I think the guys have a little more self-respect and pride than that.
- bixll

Sorry bixll if you seen this team game in and game out it really seems that way.

They really do not play either that or they are just bad hockey players who do not belong here and are career AHLers which is probably the case. This form of competition is to much for them

When you have fans like some on here there is no pressure, these guys that think Snow is a genius and believe in his BS "plan". Guess what jackasses there is no plan. The only plan Snow has is reaching the floor, that's it. You think he's drafting some super competitive team than you're even stupider than I previously thought. Get your heads out your a$$ses
- Cptmjl

Exactly been this way for years and wil continue until Wang sells the team and Snow is ousted. Garth will never be a GM ever again with any other team. He should have been fired years ago

KO laughing it up with Ward after getting stopped in the first...then later on a shift he glides back toward his zone on D, takes a nice big lazy turn in center and glides up behind the play on offense again, not moving his legs once except to cross over on the turns the entire time...this is even beside him just falling into the boards and defensemen. This is what happens when you don't scratch the players who clearly need to be sent a message.
- UIF

I'm not watching tomorrow if KO and Bailey are in the lineup. This team needs to start making changes. I'm not wasting time watching KO and Bailey and the like do nothing.

Sorry bixll if you seen this team game in and game out it really seems that way.

They really do not play either that or they are just bad hockey players who do not belong here and are career AHLers which is probably the case. This form of competition is to much for them
- kasperrko

I just don't think a player in the NHL would blow on purpose.. Now, they might party too much, and blow; they might eat too much and blow; they do not take good care of themselves and blow as a result, but I don't think they go out and just not try..

come on!!! im not a cappy apologist but this is totally a tuesday morning quarterback comment. its VERY easy to coach when you know the result.if anyone complained about the timeout that was called, mind you, to rest the top PP unit which has been incredibly productive, in hopes to get them rest, go up 3 goals and stomp on the hurricanes throat then i dont know what youre watching.
- LetsGoIsles

I honestly was yelling at the TV 'NOOOOO" when he called that timeout. You are up by 2 goals and have a habit of losing leads. There's no way I'd condone trying to put the weight of the game on a power play in the 1st period. It was a terrible use of that time out.

**edit...I had to change the period...I wrote '3rd'...way too little sleep

Enough with this tired line. Its a sad line used by Bailey apologists. Its year five of the Bailey experiment. There are more excuses out there for why he doesn't produce than actual points Bailey's put up. Good players find ways to get on the score sheet. Bailey doesn't find the score sheet, nor does his buddy KO. They both suck and neither guy can be depended upon for any production.
- Jethro09

That line was only there because when you bash Bailey on this board, inevitably someone responds with the "he's a playmaker" excuse. Bottom line is that unless the first line is on the ice, I have very little faith that this team is going to score a 5 on 5 goal. It's like the role of lines 2-4 is to give the 1st line a rest. That said, I do think the 4th line is great on this team...I just don't expect them to score much.

KO dont care there is no pressure to do anything. He knows he is not going to go anywhere. Half the guys know that GArth Snow cant trade them so why bother playing. Snow thinks this is the best team going since he put it together but someone needs to tell Garth to his face that he sucks and his team on teh ice sucks as well
- kasperrko

Garth seems to think the talent is there to win so it must be the coach then? It's crazy how no one wants to take responsibilty to fix this mess.

I think the guys have a little more self-respect and pride than that.
- bixll

Have you watched them play?

Have you watched them play?
- Cptmjl

2 games, but to intentionally play poorly,,really.

I honestly was yelling at the TV 'NOOOOO" when he called that timeout. You are up by 2 goals and have a habit of losing leads. There's no way I'd condone trying to put the weight of the game on a power play in the 1st period. It was a terrible use of that time out.

**edit...I had to change the period...I wrote '3rd'...way too little sleep
- keaner17

How could you not knowing this team? Howie and butch both did some foreshadowing for the ones stupid enough not to pick up on it.

2 games, but to intentionally play poorly,,really.
- bixll

No. I'm nit saying that but at times they don't Give a shat. I know fans say this of their teams occasionally but in this instance it is evident they truly don't care. They for the most part are not winners.

I'm not thrilled with Garth at this stage but I think the biggest problem with this team at this point is Cappy. Now you can then say that Garth's an issue because of his standing by Cappy for too long, but Cappy's lineup decisions and game management is attrocious.

As for Garth's interview the other night, I'm not sure what some of you expected. Of course he was going to provide vanilla answers. Garth basically has three options in an interview at this point...he can either admit this is a undertalented team with way too many AHL players, therefore killing what little confidence this team has. He could make a bunch of knee jerk maneuvers and roll the dice that one may work therefore putting the rebuild at risk or he can stay the course and continue to throw a positive line that even he himself doesn't believe.

None of the options are satisfying from a fans perspective but that's what he's left with. It would seem to me that only the final option makes any sense.

He certainly wasn't going to go out and say "Yeah, we've got to improve the top line combo because Brad isn't going to cut it".

Garth seems to think the talent is there to win so it must be the coach then? It's crazy how no one wants to take responsibilty to fix this mess.
- ses111

I mean Boyes is a power forward and DP will get back to all star form. Seriously Garth makes me sick. He is an arrogant son of a biscuit who has no business leading this team or putting together a team.

I'm not thrilled with Garth at this stage but I think the biggest problem with this team at this point is Cappy. Now you can then say that Garth's an issue because of his standing by Cappy for too long, but Cappy's lineup decisions and game management is attrocious.

As for Garth's interview the other night, I'm not sure what some of you expected. Of course he was going to provide vanilla answers. Garth basically has three options in an interview at this point...he can either admit this is a undertalented team with way too many AHL players, therefore killing what little confidence this team has. He could make a bunch of knee jerk maneuvers and roll the dice that one may work therefore putting the rebuild at risk or he can stay the course and continue to throw a positive line that even he himself doesn't believe.

None of the options are satisfying from a fans perspective but that's what he's left with. It would seem to me that only the final option makes any sense.

He certainly wasn't going to go out and say "Yeah, we've got to improve the top line combo because Brad isn't going to cut it".
- keaner17

Dude Garth really thinks his teamis the best out there and thinks they are fine. He is arrogant and stubborn. He was like that when he played as well. He is like best friend with DP which I am sure is the reason why it took so long to make that dscion and he has no clue what a power forward is at all. Howin made him look real stupid and it is about time

second and third goals were Poulin's fault, nobody else's.
- Mr.Black

Other than the fact that I think Moulson could have blocked the shot on the third one, I agree with this, 100%. I still think he has the talent- I just wish whoever is telling him to move too much and drop too early would stop doing so. Large goaltenders are best suited to playing as "large" as possible. Save the jumping around for the shootout...

I'm not thrilled with Garth at this stage but I think the biggest problem with this team at this point is Cappy. Now you can then say that Garth's an issue because of his standing by Cappy for too long, but Cappy's lineup decisions and game management is attrocious.

As for Garth's interview the other night, I'm not sure what some of you expected. Of course he was going to provide vanilla answers. Garth basically has three options in an interview at this point...he can either admit this is a undertalented team with way too many AHL players, therefore killing what little confidence this team has. He could make a bunch of knee jerk maneuvers and roll the dice that one may work therefore putting the rebuild at risk or he can stay the course and continue to throw a positive line that even he himself doesn't believe.

None of the options are satisfying from a fans perspective but that's what he's left with. It would seem to me that only the final option makes any sense.

He certainly wasn't going to go out and say "Yeah, we've got to improve the top line combo because Brad isn't going to cut it".
- keaner17

If Cappy is the biggest problem than Garth can do something about that. He needs to bring in a better coach. He should be all over Ruff. I have a hard time believing Wang cannot afford his salary. Garth should also be able to make trades without risking the rebuild. Move KO and Bailey. They do not seem to be part of the solution. Snow and company just cannot put there hands and do nothing. The time for patience is over.

Dude Garth really thinks his teamis the best out there and thinks they are fine. He is arrogant and stubborn. He was like that when he played as well. He is like best friend with DP which I am sure is the reason why it took so long to make that dscion and he has no clue what a power forward is at all. Howin made him look real stupid and it is about time
- kasperrko

I think Garth says whatever he thinks his boss wants to hear. That is the real problem. I don't know if you'd see him be a good GM without Wang there, but it's impossible to tell, IMO. All I can say is this- when you have thoughts like, "he's good at getting to the cap floor," you have to realize that there's a REASON he works so hard at that aspect of the job....he's not the guy with the money......or without the money......

That line was only there because when you bash Bailey on this board, inevitably someone responds with the "he's a playmaker" excuse. Bottom line is that unless the first line is on the ice, I have very little faith that this team is going to score a 5 on 5 goal. It's like the role of lines 2-4 is to give the 1st line a rest. That said, I do think the 4th line is great on this team...I just don't expect them to score much.
- Charlie21

I wrote my comment in response to yours, but mine was really directed at anyone who continuously uses that "playmaker" nonsense as a crutch for Bailey's poor play. It wasn't necessarily directed solely at you.

Thank you Captain I dont know how no one understands that. John Torterella did that against the Islanders last time and the Islanders won the game. Some one else did the same thing and the team came back and won. You just dont do that period
- kasperrko

you won me over

Plenty of people understand it. He's either that stupid or he wants to argue. Probably a combination of the two? Cappy is a jackass. Putting the Tavares line out there with two and a half.minutes left. Bad move after bad move yesterday. There's no defending the guy. He'll make an excuse for anything this club does and then say he's not a homer. Talks out of both sides of his mouth every (frank)ing day
- Cptmjl

im looking to have a conversation, youre looking to get in a fight.

I'm not thrilled with Garth at this stage but I think the biggest problem with this team at this point is Cappy. Now you can then say that Garth's an issue because of his standing by Cappy for too long, but Cappy's lineup decisions and game management is attrocious.

As for Garth's interview the other night, I'm not sure what some of you expected. Of course he was going to provide vanilla answers. Garth basically has three options in an interview at this point...he can either admit this is a undertalented team with way too many AHL players, therefore killing what little confidence this team has. He could make a bunch of knee jerk maneuvers and roll the dice that one may work therefore putting the rebuild at risk or he can stay the course and continue to throw a positive line that even he himself doesn't believe.

None of the options are satisfying from a fans perspective but that's what he's left with. It would seem to me that only the final option makes any sense.

He certainly wasn't going to go out and say "Yeah, we've got to improve the top line combo because Brad isn't going to cut it".
- keaner17

I wasn't expecting anything from Snow. Why would he admit to putting these clowns together? We'll always have his followers blame Wang, it's a win win for him. If it was Burke even with his ego he would say this was unacceptable, Garf? NO WAY! Garf is too smart for anyone. As far as him "jeapordizing the "rebuild" come on. lol. Trading away some prospects for help for a team that desparately needs it is not "knee jerk reactions" after five going on six years of "rebuilding". Far from it. When is it not a "knee jerk reaction"? Last year HE said he had the prospects to trade this year all of a sudden he doesn't when he actually has more than previously? How does this even make sense? Maybe it has something to do with these prospects not being worth shat minus Strome and maybe Reinhart how was another "stretch pick" by Garf? Enough is enough, enough with the excuses for this clown. He is not a good GM, blame Wangster all you want.

im looking to have a conversation, youre looking to get in a fight.
- LetsGoIsles

Really? How many times did you call me cptdouche in this thread when I wasn't posting. stfu. You're wrong. Snow sucks, Cappy sucks, and you are you. A douche . Defending everything Islanders and making pretend to have an objedctive opinion, you're an unintelligent jackass. All you do is mouth off to me sometimes when I'm not even posting, grow the (frank) up. You little turd. Your arrogance is not appreciated especially when you're as stupid as you

If Cappy is the biggest problem than Garth can do something about that. He needs to bring in a better coach. He should be all over Ruff. I have a hard time believing Wang cannot afford his salary.
- ses111

I don't know if Wang cannot AFFORD the salary, but I don't think he wants to....and Ruff certainly isn't going to want to come to another situation where he sees his players leave through FA every other year. If I'm Ruff, I'm waiting until the Flyers finally suck enough that Laviolette gets shown the door, for example. There's no way I'm coming here to work for this owner, no way. The Thomas thing is a big red flag to ANYONE who would consider a position here, guaranteed. Like I've said many times, I have always defended and will always defend Wang where it comes to Hempstead and Nassau, but I'm not going to defend the cheap-a*sed way he's been running this team for the past few years.

I mean Boyes is a power forward and DP will get back to all star form. Seriously Garth makes me sick. He is an arrogant son of a biscuit who has no business leading this team or putting together a team.
- kasperrko

if you are going to bash garth, it would be smart to use a player that wasnt just demoted to the ahl as your point of reference.

Really? How many times did you call me cptdouche in this thread when I wasn't posting. stfu. You're wrong. Snow sucks, Cappy sucks, and you are you. A douche . Defending everything Islanders and making pretend to have an objedctive opinion, you're an unintelligent jackass. All you do is mouth off to me sometimes when I'm not even posting, grow the (frank) up. You little turd. Your arrogance is not appreciated especially when you're as stupid as you
- Cptmjl