I might as well prepare for bringing most of the same scrubs back on this team next year. This offseason we will hear how there were no good UFA 's for the Isles to sign.
- ses111

I don't think it's as bad as we think. There are about 9 forwards that are worthy of NHL minutes. This is no order.

Tavares,Moulson,boyes(resign most likely),grabner,Neilson,ullstrom,cizikas,Martin,McDonald.

Niño and strome will be up next year. Maybe Brock Nelson, maybe anders lee.

This is why Garth isn't doing anything but he needs to make a decision on okposo and bailey, if they can't play then now is the time to send them packing.

I do think this is one of the best and honest comments ive read in a long time. you put aside your personal feelings about the team sucking the passed few years. This is my OPINION...but i feel as if the Lubo and Rolston trades were simply for cap hits, and has nothing to do with talent, what so ever. Same exact thing with Tim Thomas. Whether Snow wanted to make these trades or not because of Wang, we do not necessarily know. But he is the GM and when it comes down to it, he is the one who makes the trade, and should be viewed negatively for them.

A lot of people also need to consider the rotating door of poor coaches. On top of that, Snow has fired numerous valuable staff. The one that bothered me the most was letting go of Jankowski (I think that was his name, the amateur scout that was scooped up by montreal in literally a day). Whether or not Snow MADE those decisions is somewhat unknown, but when it comes down to it, hes the GM and those were poor decisions. Hes the one in the position that has to take fault for them even if Wang was the one who decided to do that.

As Cpt has pointed out, he promised a cup contending team in 5 years, and they team has not made any progress towards that goal. Some arguements can be made that he has made progress, but it is MINIMAL at best.
- Dedshark

I appreciate the complitment, honestly do.
As far as the bolded part, I'm not debating if he did say this or not, but I can't actually find a quote from him where he mentions the timeline. I think the general pecerption in sports is that a rebuild should take 5 years so it goes from there. That said, a typical rebuild normally consists of free agent acquisitions, trades, draft picks. The Isles seem to be functioning off of one of those resources and mildly off a second.

Given what the fanbase has been through over the years, Garth's lack of frank communicatioin comes off as insulting because fans believe they rightfully deserve more due to their pain and suffering. It's hard for me to dispute that. Unfotnuately due to the lack of talent resources the Isles can draw from, the 'progress' can only presently be measured in juniors and the AHL. Most of our additions for the rebuild are just now getting old enough to find their way into the pros.

I don't think it's as bad as we think. There are about 9 forwards that are worthy of NHL minutes. This is no order.

Tavares,Moulson,boyes(resign most likely),grabner,Neilson,ullstrom,cizikas,Martin,McDonald.

Niño and strome will be up next year. Maybe Brock Nelson, maybe anders lee.

This is why Garth isn't doing anything but he needs to make a decision on okposo and bailey, if they can't play then now is the time to send them packing.
- Isles316

It's definitely a fish or cut bait time with both Bailey and Okposo. I don't think either will be here next year

Capt and LGI had a breakthrough moment.
- keaner17

It's definitely a fish or cut bait time with both Bailey and Okposo. I don't think either will be here next year
- keaner17

I won't lose any sleep

I won't lose any sleep
- Mr.Black

but what will you do with your Okposo jersey?

I won't lose any sleep
- Mr.Black

Who else can we send with Bailey and KO? We do not want them to be lonely.

I don't think it's as bad as we think. There are about 9 forwards that are worthy of NHL minutes. This is no order.

Tavares,Moulson,boyes(resign most likely),grabner,Neilson,ullstrom,cizikas,Martin,McDonald.

Niño and strome will be up next year. Maybe Brock Nelson, maybe anders lee.

This is why Garth isn't doing anything but he needs to make a decision on okposo and bailey, if they can't play then now is the time to send them packing.
- Isles316

Unrelated to most of this post, but I'm not nearly as high on Lee as most. My guess: 3rd liner. And several years out.

Unrelated to most of this post, but I'm not nearly as high on Lee as most. My guess: 3rd liner. And several years out.
- eichiefs9

You think he is several years from being ready chief? Either way the odds do not look good with him signing with the Isles.

Im really bad with computers...can anyone tell me how to upload a photo on this board? I just made something I thought you guys might get a good laugh outa it

I appreciate the complitment, honestly do.
As far as the bolded part, I'm not debating if he did say this or not, but I can't actually find a quote from him where he mentions the timeline. I think the general pecerption in sports is that a rebuild should take 5 years so it goes from there. That said, a typical rebuild normally consists of free agent acquisitions, trades, draft picks. The Isles seem to be functioning off of one of those resources and mildly off a second.

Given what the fanbase has been through over the years, Garth's lack of frank communicatioin comes off as insulting because fans believe they rightfully deserve more due to their pain and suffering. It's hard for me to dispute that. Unfotnuately due to the lack of talent resources the Isles can draw from, the 'progress' can only presently be measured in juniors and the AHL. Most of our additions for the rebuild are just now getting old enough to find their way into the pros.
- keaner17

I posted the interview last season. He said his rebuild was a 5 yr plan. Anyone who was posting regularly on HB last yr read it.

There were many comments to that particular post. In fact. I made mention that Snow actually made a mistake and said the 2011-2012 season was the last yr of his 5 yr plan. Maybe that will shake some memories.

I do think this is one of the best and honest comments ive read in a long time. you put aside your personal feelings about the team sucking the passed few years. This is my OPINION...but i feel as if the Lubo and Rolston trades were simply for cap hits, and has nothing to do with talent, what so ever. Same exact thing with Tim Thomas. Whether Snow wanted to make these trades or not because of Wang, we do not necessarily know. But he is the GM and when it comes down to it, he is the one who makes the trade, and should be viewed negatively for them.

A lot of people also need to consider the rotating door of poor coaches. On top of that, Snow has fired numerous valuable staff. The one that bothered me the most was letting go of Jankowski (I think that was his name, the amateur scout that was scooped up by montreal in literally a day). Whether or not Snow MADE those decisions is somewhat unknown, but when it comes down to it, hes the GM and those were poor decisions. Hes the one in the position that has to take fault for them even if Wang was the one who decided to do that.

As Cpt has pointed out, he promised a cup contending team in 5 years, and they team has not made any progress towards that goal. Some arguements can be made that he has made progress, but it is MINIMAL at best.
- Dedshark

If Cptjl can't see how much better this team is compared to 5 years ago... then he is not looking @ the big picture.

This team had no prospects or depth 5 years ago.

When you blow up a team and start fresh... it should be expected it's going to take time.

Plus... it's not like he had the payroll to throw money around @ FA.

This team played in the crappiest arena in sports.

Nobody knew where they would be playing or living after 2015.

Wang is running this team on a shoe string budget.

He has to pick up Thomas, just so he doesn't fall under the cap if he makes some trades @ the deadline.

Our cap space is made up of Yashin's buyout... Thomas fake cap dollars... Vis 5 million contract that Wang only pays out 3 million, etc...

We barely spend to the cap floor.

Until Wang sells this team the Isles will not spend the money they need to.

Can you imagine if Snow had even an extra 10 million to spend?

Snow will never come out and call Wang a cheap ass... why would he?

He has 1 of the 30 great jobs in the NHL.

Who wouldn't want to be an NHL GM?

Do I love Snow... no!!! Can he do a better job? sure!!! Does he get the same tools to use as other GM's...No!!!

I posted the interview last season. He said his rebuild was a 5 yr plan. Anyone who was posting regularly on HB last yr read it.

There were many comments to that particular post. In fact. I made mention that Snow actually made a mistake and said the 2011-2012 season was the last yr of his 5 yr plan. Maybe that will shake some memories.
- SCLI

do you know how to upload pictures into this thread by any chance?

Im really bad with computers...can anyone tell me how to upload a photo on this board? I just made something I thought you guys might get a good laugh outa it
- Dedshark

If Cptjl can't see how much better this team is compared to 5 years ago... then he is not looking @ the big picture.

This team had no prospects or depth 5 years ago.

When you blow up a team and start fresh... it should be expected it's going to take time.

Plus... it's not like he had the payroll to throw money around @ FA.

This team played in the crappiest arena in sports.

Nobody knew where they would be playing or living after 2015.

Snow is running this team on a shoe string budget.

He has to pick up Thomas, just so he doesn't fall under the cap if he makes some trades @ the deadline.

Our cap space is made up of Yashin's buyout... Thomas fake cap dollars... Vis 5 million contract that Wang only pays out 3 million, etc...

We barely spend to the cap floor.

Until Wang sells this team the Isles will not spend the money they need to.

Can you imagine if Snow had even an extra 10 million to spend?

Snow will never come out and call Wang a cheap ass... why would he?

He has 1 of the 30 great jobs in the NHL.

Who wouldn't want to be an NHL GM?

Do I love Snow... no!!! Can he do a better job? sure!!! Does he get the same tools to use as other GM's...No!!!
- jimmc7722

i agree with every single one of your points for the most part...but it lies on him when he fell WAY short of what he demanded on himself.

he should have been well aware of the situation and know what to expect...

- jimmc7722

any chance on helping me out with how to do that? thanks for showing me up lol

edit: is that charles??

but what will you do with your Okposo jersey?
- keaner17

I'm running low on toilet paper...

any chance on helping me out with how to do that? thanks for showing me up lol

edit: is that charles??
- Dedshark

Yea it is....

click.... Img

then paste your pic

then click... Img again.

Who else can we send with Bailey and KO? We do not want them to be lonely.
- ses111

be easier to name who not to send: Tavares, Moulson, and Hickey

I think based on the overall outrage over the interview that's self explanatory. You're a highly emotional fan, which I get and am as well. I just don't hit as many peaks and valleys as you seem to on here. For every rant you throw on here you seem to also have decent moments of clarity. That's the nature of an abused fan. I get and relate to that.
I think Snow is an easy target considering the state of this franchise and he deserves plenty of venom simply because that's the chair he sits in. That said, and as I've mentioned before, the people who damned him from the beginning because he stepped off the ice and into the office don't seem to be too aware of where a fair amount of NHL GM's came from.
I've said all along that when considering Garth and the issues that surround this franchise, I score him a "C-" . I don't think his draft record is THAT bad, though I think moves like Bailey left me befuddled. I don't think many GM's would have done too well with ownership that's working on a dollarday budget in a venue that's a couple of tremors from collapsing.

Overall, I don't think anyone should pay attention to a word Garth says at this point because I think there are too many negative factors behind the scenes to expect any shred of unfiltered content. His record is mixed. At one Million, Boyes wasn't a bad signing. At this stage he's on pace for 65 points. Moulson was a great signing. Grabner, great signing. The Hickey move looks okay thus far. Overall, the Streit signing was a good one. The Viz trade was a good one. Rolo, Nabby, PA Parenteau, Strait, drafting Hamonic, Martin... Then there's bad moves like Bailey, Rolston, Reasoner etc. Point is, that considering the joke this franchise has become which long predated Snow, he hasn't exactly had an easy climate to work with. No GM in the NHL has faced the adversity he has. I don't know if he is a good GM or not because he's had NOTHING to work with.
- keaner17

Look no further than the Isles last GM. You forget when the islanders had to sit coach or if they broke a stick they had to pay for it. You had some good point and your abused fan symptom comment was probably the funniest today! lol. I don't have this woe is me attitude for garth, I wasn't happy when he was first given the job. Who in their right mind would be? Where you? I doubt it. After he took control i gave him the benefit of the doubt and brought into his "rebuild". You know the "rebuild" that has shown nothing, yeah. That's where you and I differ in opinion. I feel i can form one, you feel you can't. Let me ask you something. You say you can't fault Snow for much, right? It's not his fault this or that happened because you speculate that Wang has the reigns. OK. So why do you give him credit for Moulson, PA, etc? Does Wang only get credit for negative shat that happens or maybe Wang actually signed those players? How does that work in your world? I have a hard time understanding this concept. Snow seems to get credit for these signings but when anything negative pops along you can always blame Wang? Serious question?

do you know how to upload pictures into this thread by any chance?
- Dedshark

Sorry, no. Tried to several times. I seem to be able to copy images and paste them just about anywhere else except here on HB!

Dont know why.

Boyes is actually producing more than I thought he would. I agree with this comment 100%.

It's funny, I think howie is still pissed at snow. Just listening to the mets on the radio and he brought up how one of the guys on the nationals (Hoffman) was drafted in 2003 by Minnesota. "Hey if this baseball thing doesn't work out, Hoffman can play with Tavares and Moulson and be the power forward they need."

Classic
- Isles316

that's awesome. It's not that Snow pissed Howie off, it has more to do with no one respects him. It's not hard to see.

- jimmc7722

Doesnt sound rite.

Doenst even look good.

That's AWESOME! Howie's days may be numbered.
- keaner17

He's a goner