberle would be a perfect return.

Now that Letang QB on the pp has been replaced by Martin, who is playing exceptionally well, his stock in my eyes has dropped a little. He is a very important piece to this team, but if say a Despres elevates his game, or a Morrow can get ready in a year, I'm open to dealing him. I have a feeling the Penguins won't be able to resign him. Let someone pay the ridiculous amount of 7 million for him and go out and get the winger we need.

Matt Cullen seems to be the new Cory Stillman.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yea and am hoping for that vet that can maybe calm these guys down and put up guerin like points

Orpik and Kunitz will all be up when Letang is, same with Nisk. I cant see Nisk hanging around, nor can I see Kunitz and Orpik getting close to the same, or both of them even staying. I cant imagine the Pens trading away their best D man....Orpik will be old by then and there is a pretty big drop off after that to a bunch of unproven rookies. I think Letang stays.
- sammy87

So your saying we take Kunitz Orpik and Nisk money and give it to Letang? Well now we need 2 top 6 defenseman and a top 6 winger. I'm fairly confident the defense would have replacements in the system but I'm assuming we have to go find that top 6 winger elsewhere. I don't think Orpik and Kunitz take $2 mil less a piece to stay here. That would put both of them at about 1.75 mil. And that would take Letangs salary up to 7 mil which is a number he will be able to get somewhere if not here.

Yea and am hoping for that vet that can maybe calm these guys down and put up guerin like points
- SayWhat...NoWay

While he might be this calming influence, you have to wonder why this cat has moved around too many times. He would make a nice third line addition - getting TK out of there, but I don't put him in the same category as a Guerin or a Roberts. Not even close.

While he might be this calming influence, you have to wonder why this cat has moved around too many times. He would make a nice third line addition - getting TK out of there, but I don't put him in the same category as a Guerin or a Roberts. Not even close.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yea i agree, ultimately iginla would be my favorite addition

It's not like Bylsma doesn't notice. And Shero is smart enough to hammer him on it during their post-game meetings when they evaluate each player. It's up to the players themselves.

So your saying we take Kunitz Orpik and Nisk money and give it to Letang? Well now we need 2 top 6 defenseman and a top 6 winger. I'm fairly confident the defense would have replacements in the system but I'm assuming we have to go find that top 6 winger elsewhere. I don't think Orpik and Kunitz take $2 mil less a piece to stay here. That would put both of them at about 1.75 mil. And that would take Letangs salary up to 7 mil which is a number he will be able to get somewhere if not here.
- dbell646

I'm sure we all feel $7mil is too much to give Letang on a long term deal. $6mil is the magical number, take it or leave it. Kunitz/Orpik salaries will total at least $6-6.5 mil if we re-sign them. I can't see a big drop off.

If we come down to trading Letang and Eberle/Perry are not available, I'd try to bring a package of D.Brown/R.Scuderi or Voynov. Something like that.