I couldn't disagree more. Girgorenko has not been put into a position to succeed. Give him some time on the PP. Let him play with Vanek. Put him on a wing for now. Let Pomminville play with Hecht and ott. That would be a good line for us. Pomminville and Hecht have had some success together.
- Pillar

Homer has said (and I trust his source) that they absolutely don't want him to play wing. I really don't understand why, but even so, there are ways to make it work, without demoting your best players. The Sabres just simply refuse to use them either due to arrogance, stubbornness or both.

- dadeadhead

At work, no speakers on the computer.

I am trying to avoid quoting myself, but I get confused, you know, with all the voices I am hearing.
- Pillar

They've played their asses off and what's the result? 15th place in the conference. I'm sick of hearing about how hard people try or don't try. It should always be about results. Winning is all that matters. That's part of the entire problem. People in this town are enamored by effort moreso than they are with winning, especially the people that make decisions. That's exactly why we have zero championships. It's a loser mentality.

And they don't need to demote any center to put Grigorenko with guys of his skillset. They could put him on the wing, or move Ennis to a wing. This team is allowed to be creative. Putting a guy like Grigorenko with two grinders with limited offensive ability is setting the guy up for failure. The tunnel vision when it comes to things like this is mindboggling. What's are they scared of? Losing games?

I'm not enamored with Grigorenko. He should have been sent back down to juniors. However, he wasn't. He's stuck here. So, you need to use in him in a way that best helps your team. I refuse to believe that's between two guys with cinder blocks as skates. It was the same problem with Afinogenov. Anyone with an IQ of 16 could see that putting him with 2 guys (Ellis and Mair) that could barely skate made both himself and his linemates a liability. It's a complete misuse of resources.
- buffalofan19

If the kid's a center, he needs to play center.

Moving Ennis to wing is fine, though. That's where he started, anyway.

What I'm saying with Grigo is this: Show me something. I don't care who he plays with. If he is playing with Kaleta and McCormick, Ott, Scott or even Vanek, he has got to show that he wants the ice time, that he belongs, and that he wants to be the best player on the ice. If it's 6 minutes a game, then it better be the best damn 6 minutes he's played in this league yet. And then next game he gets 10. He's more confident, his coaches are more confident in him, and off we go.



And Afinogenov was his own worst enemy. How would you like to play with the only guy in the league that could put himself offsides? Was never a fan, sorry.

Brown for Pommer? Unless Darcy has picks of Kings ownership with a Tranny-that aint happenen
- Pillar

According to Homer, who I believe has a legit source, LA wanted Pommer for Brown last season and we said no

I couldn't disagree more. Girgorenko has not been put into a position to succeed. Give him some time on the PP. Let him play with Vanek. Put him on a wing for now. Let Pomminville play with Hecht and ott. That would be a good line for us. Pomminville and Hecht have had some success together.
- Pillar

I don't see how Hecht and sucess are put in the same sentence. The only thing we should hear about Hecht is reduced ice time.

If the kid's a center, he needs to play center.

Moving Ennis to wing is fine, though. That's where he started, anyway.

What I'm saying with Grigo is this: Show me something. I don't care who he plays with. If he is playing with Kaleta and McCormick, Ott, Scott or even Vanek, he has got to show that he wants the ice time, that he belongs, and that he wants to be the best player on the ice. If it's 6 minutes a game, then it better be the best damn 6 minutes he's played in this league yet. And then next game he gets 10. He's more confident, his coaches are more confident in him, and off we go.



And Afinogenov was his own worst enemy. How would you like to play with the only guy in the league that could put himself offsides? Was never a fan, sorry.
- Powerslave

Young centers are often (and successfully) eased into the NHL at wing all the time. Hell, Ennis played wing for far too long before they finally figured out he was better served up the middle.

At work, no speakers on the computer.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Larry Brooks is the The New York posts hockey guy.

Torts and him don't play well in the sand box.

At work, no speakers on the computer.
- Buffalo--Sabres

tort's ask's the reporter if he's ever fought before.....
reporter says why are you challenging me.....
tort's deny's it, says you were probably beat up at the bus stop as a kid. with that sarcastic article you wrote....
reporter starts to ask an snippy question....
torts says go stand in the back, er uh just get away from me.....

a real catfight!

According to Homer, who I believe has a legit source, LA wanted Pommer for Brown last season and we said no
- jdfitz77

I personally like Pominville more but no way they consider it again.

At work, no speakers on the computer.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Once Torts is fired do you think he goes looking for him and tries to kick his ass?

If the kid's a center, he needs to play center.

Moving Ennis to wing is fine, though. That's where he started, anyway.

What I'm saying with Grigo is this: Show me something. I don't care who he plays with. If he is playing with Kaleta and McCormick, Ott, Scott or even Vanek, he has got to show that he wants the ice time, that he belongs, and that he wants to be the best player on the ice. If it's 6 minutes a game, then it better be the best damn 6 minutes he's played in this league yet. And then next game he gets 10. He's more confident, his coaches are more confident in him, and off we go.



And Afinogenov was his own worst enemy. How would you like to play with the only guy in the league that could put himself offsides? Was never a fan, sorry.
- Powerslave

perfectly said

According to Homer, who I believe has a legit source, LA wanted Pommer for Brown last season and we said no
- jdfitz77

tort's ask's the reporter if he's ever fought before.....
reporter says why are you challenging me.....
tort's deny's it, says you were probably beat up at the bus stop as a kid. with that sarcastic article you wrote....
reporter starts to ask an snippy question....
torts says go stand in the back, er uh just get away from me.....

a real catfight!
- joshs

Young centers are often (and successfully) eased into the NHL at wing all the time. Hell, Ennis played wing for far too long before they finally figured out he was better served up the middle.
- buffalofan19

Stamkos, Giroux, Malkin, Gagne, Seguin all have played wing early in their career

If the kid's a center, he needs to play center.

Moving Ennis to wing is fine, though. That's where he started, anyway.

What I'm saying with Grigo is this: Show me something. I don't care who he plays with. If he is playing with Kaleta and McCormick, Ott, Scott or even Vanek, he has got to show that he wants the ice time, that he belongs, and that he wants to be the best player on the ice. If it's 6 minutes a game, then it better be the best damn 6 minutes he's played in this league yet. And then next game he gets 10. He's more confident, his coaches are more confident in him, and off we go.



And Afinogenov was his own worst enemy. How would you like to play with the only guy in the league that could put himself offsides? Was never a fan, sorry.
- Powerslave

I wasn't either. However, he was stuck on the roster. My point is you can't sit there and put him in a position that hurts multiple teammates because you don't like him, and justify it for that reason. That's just begging for failure. Putting him on the 4th line didn't make only him a liability, but it also made his linemates a liability as well. Again, that's simply poor asset management.

I don't see how Hecht and sucess are put in the same sentence. The only thing we should hear about Hecht is that he was sent back to Germany
- Buffalo--Sabres

Sorry fixed..

Larry Brooks proposes a Brad Richards buy out? Already? I would have said maybe next year.
- mes418

I was one of the few on here that didn't want him...
(mostly bc of the contract we'd have to give)
And I don't want him now either, bc if he does get bought out, whatever team gets him will still have to overpay
If I'm gonna overpay a free agent, I'll go after a 27yr old Perry, not a 30-something guy that's winding down

IMO 24 yrs old isn't a kid anymore.
- dadeadhead

It's been awhile since his last incident. Last I remember he had one well documented drunken night in some college town over the summer, and while he might have been an ass it was far from anything as outrageous as any young (rich )drunk man might do on any given night.

Once Torts is fired do you think he goes looking for him and tries to kick his ass?
- TerryPegs

No it goes back to when Torts was an assistant here If memory serves me correctly.

Stamkos, Giroux, Malkin, Gagne, Seguin all have played wing early in their career
- sbroads24

The Sabres are too smart to go that route.

It's been awhile since his last incident. Last I remember he had one well documented drunken night in some college town over the summer, and while he might have been an ass it was far from anything as outrageous as any young (rich )drunk man might do on any given night.
- JCSabs06

Have to remember all of the stories that get out are from outside chicago lots of things happen while there.

I wasn't either. However, he was stuck on the roster. My point is you can't sit there and put him in a position that hurts multiple teammates because you don't like him, and justify it for that reason. That's just begging for failure. Putting him on the 4th line didn't make only him a liability, but it also made his linemates a liability as well. Again, that's simply poor asset management.
- buffalofan19

Should have sent him back to juniors if this was how they were going to use him IMO. Press box and having John Scott as a linemate does zilch for the kid.

Should have sent him back to juniors if this was how they were going to use him IMO. Press box and having John Scott as a linemate does zilch for the kid.
- Gunner Staal

He gets a great view though.

Should have sent him back to juniors if this was how they were going to use him IMO. Press box and having John Scott as a linemate does zilch for the kid.
- Gunner Staal

could you imagine this board if he was sent back? Not to mention sent back and this team be poor while he tears up the Q