A couple. Literally though. The game in Carolina and last night in Tampa, two utter disappointments.
- A_Tree

Agreed but folks talking about getting rid of Scrivens & looking to sell the future of O'Reilly is silly...

It is two bad games in a stretch where the Leafs won 6 of 8

When he used syrup as lube. Ow.
- sanfordnson

Hey nice jinx yesterday.

You're lucky the Oil are so talented, it gives you a great perspective around the NHL.

As a Hab fan, don't you mean "goaler".

First place - how did that happen?

I think the Habs should give credit to the Leafs for their unselfish acts of inspiration and motivation. As a thank you, give us the next game too.
- Your_Mom

Boston's been on vacation

Boston's been on vacation
- Feeling Glucky?

Condensed schedule my ass.

Hey nice jinx yesterday.

You're lucky the Oil are so talented, it gives you a great perspective around the NHL.
- A_Tree

Wieh I could turn my powers towards good.

Kadri definitely wont get injured this year.

I find it funny how many people have a hard on for this guy....

The price is way to high.. they asked NYR for two roster players, a prospect, & a 1st rounder...Yet so many people who complained about paying Grabo 5 mil a year after a few 50+ point seasons.. want to give a guy with only one 50 pt season.. a 5 mil contract.

Hey I am with most if you can get rid of Grabo's 5 mil contract I would do it.. but I won't give up on future picks and prospects to get a guy who has at most second line prospects.
- DoctorNHL

Source?

No hard on just an upgrade from Bozak. I think Bozak is over valued, he's a third line center maybe second at best who plays on a line with two good players. Honestly I would switch bozak and Kadri around. Can't imagine what kind of looks Phil would have if he had Kadri drawing attention then dishing it off
- iTOLDu

Kadri is not ready for first line duty... his face off skills are still weak... his defensive zone coverage is getting better but still needs some seasoning... and he still makes errant passes entering the zone that end up losing possession too quickly.

#rd line is perfect at the moment.

Bozak wins a ton of face-offs and works hard... is on pace to have a decent season.. and you want to sell the farm to get ROR whose best season was a 50 pointer... come on...

just a little reality check here folks...

Grabovski: yes he is my lover, but lets keep in mind Grabovski has 4 goals. Kessel has 3 goals...just because his line has had a slow start - you dont just throw away your best forward in the last 3 years because of it. Yes he was better than Kessel overall, and often pushed kessel to keep it going, and also was basically the heart and soul of games vs boston and montreal.

I admit, hes gotta step it up a notch, but getting that goal last night, if i know Grabovski, and i do; he's streaky...expect him to heat up now.

and as i said before, the guys playing with 2nd/3rd line tweeners vs all the #1 lines of the opposition. Hes minus 1. Hes got 5 years left on his deal and is a versatile forward, so lets stfu about the trading of him and buy out of him, because its plain stupid, and wont happen.

thank you for reading lol.
- big_dion

I have often felt that a big part of Grabo's internal drive is the result of a self imposed competition with Kessel. I really do think that as Kessel starts putting up more numbers in the Goal column, that Grabo will follow suit.

Also, I think he needs a new stick, or glasses...he has proven to have a pretty accurate shot in the past, but this year is firing way off target. Even worse than No. 3....not sure if you can get much worse than that.

Source?
- The Law

I believe it was MacKenzie on TSN but can't remember exactly.. it was one of the analysts on the top two stations...

I think some people are mistaking wins for having played well. imo the Leafs didn't play well against Ottawa or Florida - it just happens that those teams are poopy. Not saying they are awful and/or that it needs to be blown up - but there is definitely some room for some changes.

I think some people are mistaking wins for having played well. imo the Leafs didn't play well against Ottawa or Florida - it just happens that those teams are poopy. Not saying they are awful and/or that it needs to be blown up - but there is definitely some room for some changes.
- BlowMonkey

When they play Carlyle's system properly they will stay in games and win after not performing well for most of it...

That is the point.. fire wagon hockey... was hurled out of town with Wilson for a reason.. they all attacked and we lost games...

I think some people are mistaking wins for having played well. imo the Leafs didn't play well against Ottawa or Florida - it just happens that those teams are poopy. Not saying they are awful and/or that it needs to be blown up - but there is definitely some room for some changes.
- BlowMonkey

Also any game that is a shut out... is a good game... it means the team shut down the other team.. PERIOD

I believe it was MacKenzie on TSN but can't remember exactly.. it was one of the analysts on the top two stations...
- DoctorNHL

I have to assume you're misquoting them. Dreger said a roster player and a top prospect was the asking price. There was a rumour they wanted Del Zotto out of the Gers'.

Sherman's not stupid ...he knows J. Staal (a similar but much more accomplished player) just went for Sutter and a high pick (Pouliot) so if he is going to move him it'll be for something less than that.

When they play Carlyle's system properly they will stay in games and win after not performing well for most of it...

That is the point.. fire wagon hockey... was hurled out of town with Wilson for a reason.. they all attacked and we lost games...
- DoctorNHL

not playing well and being outshot is an interesting methodology I guess I'll have to see how it pans out for the Leafs. It wasn't how it was done when the ducks won the cup but I guess Carlyle is evolving as a coach.

I have often felt that a big part of Grabo's internal drive is the result of a self imposed competition with Kessel. I really do think that as Kessel starts putting up more numbers in the Goal column, that Grabo will follow suit.

Also, I think he needs a new stick, or glasses...he has proven to have a pretty accurate shot in the past, but this year is firing way off target. Even worse than No. 3....not sure if you can get much worse than that.
- vermie22

the good thing is; not everyone is on fire at once. save that for the playoffs

guys will go hot and cold, cold and hot...it always happens, every season.

i just dont see any point in discussing moving one of our best assets because the line is slumping! before lupul got hurt, JVR and Gbov were a dynamic duo, and id expect that to be the 2nd line when he returns...but ya never know.

Kadri is not ready for first line duty... his face off skills are still weak... his defensive zone coverage is getting better but still needs some seasoning... and he still makes errant passes entering the zone that end up losing possession too quickly.

#rd line is perfect at the moment.

Bozak wins a ton of face-offs and works hard... is on pace to have a decent season.. and you want to sell the farm to get ROR whose best season was a 50 pointer... come on...

- DoctorNHL

saying something like this about a 21 year old player with 3 full NHL season under his belt makes you sound like one of those leaf fans without a clue. If he was a leafs player you would be up his butt

I think if you can get ROR for a reasonable price thats a very good move. If not, move on. like I mentioned earlier, if we could keep Rielly, Gardiner, Kadri and our 1sts and get him somehow, great..if not... try for some FA's

Boston's been on vacation
- Feeling Glucky?

True Hab story:

Many years ago I was invited to play in a summer league called The Golden Horseshoe League. Referral only and as a prospective player you were ranked from 1 - 10 by the referring veteran. I was drafted by the Northstars. We played 3 preseason games - I thought to get familiar with your team. The calibre and speed of the hockey was excellent - all keeners playing. I centered two young guys and we killed it - scored like crazy and smoked the 3 teams we played. I thought this was going to be a great summer. Then I got a call from the convener before the first regular game - I was traded - TO THE HABS! I could barely put on the jersey. I proceeded to have the worst offensive season of my hockey career. I scored one goal all summer - a shot from the point off my shin pad. Worst hockey season I had ever experienced.

Effin Habs.

Wieh I could turn my powers towards good.

Kadri definitely wont get injured this year.
- sanfordnson

YOU SUCK!!!

I think some people are mistaking wins for having played well. imo the Leafs didn't play well against Ottawa or Florida - it just happens that those teams are poopy. Not saying they are awful and/or that it needs to be blown up - but there is definitely some room for some changes.
- BlowMonkey

Yeah that's why the system that Carlyle is preaching is so important. Were not really a good team at all, we have some good pieces in place but we can't play run and gun Wilson hockey like we did last year cause eventually were going to get lit up.

When the system is played right, it's basically New Jersey Devils hockey. They never have the greatest team either but they win hockey games or at least get OT points. Even when were not playing well, we can still grind it out, get some saves and steal a win. And as Carlyle said last night too, that game was there to steal in the 3rd we just didn't get the saves this time around.

I like the way this team is going. Were as injured as anyone in the conference. Everyone was ready to throw the season in the garbage in the 3rd game when we lost Lupul but were trucking along. Theres gonna be good and bad games but win the ones that you're supposed to like you said (Ottawa,Florida) and stay in the race til the end and with a couple bounces our way, we should be able to get in this year.

You just can't afford to have losing streaks this year. No more than 3 or you're basically driving to the golf course instead of the arena. 6 wins in our last 8 and were 7 points ahead of Buffalo with a chance to bury them tomorrow

the good thing is; not everyone is on fire at once. save that for the playoffs

guys will go hot and cold, cold and hot...it always happens, every season.

i just dont see any point in discussing moving one of our best assets because the line is slumping! before lupul got hurt, JVR and Gbov were a dynamic duo, and id expect that to be the 2nd line when he returns...but ya never know.
- big_dion

I think so too. With Komarov moving back down, or maybe putting JVR with Kadri and Frattin and giving them "2nd line minutes" or basically having a 2a and 2b line format. Then most likely trade MacArthur for a pick or two

I have to assume you're misquoting them. Dreger said a roster player and a top prospect was the asking price. There was a rumour they wanted Del Zotto out of the Gers'.

Sherman's not stupid ...he knows J. Staal (a similar but much more accomplished player) just went for Sutter and a high pick (Pouliot) so if he is going to move him it'll be for something less than that.
- The Law

You assume a lot.. the price will always be high to start.. that is what negotiation is called.. and it wasn't Dreger... although Del zotto was one of the players mentioned... don't remember the rest because it it was ludicrous.

After that airing I then heard Roster player, Prospect, 1st Rounder.. so the price has already come down... but I wouldn't trade any of our prospects or any high draft pick for ROR period.

Condensed schedule my ass.
- Pecafan Fan

they've had a pretty easy schedule thus far.

Hopefully when it picks up, they'll crumble

Great points.... a couple of bad games and everyone wants to sell the farm...
- DoctorNHL

That's why I stopped visiting after losses. They are entitled to a bad game here and there, the issue is when it becomes 3 to 4 bad games in a row. I rather talk about the two 4M plus d-men in the pressbox, and the 4M man in the minors and if there are any teams that can use them.

I really want to see our team without injuries.


JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Komarov-Grabo-Kulemin
Lupul-Kadri-Frattin
Maclaren-McClement-Orr
Brown/MacArthur

2 pretty damned good scoring lines between Bozak's and Kadri's.

You assume a lot.. the price will always be high to start.. that is what negotiation is called.. and it wasn't Dreger... although Del zotto was one of the players mentioned... don't remember the rest because it it was ludicrous.

After that airing I then heard Roster player, Prospect, 1st Rounder.. so the price has already come down... but I wouldn't trade any of our prospects or any high draft pick for ROR period.
- DoctorNHL

Fair enough.