Wasn't his goal and job to win a Stanley Cup? A low seed playoff team doesn't vindicate Burke. He was suppose to be able to do much, much more than that.
- Two_For_Truth

Time will tell

- Two_For_Truth

I pegged you as more of a knitting kind of guy but crocheting makes sense too.

Good on Burke for moving on. The team that has played so well so far this season is one he constructed and has promise going forward. It's very possible his tenure will be vindicated in hindsight.
- Zezel

Hopefully he does not become GM

Wasn't his goal and job to win a Stanley Cup? A low seed playoff team doesn't vindicate Burke. He was suppose to be able to do much, much more than that.
- Two_For_Truth

Here's the funny thing, though: if Guy Incognito had taken over the Leafs and had done the exact same thing, you'd probably be (begrudgingly) giving the guy his props for slowly, surely building up the entire organization.

But Burke himself set the bar much higher. He wasn't interested in a five-year rebuild.

Well, if that's what you want us to judge you by...

Contrary to your post above, I'm not actually gay. But I am a Leafs fan, and it's practically the same thing.

We are made fun of by idiots.

At times, we even fear violence by the truly stupid (Flyers fans).

We are constantly asked why we don't just switch teams (are you really this stupid? I didn't choose to be a Leafs fan - I was born this way).

For a long time, we felt safest in bars around Church Street.

There's one major difference, though, which actually makes being gay better than being a Leafs fan:

Every year, they get a parade.
- Atomic Wedgie

Legendary post...

Here's the funny thing, though: if Guy Incognito had taken over the Leafs and had done the exact same thing, you'd probably be (begrudgingly) giving the guy his props for slowly, surely building up the entire organization.

But Burke himself set the bar much higher. He wasn't interested in a five-year rebuild.

Well, if that's what you want us to judge you by...
- Atomic Wedgie

One of my favorite Burke moments: when he called out Leafs fans for booing Phaneuf.

I thought that took real guts. And, honestly, he was 100% right.

Sorry, Leafs Nation, but we lost any credibility we might have had to assess the talent of D-men a long time ago.

Anyone know what it takes to have a team removed from the NHL? I'm sick of the Canucks.

Here's the funny thing, though: if Guy Incognito had taken over the Leafs and had done the exact same thing, you'd probably be (begrudgingly) giving the guy his props for slowly, surely building up the entire organization.
- Atomic Wedgie

If a different guy, did the exact same thing, it still wouldn't be "prop" worthy because it didn't start off as a slowly but surely rebuild. It was a gross miscalculation of talent and a short cut that robbed this team of a proper foundation. Whether it was Burke or anybody else who did it, it was still a massive mistake that will continue to haunt this franchise for years.

But Burke himself set the bar much higher. He wasn't interested in a five-year rebuild.

Well, if that's what you want us to judge you by...

Burke did himself no favors with his self-generated hype machine on full blast.

If a different guy, did the exact same thing, it still wouldn't be "prop" worthy because it didn't start off as a slowly but surely rebuild. It was a gross miscalculation of talent and a short cut that robbed this team of a proper foundation. Whether it was Burke or anybody else who did it, it was still a massive mistake that will continue to haunt this franchise for years.



Burke did himself no favors with his self-generated hype machine on full blast.
- Two_For_Truth

To my dying days, I'll always maintain:

If you subtract the Kessel deal, Burke was a great GM for the Leafs.

But you can't subtract the Kessel deal.

Miller has a 28-4-1 record against the Leafs

that is stupid crazy

To my dying days, I'll always maintain:

If you subtract the Kessel deal, Burke was a great GM for the Leafs.

But you can't subtract the Kessel deal.
- Atomic Wedgie

Even with the Kessel deal he was a good GM for the Leafs....he just needed to stay out of the media.

Even with the Kessel deal he was a good GM for the Leafs....he just needed to stay out of the media.
- Fakepartofme

I see what you did there.

To my dying days, I'll always maintain:

If you subtract the Kessel deal, Burke was a great GM for the Leafs.

But you can't subtract the Kessel deal.
- Atomic Wedgie

We lost a trade. It happens. As much as I'd like to throw that one on Burkes back, I'd have to say that he was a good GM. Kessels a great player, so is Gardiner, Phaneuf, JVR, Lups, Franson, and surprisingly Frattin and Kadri.

To my dying days, I'll always maintain:

If you subtract the Kessel deal, Burke was a great GM for the Leafs.

But you can't subtract the Kessel deal.
- Atomic Wedgie

the Kessel Deal was a calculated risk that brought a legit sniper to town....ahhh fak never mind ........

To my dying days, I'll always maintain:

If you subtract the Kessel deal, Burke was a great GM for the Leafs.

But you can't subtract the Kessel deal.
- Atomic Wedgie

Who cares ? One bad trade and we still have a young sniper out of it

To my dying days, I'll always maintain:

If you subtract the Kessel deal, Burke was a great GM for the Leafs.

But you can't subtract the Kessel deal.
- Atomic Wedgie

No, unfortunately, you can't. Hopefully, Nonis can correct that mistake. But odds are he won't and we have to wait for the next rebuild to get things done right. And one would still have to hope that they take a careful look at history and avoid making the same mistakes.

Burkie telling off steve simmons was pretty awesome too. I think cherry nailed it, if burke had changed coaches sooner he would still be around, but he didnt. The team so far this year looks like what burke was talking about. It will be interesting to see how burkes picks develop. imo his twnure cant be fully evaluated yet.

No, unfortunately, you can't. Hopefully, Nonis can correct that mistake. But odds are he won't and we have to wait for the next rebuild to get things done right. And one would still have to hope that they take a careful look at history and avoid making the same mistakes.
- Two_For_Truth

So according to the Gospel of Uggie, you don't want to finish 8th, just to get bounced in the first round.

But what if the Habs finished first?

We lost a trade. It happens. As much as I'd like to throw that one on Burkes back, I'd have to say that he was a good GM. Kessels a great player, so is Gardiner, Phaneuf, JVR, Lups, Franson, and surprisingly Frattin and Kadri.
- Compeyson

Why is he in there?

But what if the Habs finished first?
- Atomic Wedgie

You misspelled Bruins.

You misspelled Bruins.
- Two_For_Truth

I dare ya to copy and paste that in the habs thread

Why is he in there?
- AdamFrench

I sometimes feel like you're here lurking just to pounce on our mistakes.
PS. Weber is looking great now, good thing I don't let my hockey pool decisions get influenced by my feelings about players. He's saving me now that Karlson is hurt.

I dare ya to copy and paste that in the habs thread
- JIMI-JAMES

Even Habs fans have to know they aren't going to win the East. Or the division.

I sometimes feel like you're here lurking just to pounce on our mistakes.
PS. Weber is looking great now, good thing I don't let my hockey pool decisions get influenced by my feelings about players. He's saving me now that Karlson is hurt.
- mykokes

OEL fell to me in the last round...

So according to the Gospel of Uggie, you don't want to finish 8th, just to get bounced in the first round.

But what if the Habs finished first?
- Atomic Wedgie

The Leafs get bounced and we NEVER hear the end of it from the RelentaHabs fanbase...ever...