Personally, I think it starts with Gardiner, from there I don't have a clue what the other pieces would be.
- LeafMan

I agree. First team to put a good young PMD on the table gets a deal done.

The Av's will do better than Liles, + for RoR. Somebody will put a good young PMD on the table.
- The Law

Maybe a team that has a surplus. And that's why people expect the Leafs to do it.

Gardiner and Bozak for RoR.

RoR Kadri, Grabo down the middle
- faceto27

If we do trade for RoR, you can afford to give up two of Bozak, Grabbo and Colborne - and not even have to worry about it.

Gardiner + two from list above?

Reading comprehension let me repeat what I said exactly: You said it would take "A" Kadri, Gardiner, Riley and a first rounder.

You can keep the crack.. not interested... maybe you can sell some more to Two for the Truth tho... because he couldn't read it right either.

- DoctorNHL

not that it matters at this point, I initially read your post and though you meant "a" package like Kadri, Gardiner, Riley and a first rounder. Generally people use "/" to mean "or". A comma reads like "and"

Kadri stays.

If for no other reason than he is the first Leafs draft pick that has been developed properly since...well, since ever.
- Atomic Wedgie

Damphouse maybe? Sittler and Lanny before that?

I'd say Wendel, but letting him fight all the time kind've ruined what was surely a future 40-50 goal scorer. That and even back then the Leafs refused to play Wendel with their most talented centres: Olcyk, Damphouse, and even Gilmour....until playoff time

prefer to keep Bozak, try and unload Grabs
- bobbyisno1

Me too, but no way would they take Grabo at 5.5 million.

Maybe a team that has a surplus. And that's why people expect the Leafs to do it.
- Two_For_Truth

I can't believe YOU just said that.

If we do trade for RoR, you can afford to give up two of Bozak, Grabbo and Colborne - and not even have to worry about it.

Gardiner + two from list above?
- Atomic Wedgie

Works for me

As a Leaf fan this reminds me of a Burt Bacharach song.

Blue on blue,
Heartache on heartache.
- Your_Mom

Brilliant

I can't believe YOU just said that.
- mykokes

With Gardiner, Rielly, Finn and Blacker in the system, all puck movers, one can be traded to shore up another position this team is in such a big demand for, Rielly is the only untouchable for me.

edit: Now if we draft that centre, different story, I don't want to trade the above but if it the only choice to grab a front line centre, you have to bite the bullet.

Maybe a team that has a surplus. And that's why people expect the Leafs to do it.
- Two_For_Truth

It does make sense. Reilly in the cupboard and the current defense playing well ....Gardiner is atleast more moveable then this time last year.

If I'm Nonis and the Avs are asking for Gardiner I'd make some quick calls around the league to see if any other C options might be available. I wonder what it would take to pry Strome out of the Island.

Also, has Ryan Johansen lost it? Or is that just a function of being a BJacket?

I can't believe YOU just said that.
- mykokes

Some people see the Leafs as having a surplus because they have Rielly and Gardiner. The Leafs have a surplus of NHL defenders. Beyond that, it's unknown if they have a surplus of offensive defenders capable of playing in the NHL because Gardiner has played one year and Rielly has played none. They have two offensive defender prospects. Some people see that as a surplus. Those are the people who trying to justify trading Gardiner for O'Reilly.

Some people see the Leafs as having a surplus because they have Rielly and Gardiner. The Leafs have a surplus of NHL defenders. Beyond that, it's unknown if they have a surplus of offensive defenders capable of playing in the NHL because Gardiner has played one year and Rielly has played none. They have two offensive defender prospects. Some people see that as a surplus. Those are the people who trying to justify trading Gardiner for O'Reilly.
- Two_For_Truth

Ah ok, that sounds more like you.

Kadri stays.

If for no other reason than he is the first Leafs draft pick that has been developed properly since...well, since ever.
- Atomic Wedgie

With Gardiner, Rielly, Finn and Blacker in the system, all puck movers, one can be traded to shore up another position this team is in such a big demand for, Rielly is the only untouchable for me.
- LeafMan

See my next post

It does make sense. Reilly in the cupboard and the current defense playing well ....Gardiner is atleast more moveable then this time last year.

If I'm Nonis and the Avs are asking for Gardiner I'd make some quick calls around the league to see if any other C options might be available. I wonder what it would take to pry Strome out of the Island.

Also, has Ryan Johansen lost it? Or is that just a function of being a BJacket?
- The Law

20 year old, big centre....no, hasn't lost it. Just not stepping into the NHL and producing like a superstar. Give it 2 to 3 more seasons.....See Ryan Getzlaf.

Me too, but no way would they take Grabo at 5.5 million.
- faceto27

then offer a second and a prospect with Gardiner
i think Gardiner and a second is plenty

Damphouse maybe? Sittler and Lanny before that?

I'd say Wendel, but letting him fight all the time kind've ruined what was surely a future 40-50 goal scorer. That and even back then the Leafs refused to play Wendel with their most talented centres: Olcyk, Damphouse, and even Gilmour....until playoff time
- mykokes

I was really just going for cheap laughs.

How about Matt Frattin? They let him develop in the NCAAs - which most NHL clubs - especially the old school ones - frown upon.

After that, what a poop show.

How about the 1999 draft? Nine players selected - for a total of 3 career NHL games.

Some people see the Leafs as having a surplus because they have Rielly and Gardiner. The Leafs have a surplus of NHL defenders. Beyond that, it's unknown if they have a surplus of offensive defenders capable of playing in the NHL because Gardiner has played one year and Rielly has played none. They have two offensive defender prospects. Some people see that as a surplus. Those are the people who trying to justify trading Gardiner for O'Reilly.
- Two_For_Truth

I cringe when I read people say, we can trade Gardiner because we have Rielly, the fact is we dont know what we have, thats like saying we can trade Rask because we have pogge. The same when people wanted to include Kadri or Frattin in the luongo trade discussion. I dont know who is going to be better, and I am not sure I trust the leafs to decide who is better and trade the lesser one at this point. They have made the wrong choice too many times

There is no way in hell he's anywhere near Doug Gilmour. That's not even a logical discussion. O'Reilly is a 2nd line center. Offensively, he just don't have the creativity or the talent to be more than that.

As for the price, I was talking about Liles.
- Two_For_Truth

Liles Salary is close to 4 million (3.875) I don't think Colorado wants that the dougie thing was a joke based on a post yesterday

Some people see the Leafs as having a surplus because they have Rielly and Gardiner. The Leafs have a surplus of NHL defenders. Beyond that, it's unknown if they have a surplus of offensive defenders capable of playing in the NHL because Gardiner has played one year and Rielly has played none. They have two offensive defender prospects. Some people see that as a surplus. Those are the people who trying to justify trading Gardiner for O'Reilly.
- Two_For_Truth

Doesn't that make an even stronger case for moving Gardiner for ROR?

We know ROR can play in the NHL.

Different era, though.

50 points back then wasn't the same as 50 points today.
- Atomic Wedgie

Today's O'Reilly will never equal a Gilmour EVER...

Doesn't that make an even stronger case for moving Gardiner for ROR?

We know ROR can play in the NHL.
- Atomic Wedgie

We knew Raycroft could play in the NHL...

I was really just going for cheap laughs.

How about Matt Frattin? They let him develop in the NCAAs - which most NHL clubs - especially the old school ones - frown upon.

After that, what a poop show.

How about the 1999 draft? Nine players selected - for a total of 3 career NHL games.
- Atomic Wedgie

In their defense, that was like the worst draft ever. But havlat going two picks after Cereda hurts, Ryan Malone in the 4th round hurts....other than that...pure poopshow draft

I cringe when I read people say, we can trade Gardiner because we have Rielly, the fact is we dont know what we have, thats like saying we can trade Rask because we have pogge. The same when people wanted to include Kadri or Frattin in the luongo trade discussion. I dont know who is going to be better, and I am not sure I trust the leafs to decide who is better and trade the lesser one at this point. They have made the wrong choice too many times
- senstroll

That is homerism for you Pogge never looked anywhere near the Goalie Rask was... but have to keep the good ole Canadian boy...

I remember Pogge played for a stacked Canadian Jr team .. and Rask was playing for a sh*t poor Finnish team and looked awesome..


I am with you trade none of our future for a maybe...