Could end up in a job similar to that of Sillinger or Carriere.
- longbottom

I really don't know what those guys do. Wasn't Sillinger a center? We seem to have a lot of issues at center.

Speaking of Smyth. He is 37 today so maybe he will play well tonight. 1g 1a?
- heh49314

Hopefully.

Side note, again Konopka HS.

Still think we win tonight... wonder how long until the wild pick up ruff to be their coach?
- saskoil21

I'm liking Kreuger but wouldn't have minded this option in the summer.

I really don't know what those guys do. Wasn't Sillinger a center? We seem to have a lot of issues at center.
- Lahey

Both are in Player developement. Carriere took over from Billy Moores.

Only you Richie! Would think that Edmonton is in a position to make trades for top players/prospects all without having to give up a single one of their own top players or prospects and/or picks! Classic! I realize you're spoiled by getting the last 3 number one picks in a row as well as signing much sought after Justin Schultz, but maybe the Oilers should just tank for another 6 to 7 years in an attempt to round out their entire line up with number one overalls at every position?!

Both are in Player developement. Carriere took over from Billy Moores.
- longbottom

Can one of them develop our guys on faceoffs? I mean (frank), how hard is it to win a faceoff? Goons with no real skill are better than what we have.

I really don't know what those guys do. Wasn't Sillinger a center? We seem to have a lot of issues at center.
- Lahey

He was but he has been dealing with guys like VV and lower.

He was but he has been dealing with guys like VV and lower.
- longbottom

Well I can't see why he couldn't work with both clubs.

So out of curiosity, I slapped together a roster, assuming that all of the players in the Outbox could be turned into the Inbox

Hall-Nuge-Eberle
Kreider-O'Reilly-Yakupov
Nino-Goc-Stewart
Hartikainen-Girgensons-Petrell

Bouwmeester-Johnson
Justin Schultz-Jeff Schultz
Petry-Fistric.

Dubnyk

Some notes:
a) we couldn't ship out what we shipped out and get all this, but keep pretending.
b) The d gets more experienced, but the forwards actually get less experienced.
c) add more physicality, but losing Hemsky and Gagner actually decreases offensive production
d) 2013 has paydays for Nuge, Nino, Justin Schultz, Kreider, Goc, Bouwmeester, Dubnyk, Schultz and Petry, Lander, and more depending on what we'd re-sign Harti, PJ, Petrell, Fistric, O'Reilly and Stewart to this summer.
e) On the bright side, Klefbom, McNeill and Pajaarvi aren't even on this roster, so we could withstand a player or two moving on from these "never going to happen" Oilers

Do you guys looks at that bunch of supposedly ideal candidates, shipping out the old, and see a better roster now or in the future than what we could have with a more conservative approach?

Only you Richie! Would think that Edmonton is in a position to make trades for top players/prospects all without having to give up a single one of their own top players or prospects and/or picks! Classic!
- MnGump

That is cause he is Oilers blogger. Esplen for example would do same thing for Canucks. There are a few on this site that do this type of thing.

So out of curiosity, I slapped together a roster, assuming that all of the players in the Outbox could be turned into the Inbox

Hall-Nuge-Eberle
Kreider-O'Reilly-Yakupov
Nino-Goc-Stewart
Hartikainen-Girgensons-Petrell

Bouwmeester-Johnson
Justin Schultz-Jeff Schultz
Petry-Fistric.

Dubnyk

Some notes:
a) we couldn't ship out what we shipped out and get all this, but keep pretending.
b) The d gets more experienced, but the forwards actually get less experienced.
c) add more physicality, but losing Hemsky and Gagner actually decreases offensive production
d) 2013 has paydays for Nuge, Nino, Justin Schultz, Kreider, Goc, Bouwmeester, Dubnyk, Schultz and Petry, Lander, and more depending on what we'd re-sign Harti, PJ, Petrell, Fistric, O'Reilly and Stewart to this summer.
e) On the bright side, Klefbom, McNeill and Pajaarvi aren't even on this roster, so we could withstand a player or two moving on from these "never going to happen" Oilers

Do you guys looks at that bunch of supposedly ideal candidates, shipping out the old, and see a better roster now or in the future than what we could have with a more conservative approach?
- Morris

I think that roster is better because you actually have 4 d-men that would make a pretty decent top 4.

Your forwards are bigger and more rounded.

So in short that lineup is better, but no where near reality.

I'm liking Kreuger but wouldn't have minded this option in the summer.
- Salvo

Same here...

So out of curiosity, I slapped together a roster, assuming that all of the players in the Outbox could be turned into the Inbox

Hall-Nuge-Eberle
Kreider-O'Reilly-Yakupov
Nino-Goc-Stewart
Hartikainen-Girgensons-Petrell

Bouwmeester-Johnson
Justin Schultz-Jeff Schultz
Petry-Fistric.

Dubnyk

Some notes:
a) we couldn't ship out what we shipped out and get all this, but keep pretending.
b) The d gets more experienced, but the forwards actually get less experienced.
c) add more physicality, but losing Hemsky and Gagner actually decreases offensive production
d) 2013 has paydays for Nuge, Nino, Justin Schultz, Kreider, Goc, Bouwmeester, Dubnyk, Schultz and Petry, Lander, and more depending on what we'd re-sign Harti, PJ, Petrell, Fistric, O'Reilly and Stewart to this summer.
e) On the bright side, Klefbom, McNeill and Pajaarvi aren't even on this roster, so we could withstand a player or two moving on from these "never going to happen" Oilers

Do you guys looks at that bunch of supposedly ideal candidates, shipping out the old, and see a better roster now or in the future than what we could have with a more conservative approach?
- Morris

What does ROR give you over Gagner?
He is 1" taller, 1lb heavyer and a (frank) of a lot less consistent.

I think that roster is better because you actually have 4 d-men that would make a pretty decent top 4.

Your forwards are bigger and more rounded.

So in short that lineup is better, but no where near reality.
- Lahey

Yeah D is definitely better.

The big thing about most of those guys is getting them now sets up a pretty small window imo. We've done a good job spacing our contracts, and we're not going to be a cup run team next year and probably not the year after that, so creating a Hawks-style payday is shortsighted.

Obviously Clouts wasn't saying 'go and get every player on this list' (for one, he listed like 5 centres). I do think one trade might help, but I feel like preparing to open our wallets this summer might be a better strategy.

Yeah D is definitely better.

The big thing about most of those guys is getting them now sets up a pretty small window imo. We've done a good job spacing our contracts, and we're not going to be a cup run team next year and probably not the year after that, so creating a Hawks-style payday is shortsighted.

Obviously Clouts wasn't saying 'go and get every player on this list' (for one, he listed like 5 centres). I do think one trade might help, but I feel like preparing to open our wallets this summer might be a better strategy.
- Morris

If only Hall had a little more Toews and a little less Hall.

EDIT: Little segue way here: Indeed there a different methods to glory but I think Chicago IS a great model for this team and seeing the way they non-stop attack on offense with confidence is exactly where I hope Hall/Ebs/Nuge/Gags/Yaku get to.

Buyouts

To start the year my opinion was we probably weren't buying Horc out, unless we needed cap space or if he played good awful. So far I bring him back as I don't think Katz wants to waste the money on a buyout.

I had other guys on the hot seat, Belanger, Potter, Eager.

Those guys are smaller end guys that really don't mean much either way, but if they sucked and were beat by kids there was a chance we simply bought them out.

Right now Belanger has a job or is tradeable. Eager continues to play the way he did and you won't have to buy him out, someone would want him via trade.

Potter, if still around you buy him out.

I also had Dubnyk as a longshot. Reasoning was if we got Lou or someone else or if Dubnyk completely poops the bed then you might buy him out. It was huge longshot, but a very unlikely one.

Finally Smyth, I can't remember what I said on him but I don't think we buy him out regardless. I think he either finds his game and is back, or is forced into retirement. If cap space is an issue with Smyth on the books you trade him to Long Island like Thomas.
- Lahey

Compliance buyouts that happen as soon as the season ends will be for locker room cancers and guys that are damaging to the team. I'll say right off the bat that we're not going to buy out anyone on day one.

Clouts has this idea that Horcoff HAS to go, but a team would be downright foolish to buyout a role player without a good idea of someone to fill his role. IE Horcoff will only get bought out if we first sign a replacement for cheap, and we happen to be way over the cap. Otherwise, it'll be at least another year with Captain Husky eyes.

At least that's my two cents. Tambs should be fired if a team this bad at faceoffs compliance buyouts one or both of our bottom 6 centres and only THEN starts shopping, or worse, gives Lander/VV the job.

What does ROR give you over Gagner?
He is 1" taller, 1lb heavyer and a (frank) of a lot less consistent.
- longbottom

He's as inconsistent offensively as Gagner is defensively. But he's also better offensively than Gagner is defensively. Not saying that will always be the case, and I think we could keep Gagner and add a Winger to address our size issues, but I understand why people are tempted by ROR.

Only you Richie! Would think that Edmonton is in a position to make trades for top players/prospects all without having to give up a single one of their own top players or prospects and/or picks! Classic! I realize you're spoiled by getting the last 3 number one picks in a row as well as signing much sought after Justin Schultz, but maybe the Oilers should just tank for another 6 to 7 years in an attempt to round out their entire line up with number one overalls at every position?!
- MnGump

your team is the Wild, stfu and gtfo

If only Hall had a little more Toews and a little less Hall.
- Salvo

I don't think our bottom 6 gets pushed around too too much. I don't think our defense does either. We just don't have much functional toughness in the top 6 - heck, anywhere in the roster. Hall's not a primo dangler, but he's really one of the most balanced forwards on our roster.

He's as inconsistent offensively as Gagner is defensively. But he's also better offensively than Gagner is defensively. Not saying that will always be the case, and I think we could keep Gagner and add a Winger to address our size issues, but I understand why people are tempted by ROR.
- Morris

I don't really the guy either wants to be traded or 5m a season. He plays less physical than Gags. I think it's the fact that again Gags ig underrated at center since he has improved his defense every season and his FO%.

EDIT: Little segue way here: Indeed there a different methods to glory but I think Chicago IS a great model for this team and seeing the way they non-stop attack on offense with confidence is exactly where I hope Hall/Ebs/Nuge/Gags/Yaku get to.
- Salvo

Yeah, now the question of who the sixth person is. I really think we're one player away (and some physical/mental growth) from having a dynamo top 6. Although it should be noted that the person going hardest to the net last game was Hemsky. dude was trying to concuss Quick I think

I don't really the guy either wants to be traded or 5m a season. He plays less physical than Gags. I think it's the fact that again Gags ig underrated at center since he has improved his defense every season and his FO%.
- longbottom

I love Gags and want to keep him. I was just doing an experiment using Cloutier's trade targets and his expendables.

From what I heard yes. As for Peckham being OKC's best d-man, I heard the same but he better be at this point in his career.

Also Corky back Saturday.
- Lahey

Is Corky Horcoff?

I don't think our bottom 6 gets pushed around too too much. I don't think our defense does either. We just don't have much functional toughness in the top 6 - heck, anywhere in the roster. Hall's not a primo dangler, but he's really one of the most balanced forwards on our roster.
- Morris

Oh forsure but Hall doesn't seem to quite possess the hockey IQ of Toews at least at this juncture.

To each there own development - Toews was a pretty quick revelation: clutch, savvy, intelligent, passionate.

Oh forsure but Hall doesn't seem to quite possess the hockey IQ of Toews at least at this juncture.

To each there own development - Toews was a pretty quick revelation: clutch, savvy, intelligent, passionate.
- Salvo

Toews might be one of my favourite players in the league. Smart like Gagner was touted to be, but with wayy better athletic tools to pull it off and a flair for the dramatic. Kind of like a Hall-Gags-Eberle hybrid