The "eat some of their salary" provision makes moving them a little easier. But I don't think the return is anything you can convert into RoR.
- The Law

If the Leafs need to eat a million here or there, they can afford it, especially when they buyout Komisarek next year. The Avalanche could use Liles. Familiar face, veteran and helps them where they need it most; on defense.

The "eat some of their salary" provision makes moving them a little easier. But I don't think the return is anything you can convert into RoR.
- The Law

Why would we want 2-5 million in cap space tied up in players not on or roster for the next 4 years

What about Kostka? Fraser?

I assume Fraser is waiver exempt, but he's earned his keep. Kostka I'm not sure about.
- Leeman4Gilmour

The only guy that should be sent down is holzer. Kostka and Fraser have been playing pretty decent.

If the Leafs need to eat a million here or there, they can afford it, especially when they buyout Komisarek next year. The Avalanche could use Liles. Familiar face, veteran and helps them where they need it most; on defense.
- Two_For_Truth

I will ask again why would they pay liles 4 million if they will not pay O'Reilly 4.5 million

I can see moving him because he is the only option, but I disagree he is the problem, he skates well for his size, uses his size and is only a minus 2 this year despite his first two games being disastrous and having 2 goals against last night as a result of unlucky bounces of skates
- jribout

Check alot of the goals that have been scored on the leafs despite if the leafs win or not, you will see his number and name always. Yesterday was a prime example of 3 of the goals.. I know phaneuf just sucks yes we ALL agree he sucks defensively but Carlyle should get a clue and realize the only pairing that can bail out phaneuf, is Gunner. And all of you know that because of last year and how good they played together. And benching liles makes no sense..


Edit: and on another note only guys that are new and that have been playing really good is kostka and fraser.

I will ask again why would they pay liles 4 million if they will not pay O'Reilly 4.5 million
- jribout

3.8*

3.8*
- Mapleleafs_91

If were going to be idiots about this 3.875 which rounds up to 3.9* big diffence I know..... and for 4 more years....

The only guy that should be sent down is holzer. Kostka and Fraser have been playing pretty decent.
- Mapleleafs_91

It's too bad you'd lose Kostka to waivers because he seems like the most natural man to replace with Gardiner.

Holzer had a rough game yesterday, so I assume that means Gardiner gets his shot. With only 3 more games of waiver eligibility, Gardiner is basically here to stay (credit to LeafMan for the reference).

If were going to be idiots about this 3.875 which rounds up to 3.9* big diffence I know..... and for 4 more years....
- jribout

Both are past waiver exemption. Fraser had almost 100 NHL games before he came to the Leafs.
- burn

Why did Kostka lose his exemption? Does age factor in?

It's too bad you'd lose Kostka to waivers because he seems like the most natural man to replace with Gardiner.

Holzer had a rough game yesterday, so I assume that means Gardiner gets his shot. With only 3 more games of waiver eligibility, Gardiner is basically here to stay (credit to LeafMan for the reference).
- Leeman4Gilmour

Why not pair up kostka and gardiner as they were in the minors?

Gunner Phaneuf

Gardiner kostka

Fraser franson

Why not pair up kostka and gardiner as they were in the minors?

Gunner Phaneuf

Gardiner kostka

Fraser franson
- Mapleleafs_91

I will ask again why would they pay liles 4 million if they will not pay O'Reilly 4.5 million
- jribout

Because Liles fills a need they have on defense and because Liles is more proven than O'Reilly. The problem the Avalanche have with giving O'Reilly that contract is because it's only his second contract, they are expecting to keep him for the same money they have Duchene signed for which is 3.5 million. You also forget that the Leafs can hold 1 million dollars of Liles salary meaning the Avalanche would pay him 2.875 (not 4 million like you say) and the cap hit could stay the same which they need to reach the cap floor anyway.

I know he doesn't have an NHL contract anyway, but is Ranger still playing well and logging big minutes with the Marlies?

Why not pair up kostka and gardiner as they were in the minors?

Gunner Phaneuf

Gardiner kostka

Fraser franson
- Mapleleafs_91

Gardiner stays in the AHL..

I know he doesn't have an NHL contract anyway, but is Ranger still playing well and logging big minutes with the Marlies?
- fifty__missions

Too many ahl guys

Because Liles fills a need they have on defense and because Liles is more proven than O'Reilly. The problem the Avalanche have with giving O'Reilly that contract is because it's only his second contract, they are expecting to keep him for the same money they have Duchene signed for which is 3.5 million. You also forget that the Leafs can hold 1 million dollars of Liles salary meaning the Avalanche would pay him 2.875 (not 4 million like you say) and the cap hit could stay the same which they need to reach the cap floor anyway.
- Two_For_Truth

Your Liles for RoR idea is almost location worthy...

Because Liles fills a need they have on defense and because Liles is more proven than O'Reilly. The problem the Avalanche have with giving O'Reilly that contract is because it's only his second contract, they are expecting to keep him for the same money they have Duchene signed for which is 3.5 million. You also forget that the Leafs can hold 1 million dollars of Liles salary meaning the Avalanche would pay him 2.875 (not 4 million like you say) and the cap hit could stay the same which they need to reach the cap floor anyway.
- Two_For_Truth

So now in effect we are paying an extra 1million a year for the next 4 years to get O'reilly and paying him 5 million more....
So 6 million a year for O'reilly.... yeah no thanks

Gardiner stays in the AHL..
- Fruitcakenipple

Until we trade someone

Everybody run in circles

Because Liles fills a need they have on defense and because Liles is more proven than O'Reilly. The problem the Avalanche have with giving O'Reilly that contract is because it's only his second contract, they are expecting to keep him for the same money they have Duchene signed for which is 3.5 million. You also forget that the Leafs can hold 1 million dollars of Liles salary meaning the Avalanche would pay him 2.875 (not 4 million like you say) and the cap hit could stay the same which they need to reach the cap floor anyway.
- Two_For_Truth

I like Liles, but why is he sitting right now? Why would Colorado not ask for any of our other defensemen -Phaneuf who are making half the money..... and actually playing

Freaky you can come out now... its 2-2 after a horrible start and L. Schen is plus 1

Everybody run in circles
- AdamFrench

Circles!!

Freaky you can come out now... its 2-2 after a horrible start and L. Schen is 2-0
- jribout

Freaky only comes when you rub him the right way.

Until we trade someone
- jribout

That might not happen until this summer...