well that was my point in dodging the questions. Its either he wont admit it, or he doesnt realize.
- Dedshark

I think the assumption should be that he knows it but won't admit it. You don't have to be a 'qualified GM' to see it. And again, that's what I'm saying, rarely to GM's come out and make bold statements on the need to pull a trade. Especially on a team that faces the financial and perceptive problems this one does.

I think the assumption should be that he knows it but won't admit it. You don't have to be a 'qualified GM' to see it. And again, that's what I'm saying, rarely to GM's come out and make bold statements on the need to pull a trade. Especially on a team that faces the financial and perceptive problems this one does.
- keaner17

But dont you think its insane that we have to "assume" he knows and wont admit it. We shouldnt have to assume anything, we should be confident enough in our GM that he 100% knows.

Excuses? I promise you I'm not so shallow as to need to make excuses for anyone. Their record is their record. My comments regarding that interview have nothing to do with Garth's record as a GM but rather saying it's standard cookie cutter type quotes from a GM on their own teams TV broadcast.

I've been quite critical about plenty of things Snow has done wrong (ie. Nino, Bailey, Okposo, Cappy) but I also don't feel as married to one side or the other than I need to constantly search for the ends to justify the means. Just like political arguements when people who assume anyone who criticizes the Prez must be a Fox sheep or those who criticize Repubs must be Olbermann fans, I'm not as easily polarized as that.

Those quotes from Snow should be seen as what they are...NOTHING. Useless garbage used to fill and bide time. If you were hoping for more, then shame on you for expecting more. Just like the players in the lockeroom who say "we've just got to play our game" or "they're a good team", they rarely mean it, but you're not going to get blunt answers on interviews like that.
- keaner17

There is nothing wrong with "hoping for more" and there is nothing for anyone to be "ashamed" of for doing so. That's like calling someone stupid for believing Snow's 5 year plan. Well he can't be judged but you're an idiot for believing his plan? He's a genius and promised the fanbase for a competing team in 5 years. If Snow's plan actually worked he can say he's a genius for believing in it and if it doesn't well you're a moron for actually thinking it was only going to take 5 years, more like ten. See what I did there? That's a LetsGoIsles tatic, you're damned if you do dammed if you don't and he has hedged his bet in the process. Little does he know no one gives a shat. There are/has been plenty of GM's that are not full of shat when they interview. You're entitled to your opinion or lack there of for that matter on judging Snow. I feel I can judge Snow on his results, not his interview. Like i said in my last post I commented on his interview that's it, I wasn't expecting anything less from this clown. Him owning up to things that need to be addressed or fixed? Never. Blaringly bad problems with his defense, goaltending, his whole team? Never. Where you're getting i was expecting anything less i have no idea? I commented on it and you ran with it. Snow is a clown and an horrible GM. His drafting which some of you(not saying you in particular)think is incredible for some unkown reason is questionable at best. In five years his "rebuild" has shown nothing, maybe even taking step backwards? This team sucks, has more holes than maybe any Islander team ever and that says alot, thats after 5 years of picking in the top five mind you. I'll judge him on this not his interview. Let the interview go already there are more things to be upset about and stop insinuating I'm expecting something different or I'm crazy(doing the same thing comment...). You guys keep going with your next year is the year notion and I'll keep calling you crazy. The only thing that will fix this team is either Wang selling and the new owners telling Snow to (frank) off or Wang deciding to spend money, get rid of Snow, and let someone with half a brain and some experience and respect run his hockey team. Anything less and these same guys will be saying every year for the next 5 Snow has to spend when in reality he doesn't, he'll just fill the roster with more fodder. One of these years these guys might even be right? The same people say it every year on here and every year those same peole are wrong and deny ever saying it, hysterical.SOS EVERY year.

But dont you think its insane that we have to "assume" he knows and wont admit it. We shouldnt have to assume anything, we should be confident enough in our GM that he 100% knows.
- Dedshark

Exactly That's what makes him a bad GM, the fact that NOBODY knows he is doing his best with anything?

But dont you think its insane that we have to "assume" he knows and wont admit it. We shouldnt have to assume anything, we should be confident enough in our GM that he 100% knows.
- Dedshark

I don't think anyone could be confident about anything regarding this franchise and that's due to a rep that started even before we knew the names Wang and Snow.

Exactly
- Cptmjl

I knew you were gonna love that comment haha. Right up your alley hahah

I don't think anyone could be confident about anything regarding this franchise and that's due to a rep that started even before we knew the names Wang and Snow.
- keaner17

You are right there but we are'nt talking about pre Wang and Snow. We are talking about them.

The point is you don't waste time outs especially for this team that can't hold a lead. As we found out later in the third when it could've been used when Tavares could'nt catch his breath with 2 minutes left. Did it decide the game, almost definitely not but it was a bush league stupid thing to do none the less, thats the point. Also if you think we lost that game bcs of Poulin idk what to say. He let in a softy and was far from spectacular but this team served it up to the Canes with 5 minutes left in the second and kept giving it to them in the third, it was disgraceful
- Cptmjl

Maybe cappy sensed his team was shot and wanted that 3-0 lead. There are plenty of reasons to get on our coach, that isn't one of them

I don't know what either looks like but the idea of two of them sitting accross from the table silently drinking a beer and staring back at eachother....
- keaner17

What did I miss today lol

There is nothing wrong with "hoping for more" and there is nothing for anyone to be "ashamed" of for doing so. That's like calling someone stupid for believing Snow's 5 year plan. Well he can't be judged but you're an idiot for believing his plan? He's a genius and promised the fanbase for a competing team in 5 years. If Snow's plan actually worked he can say he's a genius for believing in it and if it doesn't well you're a moron for actually thinking it was only going to take 5 years, more like ten. See what I did there? That's a LetsGoIsles tatic, you're damned if you do dammed if you don't and he has hedged his bet in the process. Little does he know no one gives a shat. There are/has been plenty of GM's that are not full of shat when they interview. You're entitled to your opinion or lack there of for that matter on judging Snow. I feel I can judge Snow on his results, not his interview. Like i said in my last post I commented on his interview that's it, I wasn't expecting anything less from this clown. Him owning up to things that need to be addressed or fixed? Never. Blaringly bad problems with his defense, goaltending, his whole team? Never. Where you're getting i was expecting anything less i have no idea? I commented on it and you ran with it. Snow is a clown and an horrible GM. His drafting which some of you(not saying you in particular)think is incredible for some unkown reason is questionable at best. In five years his "rebuild" has shown nothing, maybe even taking step backwards? This team sucks, has more holes than maybe any Islander team ever and that says alot, thats after 5 years of picking in the top five mind you. I'll judge him on this not his interview. Let the interview go already there are more things to be upset about and stop insinuating I'm expecting something different or I'm crazy(doing the same thing comment...). You guys keep going with your next year is the year notion and I'll keep calling you crazy. The only thing that will fix this team is either Wang selling and the new owners telling Snow to (frank) off or Wang deciding to spend money, get rid of Snow, and let someone with half a brain and some experience and respect run his hockey team. Anything less and these same guys will be saying every year for the next 5 Snow has to spend when in reality he doesn't, he'll just fill the roster with more fodder. One of these years these guys might even be right? The same people say it every year on here and every year those same peole are wrong and deny ever saying it, hysterical.SOS EVERY year.
- Cptmjl

I think based on the overall outrage over the interview that's self explanatory. You're a highly emotional fan, which I get and am as well. I just don't hit as many peaks and valleys as you seem to on here. For every rant you throw on here you seem to also have decent moments of clarity. That's the nature of an abused fan. I get and relate to that.
I think Snow is an easy target considering the state of this franchise and he deserves plenty of venom simply because that's the chair he sits in. That said, and as I've mentioned before, the people who damned him from the beginning because he stepped off the ice and into the office don't seem to be too aware of where a fair amount of NHL GM's came from.
I've said all along that when considering Garth and the issues that surround this franchise, I score him a "C-" . I don't think his draft record is THAT bad, though I think moves like Bailey left me befuddled. I don't think many GM's would have done too well with ownership that's working on a dollarday budget in a venue that's a couple of tremors from collapsing.

Overall, I don't think anyone should pay attention to a word Garth says at this point because I think there are too many negative factors behind the scenes to expect any shred of unfiltered content. His record is mixed. At one Million, Boyes wasn't a bad signing. At this stage he's on pace for 65 points. Moulson was a great signing. Grabner, great signing. The Hickey move looks okay thus far. Overall, the Streit signing was a good one. The Viz trade was a good one. Rolo, Nabby, PA Parenteau, Strait, drafting Hamonic, Martin... Then there's bad moves like Bailey, Rolston, Reasoner etc. Point is, that considering the joke this franchise has become which long predated Snow, he hasn't exactly had an easy climate to work with. No GM in the NHL has faced the adversity he has.

I don't know if he is a good GM or not because he's had NOTHING to work with.

Come one. Snow is a drafting genius man!
- Cptmjl

The isles fired trottier a few years ago as the player development director. If you're going to build through the draft, which most of us agree was the right way to go 6 years ago, then you need to have smart people in place to help these kids grow. Not like trottier wasn't one of the best two way players of all time who had 5 cups.

It's moves like that which have pissed me off more than anything else they have or haven't done. Same with capuano. Seems like a great guy who cares about the franchise but he isn't the best option. Look at Montreal with therrian

You are right there but we are'nt talking about pre Wang and Snow. We are talking about them.
- Cptmjl

But it's all relative. This team has been a joke for the better part of 18 years! Listen to some of Milbury's stories Pre Wang of the crazy stuff ownership would do financially. Milbury arguably left this franchise in worst shape than any GM in the NHL's modern era.

Like I say, I can't say Snow is doing a good or bad job. It's like judging the performance of muscle car that's been filled up with 87!

Correct...then the question becomes...what does it take via trade to get a legit powerplay qb defenseman capable of playing top 4 minutes? That's why resigning Streit (and I've been one of his biggest critics) might be a must.
- keaner17

Think about how much wade redden was wanted after being exiled for two years by the rangers. He got offers from 10 teams and he completely sucks ass. I agree. Streit needs to be signed. He's still very good on the pp and has been better this year than last year over all

Think about how much wade redden was wanted after being exiled for two years by the rangers. He got offers from 10 teams and he completely sucks ass. I agree. Streit needs to be signed. He's still very good on the pp and has been better this year than last year over all
- Isles316

True, but he was a UFA (Redden). Point taken in terms of demand though. If the Isles were able to convince Viz to stick around, I'd say Streit was expendable, but we all know that's not likely to happen. So until we actually have a viable replacement on the pp, Streit needs to remain...defensively inept or not.

What did I miss today lol
- Isles316

Capt and LGI had a breakthrough moment.

Boyes is presently the answer...like it or not. That's also the reason you're not going to have Garth saying "we need a 1st line power forward" because then he's essentially saying to Boyes that he's not good enough for the job. He may know that and want to make a trade, but don't expect him to say that publically. Boyes is a 1 year plug, an attempt to find another Moulson. Weight suggested bringing him in so they did it.
If Garth truly thinks we don't need an upgrade on that line then he's wrong, but I think it's way too internet messageboard of everyone to assume he's some chump who can't see the truth. The problem everyone has is that he won't ADMIT it. And THAT is my point. No GM is going to admit that given the present state of the franchise.
- keaner17

Boyes is actually producing more than I thought he would. I agree with this comment 100%.

It's funny, I think howie is still pissed at snow. Just listening to the mets on the radio and he brought up how one of the guys on the nationals (Hoffman) was drafted in 2003 by Minnesota. "Hey if this baseball thing doesn't work out, Hoffman can play with Tavares and Moulson and be the power forward they need."

Classic

True, but he was a UFA (Redden). Point taken in terms of demand though. If the Isles were able to convince Viz to stick around, I'd say Streit was expendable, but we all know that's not likely to happen. So until we actually have a viable replacement on the pp, Streit needs to remain...defensively inept or not.
- keaner17

Playoffs here we come with Captain Mark Streit.

Playoffs here we come with Captain Mark Streit.
- ses111

I don't like it any better than you....but I'd rather hear 'Streit on the powerplay" than, Andy MacDonald

Boyes is actually producing more than I thought he would. I agree with this comment 100%.

It's funny, I think howie is still pissed at snow. Just listening to the mets on the radio and he brought up how one of the guys on the nationals (Hoffman) was drafted in 2003 by Minnesota. "Hey if this baseball thing doesn't work out, Hoffman can play with Tavares and Moulson and be the power forward they need."

Classic
- Isles316

I'm no fan of Howie but I love it.

Boyes is actually producing more than I thought he would. I agree with this comment 100%.

It's funny, I think howie is still pissed at snow. Just listening to the mets on the radio and he brought up how one of the guys on the nationals (Hoffman) was drafted in 2003 by Minnesota. "Hey if this baseball thing doesn't work out, Hoffman can play with Tavares and Moulson and be the power forward they need."
Classic
- Isles316

That's AWESOME! Howie's days may be numbered.

I don't like it any better than you....but I'd rather hear 'Streit on the powerplay" than, Andy MacDonald
- keaner17

I might as well prepare for bringing most of the same scrubs back on this team next year. This offseason we will hear how there were no good UFA 's for the Isles to sign.

That's AWESOME! Howie's days may be numbered.
- keaner17

I like howie. He is certainly a bit of clown or dork but he does a nice job. He is also the first person in the media in the last two years to actually ask Garth snow and real question and stick to his guns when he got a softball answer.

I think based on the overall outrage over the interview that's self explanatory. You're a highly emotional fan, which I get and am as well. I just don't hit as many peaks and valleys as you seem to on here. For every rant you throw on here you seem to also have decent moments of clarity. That's the nature of an abused fan. I get and relate to that.
I think Snow is an easy target considering the state of this franchise and he deserves plenty of venom simply because that's the chair he sits in. That said, and as I've mentioned before, the people who damned him from the beginning because he stepped off the ice and into the office don't seem to be too aware of where a fair amount of NHL GM's came from.
I've said all along that when considering Garth and the issues that surround this franchise, I score him a "C-" . I don't think his draft record is THAT bad, though I think moves like Bailey left me befuddled. I don't think many GM's would have done too well with ownership that's working on a dollarday budget in a venue that's a couple of tremors from collapsing.

Overall, I don't think anyone should pay attention to a word Garth says at this point because I think there are too many negative factors behind the scenes to expect any shred of unfiltered content. His record is mixed. At one Million, Boyes wasn't a bad signing. At this stage he's on pace for 65 points. Moulson was a great signing. Grabner, great signing. The Hickey move looks okay thus far. Overall, the Streit signing was a good one. The Viz trade was a good one. Rolo, Nabby, PA Parenteau, Strait, drafting Hamonic, Martin... Then there's bad moves like Bailey, Rolston, Reasoner etc. Point is, that considering the joke this franchise has become which long predated Snow, he hasn't exactly had an easy climate to work with. No GM in the NHL has faced the adversity he has.

I don't know if he is a good GM or not because he's had NOTHING to work with.
- keaner17

I do think this is one of the best and honest comments ive read in a long time. you put aside your personal feelings about the team sucking the passed few years. This is my OPINION...but i feel as if the Lubo and Rolston trades were simply for cap hits, and has nothing to do with talent, what so ever. Same exact thing with Tim Thomas. Whether Snow wanted to make these trades or not because of Wang, we do not necessarily know. But he is the GM and when it comes down to it, he is the one who makes the trade, and should be viewed negatively for them.

A lot of people also need to consider the rotating door of poor coaches. On top of that, Snow has fired numerous valuable staff. The one that bothered me the most was letting go of Jankowski (I think that was his name, the amateur scout that was scooped up by montreal in literally a day). Whether or not Snow MADE those decisions is somewhat unknown, but when it comes down to it, hes the GM and those were poor decisions. Hes the one in the position that has to take fault for them even if Wang was the one who decided to do that.

As Cpt has pointed out, he promised a cup contending team in 5 years, and they team has not made any progress towards that goal. Some arguements can be made that he has made progress, but it is MINIMAL at best.

I like howie. He is certainly a bit of clown or dork but he does a nice job. He is also the first person in the media in the last two years to actually ask Garth snow and real question and stick to his guns when he got a softball answer.
- Isles316

His comment last year "is it baseball season yet" or something like that was great. I don't mind Howie. I know a lot of people don't like him. I feel sorry for Butchie because he has no business being a color commentator. That said, I'm one of the few who didn't like Jaffe either. I got tired of how Jaffe never liked to let it be known when the Isles were getting screwed. As much as I gripe about other teams announcers being so biased, I could have used a bit more bias from Billy.

I do think this is one of the best and honest comments ive read in a long time. you put aside your personal feelings about the team sucking the passed few years. This is my OPINION...but i feel as if the Lubo and Rolston trades were simply for cap hits, and has nothing to do with talent, what so ever. Same exact thing with Tim Thomas. Whether Snow wanted to make these trades or not because of Wang, we do not necessarily know. But he is the GM and when it comes down to it, he is the one who makes the trade, and should be viewed negatively for them.

A lot of people also need to consider the rotating door of poor coaches. On top of that, Snow has fired numerous valuable staff. The one that bothered me the most was letting go of Jankowski (I think that was his name, the amateur scout that was scooped up by montreal in literally a day). Whether or not Snow MADE those decisions is somewhat unknown, but when it comes down to it, hes the GM and those were poor decisions. Hes the one in the position that has to take fault for them even if Wang was the one who decided to do that.

As Cpt has pointed out, he promised a cup contending team in 5 years, and they team has not made any progress towards that goal. Some arguements can be made that he has made progress, but it is MINIMAL at best.
- Dedshark

And if Wang will truly not let Snow do anything Snow should quit. Snow wants to stay in the job he has to take the hit.